Guns: A guy came to Obama's townhall meeting with a gun that wasn't concealed.
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Blather on all you like in this forum. I have given it to you and the other denizens who liked to go on and on and on and on about US politics, and I also feel that I am trying to be as fair as possible given that this is - first and foremost and only - a programming site. But please do me a favour and keep it out of the Lounge.
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Josh Gray wrote:
And you lot wonder why the rest of us laugh
Care to explain yourself? That guy is pretty straightforward. I think you laugh because you are so enslaved that you feel that the government (your owner and master) has total power over you, so when you see that people actually stand up to tyranny, you think of it like a mouse standing up to a lion. I think that is very sad for you to think of yourselves as such small helpless creatures.
What a berk, how many presidents have been shot? if everyone was armed how do you protect anybody? how is a gun defensive? its an offensive weapon by definition, the treat of a gun is only effective against someone who cares, if the gun was an effective deteriant then you would not have had s president killed as every single one (except maybe lincon!) had armed guards. oh and how if a country that if so safe because of it right to arm bears has had so many presidents shot? gainst how many in the UK and these other slave countries? and exactly how did he stand up to anything? he wore a gun to an event! an event where the use of a gun would be extreamly dangerous in the hands of an unknown quantity, an event in which there were already a lot of heavly armed and nervous people, and in a state were the carrying of said gun was allowed, so whilst doing nothing for the "cause", he actual made the situation more dangerous so showing an exteam lack of judgement. if anything this stunt has forwarded the cause for the baning of guns as it has shown that it allows the guns to be in the hands of people with a distinct lack of judgement.
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This patriot is a great guy. I revel in the fact that the whipped little slaves in England and Australia get trumped and stamped with a boot in the face. I can hear the whips and the little Christain Graus's and Richard's screaming "I bow to you my great authority, I beg of you the great privilage of licking your boots. Let me give you my check for some more whippings."[^]
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What a berk, how many presidents have been shot? if everyone was armed how do you protect anybody? how is a gun defensive? its an offensive weapon by definition, the treat of a gun is only effective against someone who cares, if the gun was an effective deteriant then you would not have had s president killed as every single one (except maybe lincon!) had armed guards. oh and how if a country that if so safe because of it right to arm bears has had so many presidents shot? gainst how many in the UK and these other slave countries? and exactly how did he stand up to anything? he wore a gun to an event! an event where the use of a gun would be extreamly dangerous in the hands of an unknown quantity, an event in which there were already a lot of heavly armed and nervous people, and in a state were the carrying of said gun was allowed, so whilst doing nothing for the "cause", he actual made the situation more dangerous so showing an exteam lack of judgement. if anything this stunt has forwarded the cause for the baning of guns as it has shown that it allows the guns to be in the hands of people with a distinct lack of judgement.
Alex hogarth wrote:
how is a gun defensive? its an offensive weapon by definition,
I believe you're thinking in the wrong terms here. A gun is simply a tool. Offence and Defense are actions. If you are using a gun or any weapon in reaction to a threat you are acting defensively. If you are using it to cause a threat or danger to others where none previously existed you are acting offensively. This is true weather the tool your using is a gun, a knife, or a stick.
Alex hogarth wrote:
if anything this stunt has forwarded the cause for the baning of guns as it has shown that it allows the guns to be in the hands of people with a distinct lack of judgement.
I would argue the opposite. This is an example of a responsible gun owner NOT shooting anybody. This guy appears to have used his judgment to remain in safe control of his weapon. The funny thing is you seem to be looking at this as if this one man was the only one carrying a gun at that protest. There are a huge number of people in the US licensed to carry concealed weapons. It wouldn't surprise me a bit if 10% of that crowd was armed.
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Alex hogarth wrote:
how is a gun defensive? its an offensive weapon by definition,
I believe you're thinking in the wrong terms here. A gun is simply a tool. Offence and Defense are actions. If you are using a gun or any weapon in reaction to a threat you are acting defensively. If you are using it to cause a threat or danger to others where none previously existed you are acting offensively. This is true weather the tool your using is a gun, a knife, or a stick.
Alex hogarth wrote:
if anything this stunt has forwarded the cause for the baning of guns as it has shown that it allows the guns to be in the hands of people with a distinct lack of judgement.
I would argue the opposite. This is an example of a responsible gun owner NOT shooting anybody. This guy appears to have used his judgment to remain in safe control of his weapon. The funny thing is you seem to be looking at this as if this one man was the only one carrying a gun at that protest. There are a huge number of people in the US licensed to carry concealed weapons. It wouldn't surprise me a bit if 10% of that crowd was armed.
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A gun is not a tool, its a weapon and to call it a tool is a method of trying to make it sound less dangerous than it is, a gun is a device designed for the sole purpose of killing something, it may have other uses - target shooting - a hammer! but thats not its design purpose. the idea thats its defensive is also wrong, its only defensive because an offense can be an effective defense, without an offensive act (the use of or threat to use) a gun is pretty useless unless by a fluke the attack bounces off said gun. No I would say just taking a gun to that kind of event, wether concealed or otherwise shows a lack of judgement. what conceivable situation would arise at that event that would need you to carry a gun? in fact I would say that having a gun at that event would make you more liable to be shot, as, if an attack had happened against the president the SS would imediately target anybody with a gun, you are then relying on the SS making a snap judgment that you are not a threat - big odds
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A gun is not a tool, its a weapon and to call it a tool is a method of trying to make it sound less dangerous than it is, a gun is a device designed for the sole purpose of killing something, it may have other uses - target shooting - a hammer! but thats not its design purpose. the idea thats its defensive is also wrong, its only defensive because an offense can be an effective defense, without an offensive act (the use of or threat to use) a gun is pretty useless unless by a fluke the attack bounces off said gun. No I would say just taking a gun to that kind of event, wether concealed or otherwise shows a lack of judgement. what conceivable situation would arise at that event that would need you to carry a gun? in fact I would say that having a gun at that event would make you more liable to be shot, as, if an attack had happened against the president the SS would imediately target anybody with a gun, you are then relying on the SS making a snap judgment that you are not a threat - big odds
Alex hogarth wrote:
A gun is not a tool
Yes it is. Hell before a bunch of permitting non-sense you could buy them at hardware stores.
Alex hogarth wrote:
its a weapon
Anything can be a weapon. Weather it's a rock, a gun, or a frighteningly large dildo.
Alex hogarth wrote:
the idea thats its defensive is also wrong
Are you high? If somebody tries to attack me I can shoot them to defend myself. TaaDAA defensive use.
Alex hogarth wrote:
a gun is a device designed for the sole purpose of killing something
Right. Just like the sole purpose of a computer is to steal identities and download child porn. Just like cars can only be used for drunk driving. The sole purpose of a gun is to accelerate a lead/mettle pellet. PEOPLE are the ones who determine if this is used to kill or ventilate pop cans. Just like with a hammer I can choose to put a nail in a board or bash in a persons head.
Alex hogarth wrote:
what conceivable situation would arise at that event that would need you to carry a gun?
I don't know. Not knowing is exactly the reason to be prepared. You know boy-scout motto and all that.
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This patriot is a great guy. I revel in the fact that the whipped little slaves in England and Australia get trumped and stamped with a boot in the face. I can hear the whips and the little Christain Graus's and Richard's screaming "I bow to you my great authority, I beg of you the great privilage of licking your boots. Let me give you my check for some more whippings."[^]
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
I beg of you the great privilage of licking your boots.
We may not have guns, but we DO have education. Education doesn't result in more school shootings, random killings, etc. So, we win. We also get to laugh at morons like you.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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A gun is not a tool, its a weapon and to call it a tool is a method of trying to make it sound less dangerous than it is, a gun is a device designed for the sole purpose of killing something, it may have other uses - target shooting - a hammer! but thats not its design purpose. the idea thats its defensive is also wrong, its only defensive because an offense can be an effective defense, without an offensive act (the use of or threat to use) a gun is pretty useless unless by a fluke the attack bounces off said gun. No I would say just taking a gun to that kind of event, wether concealed or otherwise shows a lack of judgement. what conceivable situation would arise at that event that would need you to carry a gun? in fact I would say that having a gun at that event would make you more liable to be shot, as, if an attack had happened against the president the SS would imediately target anybody with a gun, you are then relying on the SS making a snap judgment that you are not a threat - big odds
Alex hogarth wrote:
A gun is not a tool,
But the person who thinks that a gun makes them safe, or free, or makes their dick bigger, is usually a tool.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Care to explain yourself? That guy is pretty straightforward. I think you laugh because you are so enslaved that you feel that the government (your owner and master) has total power over you, so when you see that people actually stand up to tyranny, you think of it like a mouse standing up to a lion. I think that is very sad for you to think of yourselves as such small helpless creatures.
You're probably right
I wish I was as fortunate as fortunate as me
ROTFL !!! I mean, is it worth saying any more than this ? Probably not.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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Alex hogarth wrote:
A gun is not a tool
Yes it is. Hell before a bunch of permitting non-sense you could buy them at hardware stores.
Alex hogarth wrote:
its a weapon
Anything can be a weapon. Weather it's a rock, a gun, or a frighteningly large dildo.
Alex hogarth wrote:
the idea thats its defensive is also wrong
Are you high? If somebody tries to attack me I can shoot them to defend myself. TaaDAA defensive use.
Alex hogarth wrote:
a gun is a device designed for the sole purpose of killing something
Right. Just like the sole purpose of a computer is to steal identities and download child porn. Just like cars can only be used for drunk driving. The sole purpose of a gun is to accelerate a lead/mettle pellet. PEOPLE are the ones who determine if this is used to kill or ventilate pop cans. Just like with a hammer I can choose to put a nail in a board or bash in a persons head.
Alex hogarth wrote:
what conceivable situation would arise at that event that would need you to carry a gun?
I don't know. Not knowing is exactly the reason to be prepared. You know boy-scout motto and all that.
thrakazog wrote:
Hell before a bunch of permitting non-sense you could buy them at hardware stores.
I can buy plants and candy at hardware stores. So ?
thrakazog wrote:
Anything can be a weapon. Weather it's a rock, a gun, or a frighteningly large dildo.
Would you rather have the rock or the gun ? This is also a pile of crap.
thrakazog wrote:
If somebody tries to attack me I can shoot them to defend myself.
And trying to do so, greatly increases your own odds of death. I'd rather live in a country where I CAN defend myself with a rock, because even crooks tend to not have guns.
thrakazog wrote:
Just like the sole purpose of a computer is to steal identities and download child porn. Just like cars can only be used for drunk driving.
It appears that you are quite stupid. What other purpose does a gun have, than shooting things ?
thrakazog wrote:
PEOPLE are the ones who determine if this is used to kill or ventilate pop cans. Just like with a hammer I can choose to put a nail in a board or bash in a persons head.
I don't get how anyone can be so deliberatly obtuse and ignorant.
thrakazog wrote:
I don't know. Not knowing is exactly the reason to be prepared.
I am so glad I don't share a country with people who think like this.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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Alex hogarth wrote:
A gun is not a tool,
But the person who thinks that a gun makes them safe, or free, or makes their dick bigger, is usually a tool.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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thrakazog wrote:
Hell before a bunch of permitting non-sense you could buy them at hardware stores.
I can buy plants and candy at hardware stores. So ?
thrakazog wrote:
Anything can be a weapon. Weather it's a rock, a gun, or a frighteningly large dildo.
Would you rather have the rock or the gun ? This is also a pile of crap.
thrakazog wrote:
If somebody tries to attack me I can shoot them to defend myself.
And trying to do so, greatly increases your own odds of death. I'd rather live in a country where I CAN defend myself with a rock, because even crooks tend to not have guns.
thrakazog wrote:
Just like the sole purpose of a computer is to steal identities and download child porn. Just like cars can only be used for drunk driving.
It appears that you are quite stupid. What other purpose does a gun have, than shooting things ?
thrakazog wrote:
PEOPLE are the ones who determine if this is used to kill or ventilate pop cans. Just like with a hammer I can choose to put a nail in a board or bash in a persons head.
I don't get how anyone can be so deliberatly obtuse and ignorant.
thrakazog wrote:
I don't know. Not knowing is exactly the reason to be prepared.
I am so glad I don't share a country with people who think like this.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Christian Graus wrote:
I don't get how anyone can be so deliberatly obtuse and ignorant.
I've owned guns and been around them all my life. My family owns guns, all my friend own guns. None of us have ever killed anybody with them. And thankfully none of us have ever had to use them for self defense. We either hunt or shoot targets with them. So the over generalization that guns only serve to kill people is absurd to me. For me guns are tools. How you choose to use them determines if they are a danger or not.
Christian Graus wrote:
What other purpose does a gun have, than shooting things ?
None, my point was that the previous poster was stating that their sole purpose was killing. This simply isn't true. Shooting != Killing.
Christian Graus wrote:
It appears that you are quite stupid
That's right big boy. Hurl your insults from the other side of the world. Don't bother trying to learn anything. Or *GASP* see something from a different point of view. The entire world is just exactly as you say it is.
Christian Graus wrote:
I am so glad I don't share a country with people who think like this.
Yes i can clearly see where people who plan ahead would pose a big threat to you. Meh. I'm done with this.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
I beg of you the great privilage of licking your boots.
We may not have guns, but we DO have education. Education doesn't result in more school shootings, random killings, etc. So, we win. We also get to laugh at morons like you.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Christian Graus wrote:
We may not have guns, but we DO have education.
So you are implying that people who own guns are uneducated? It sounds like that you are saying that education is some type of political indoctrination that you are proud of. We have many exceptionally intelligent highly educated individuals who advocate the right to bear arms. I would argue that they are more educated than people who claim that guns are bad.
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Just out of curiosity Christian, how do people in Australia defend themselves? Mace? Tazers? Ninjutsu? Are more classes in self defense or martial arts being taught?
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thrakazog wrote:
how do people in Australia defend themselves?
Defend themselves from what?
I wish I was as fortunate as fortunate as me
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Josh Gray wrote:
Defend themselves from what?
Muggers, home intruders, that sort of thing.
thrakazog wrote:
Muggers, home intruders, that sort of thing.
I had a 7 iron under our bed for a while but I never put it back after I last played golf. Never really felt the need to be armed and I'm pretty happy about that.
I wish I was as fortunate as fortunate as me
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This patriot is a great guy. I revel in the fact that the whipped little slaves in England and Australia get trumped and stamped with a boot in the face. I can hear the whips and the little Christain Graus's and Richard's screaming "I bow to you my great authority, I beg of you the great privilage of licking your boots. Let me give you my check for some more whippings."[^]
I thought it was some kind of comedy sketch at first with that weird looking presenter:confused:
If everything was not true, would it be not true that everything is not true? So by saying everything is not true, you are automatically denying that everything is not true. Im so confused... FreeDOS - An open source modern MS-DOS/PC-DOS replacement.
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I thought it was some kind of comedy sketch at first with that weird looking presenter:confused:
If everything was not true, would it be not true that everything is not true? So by saying everything is not true, you are automatically denying that everything is not true. Im so confused... FreeDOS - An open source modern MS-DOS/PC-DOS replacement.
Lloyd Atkinson©☺ wrote:
I thought it was some kind of comedy sketch at first with that weird looking presenterConfused
No, nothing is real and real is nothing.
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Just out of curiosity Christian, how do people in Australia defend themselves? Mace? Tazers? Ninjutsu? Are more classes in self defense or martial arts being taught?
When the guy coming in is not going to be carrying more than a knife, the block buster or a good piece of timber is all you would need. This is the difference between guns and a contact weapon - a guy with a gun shoots you and it ends. A guy with a knife has to swing at you, and you can better fight back. He's more likely to just run.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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Christian Graus wrote:
We may not have guns, but we DO have education.
So you are implying that people who own guns are uneducated? It sounds like that you are saying that education is some type of political indoctrination that you are proud of. We have many exceptionally intelligent highly educated individuals who advocate the right to bear arms. I would argue that they are more educated than people who claim that guns are bad.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
So you are implying that people who own guns are uneducated?
I was pointing out your horrendous spelling.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
It sounds like that you are saying that education is some type of political indoctrination that you are proud of.
You're just too dumb to know that your spelling was and is atrocious.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.