Guns: A guy came to Obama's townhall meeting with a gun that wasn't concealed.
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Alex hogarth wrote:
A gun is not a tool
Yes it is. Hell before a bunch of permitting non-sense you could buy them at hardware stores.
Alex hogarth wrote:
its a weapon
Anything can be a weapon. Weather it's a rock, a gun, or a frighteningly large dildo.
Alex hogarth wrote:
the idea thats its defensive is also wrong
Are you high? If somebody tries to attack me I can shoot them to defend myself. TaaDAA defensive use.
Alex hogarth wrote:
a gun is a device designed for the sole purpose of killing something
Right. Just like the sole purpose of a computer is to steal identities and download child porn. Just like cars can only be used for drunk driving. The sole purpose of a gun is to accelerate a lead/mettle pellet. PEOPLE are the ones who determine if this is used to kill or ventilate pop cans. Just like with a hammer I can choose to put a nail in a board or bash in a persons head.
Alex hogarth wrote:
what conceivable situation would arise at that event that would need you to carry a gun?
I don't know. Not knowing is exactly the reason to be prepared. You know boy-scout motto and all that.
thrakazog wrote:
Hell before a bunch of permitting non-sense you could buy them at hardware stores.
I can buy plants and candy at hardware stores. So ?
thrakazog wrote:
Anything can be a weapon. Weather it's a rock, a gun, or a frighteningly large dildo.
Would you rather have the rock or the gun ? This is also a pile of crap.
thrakazog wrote:
If somebody tries to attack me I can shoot them to defend myself.
And trying to do so, greatly increases your own odds of death. I'd rather live in a country where I CAN defend myself with a rock, because even crooks tend to not have guns.
thrakazog wrote:
Just like the sole purpose of a computer is to steal identities and download child porn. Just like cars can only be used for drunk driving.
It appears that you are quite stupid. What other purpose does a gun have, than shooting things ?
thrakazog wrote:
PEOPLE are the ones who determine if this is used to kill or ventilate pop cans. Just like with a hammer I can choose to put a nail in a board or bash in a persons head.
I don't get how anyone can be so deliberatly obtuse and ignorant.
thrakazog wrote:
I don't know. Not knowing is exactly the reason to be prepared.
I am so glad I don't share a country with people who think like this.
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Alex hogarth wrote:
A gun is not a tool,
But the person who thinks that a gun makes them safe, or free, or makes their dick bigger, is usually a tool.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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thrakazog wrote:
Hell before a bunch of permitting non-sense you could buy them at hardware stores.
I can buy plants and candy at hardware stores. So ?
thrakazog wrote:
Anything can be a weapon. Weather it's a rock, a gun, or a frighteningly large dildo.
Would you rather have the rock or the gun ? This is also a pile of crap.
thrakazog wrote:
If somebody tries to attack me I can shoot them to defend myself.
And trying to do so, greatly increases your own odds of death. I'd rather live in a country where I CAN defend myself with a rock, because even crooks tend to not have guns.
thrakazog wrote:
Just like the sole purpose of a computer is to steal identities and download child porn. Just like cars can only be used for drunk driving.
It appears that you are quite stupid. What other purpose does a gun have, than shooting things ?
thrakazog wrote:
PEOPLE are the ones who determine if this is used to kill or ventilate pop cans. Just like with a hammer I can choose to put a nail in a board or bash in a persons head.
I don't get how anyone can be so deliberatly obtuse and ignorant.
thrakazog wrote:
I don't know. Not knowing is exactly the reason to be prepared.
I am so glad I don't share a country with people who think like this.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Christian Graus wrote:
I don't get how anyone can be so deliberatly obtuse and ignorant.
I've owned guns and been around them all my life. My family owns guns, all my friend own guns. None of us have ever killed anybody with them. And thankfully none of us have ever had to use them for self defense. We either hunt or shoot targets with them. So the over generalization that guns only serve to kill people is absurd to me. For me guns are tools. How you choose to use them determines if they are a danger or not.
Christian Graus wrote:
What other purpose does a gun have, than shooting things ?
None, my point was that the previous poster was stating that their sole purpose was killing. This simply isn't true. Shooting != Killing.
Christian Graus wrote:
It appears that you are quite stupid
That's right big boy. Hurl your insults from the other side of the world. Don't bother trying to learn anything. Or *GASP* see something from a different point of view. The entire world is just exactly as you say it is.
Christian Graus wrote:
I am so glad I don't share a country with people who think like this.
Yes i can clearly see where people who plan ahead would pose a big threat to you. Meh. I'm done with this.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
I beg of you the great privilage of licking your boots.
We may not have guns, but we DO have education. Education doesn't result in more school shootings, random killings, etc. So, we win. We also get to laugh at morons like you.
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Christian Graus wrote:
We may not have guns, but we DO have education.
So you are implying that people who own guns are uneducated? It sounds like that you are saying that education is some type of political indoctrination that you are proud of. We have many exceptionally intelligent highly educated individuals who advocate the right to bear arms. I would argue that they are more educated than people who claim that guns are bad.
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Just out of curiosity Christian, how do people in Australia defend themselves? Mace? Tazers? Ninjutsu? Are more classes in self defense or martial arts being taught?
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thrakazog wrote:
how do people in Australia defend themselves?
Defend themselves from what?
I wish I was as fortunate as fortunate as me
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Josh Gray wrote:
Defend themselves from what?
Muggers, home intruders, that sort of thing.
thrakazog wrote:
Muggers, home intruders, that sort of thing.
I had a 7 iron under our bed for a while but I never put it back after I last played golf. Never really felt the need to be armed and I'm pretty happy about that.
I wish I was as fortunate as fortunate as me
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This patriot is a great guy. I revel in the fact that the whipped little slaves in England and Australia get trumped and stamped with a boot in the face. I can hear the whips and the little Christain Graus's and Richard's screaming "I bow to you my great authority, I beg of you the great privilage of licking your boots. Let me give you my check for some more whippings."[^]
I thought it was some kind of comedy sketch at first with that weird looking presenter:confused:
If everything was not true, would it be not true that everything is not true? So by saying everything is not true, you are automatically denying that everything is not true. Im so confused... FreeDOS - An open source modern MS-DOS/PC-DOS replacement.
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I thought it was some kind of comedy sketch at first with that weird looking presenter:confused:
If everything was not true, would it be not true that everything is not true? So by saying everything is not true, you are automatically denying that everything is not true. Im so confused... FreeDOS - An open source modern MS-DOS/PC-DOS replacement.
Lloyd Atkinson©☺ wrote:
I thought it was some kind of comedy sketch at first with that weird looking presenterConfused
No, nothing is real and real is nothing.
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Just out of curiosity Christian, how do people in Australia defend themselves? Mace? Tazers? Ninjutsu? Are more classes in self defense or martial arts being taught?
When the guy coming in is not going to be carrying more than a knife, the block buster or a good piece of timber is all you would need. This is the difference between guns and a contact weapon - a guy with a gun shoots you and it ends. A guy with a knife has to swing at you, and you can better fight back. He's more likely to just run.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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Christian Graus wrote:
We may not have guns, but we DO have education.
So you are implying that people who own guns are uneducated? It sounds like that you are saying that education is some type of political indoctrination that you are proud of. We have many exceptionally intelligent highly educated individuals who advocate the right to bear arms. I would argue that they are more educated than people who claim that guns are bad.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
So you are implying that people who own guns are uneducated?
I was pointing out your horrendous spelling.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
It sounds like that you are saying that education is some type of political indoctrination that you are proud of.
You're just too dumb to know that your spelling was and is atrocious.
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Christian Graus wrote:
I don't get how anyone can be so deliberatly obtuse and ignorant.
I've owned guns and been around them all my life. My family owns guns, all my friend own guns. None of us have ever killed anybody with them. And thankfully none of us have ever had to use them for self defense. We either hunt or shoot targets with them. So the over generalization that guns only serve to kill people is absurd to me. For me guns are tools. How you choose to use them determines if they are a danger or not.
Christian Graus wrote:
What other purpose does a gun have, than shooting things ?
None, my point was that the previous poster was stating that their sole purpose was killing. This simply isn't true. Shooting != Killing.
Christian Graus wrote:
It appears that you are quite stupid
That's right big boy. Hurl your insults from the other side of the world. Don't bother trying to learn anything. Or *GASP* see something from a different point of view. The entire world is just exactly as you say it is.
Christian Graus wrote:
I am so glad I don't share a country with people who think like this.
Yes i can clearly see where people who plan ahead would pose a big threat to you. Meh. I'm done with this.
thrakazog wrote:
Christian Graus wrote: I don't get how anyone can be so deliberatly obtuse and ignorant. I've owned guns and been around them all my life.
ROTFL - that's an answer ?
thrakazog wrote:
None of us have ever killed anybody with them.
That's another stupid statement.
thrakazog wrote:
We either hunt or shoot targets with them.
So, you kill with them then ?
thrakazog wrote:
So the over generalization that guns only serve to kill people is absurd to me.
Well, that works for people who live in an area where they can hunt, and who choose to do so. It's still an instrument of death, or for practicing to kill things later.
thrakazog wrote:
For me guns are tools. How you choose to use them determines if they are a danger or not
Of course, in that, as you say, owning a gun does not mean you've killed anyone. It DOES mean when your 17 yo son decides that Marilyn Manson is right, he can get his hands on a gun to act on his convictions.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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thrakazog wrote:
Christian Graus wrote: I don't get how anyone can be so deliberatly obtuse and ignorant. I've owned guns and been around them all my life.
ROTFL - that's an answer ?
thrakazog wrote:
None of us have ever killed anybody with them.
That's another stupid statement.
thrakazog wrote:
We either hunt or shoot targets with them.
So, you kill with them then ?
thrakazog wrote:
So the over generalization that guns only serve to kill people is absurd to me.
Well, that works for people who live in an area where they can hunt, and who choose to do so. It's still an instrument of death, or for practicing to kill things later.
thrakazog wrote:
For me guns are tools. How you choose to use them determines if they are a danger or not
Of course, in that, as you say, owning a gun does not mean you've killed anyone. It DOES mean when your 17 yo son decides that Marilyn Manson is right, he can get his hands on a gun to act on his convictions.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Christian Graus wrote:
Of course, in that, as you say, owning a gun does not mean you've killed anyone. It DOES mean when your 17 yo son decides that Marilyn Manson is right, he can get his hands on a gun to act on his convictions.
Salient point, but no doubt lost on the gun-lobbyists...
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When the guy coming in is not going to be carrying more than a knife, the block buster or a good piece of timber is all you would need. This is the difference between guns and a contact weapon - a guy with a gun shoots you and it ends. A guy with a knife has to swing at you, and you can better fight back. He's more likely to just run.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Christian Graus wrote:
a guy with a gun shoots you and it ends. A guy with a knife has to swing at you, and you can better fight back. He's more likely to just run.
It is hilarious how you people have reversed the logic of owning a gun to point out that only the "bad guys" have guns and that owning a gun will cause you to get shot. Instead of you being able to shoot the guy and end it, you turn that on yourself and you get shot instead. Physical contact is the last thing you would ever want. It is incredibly asinine that you believe that the government (who has guns by the way) taking your right to own a gun, somehow makes you free and safe. I guess since you are a complete retard I suppose it is best for you to not think about guns.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
So you are implying that people who own guns are uneducated?
I was pointing out your horrendous spelling.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
It sounds like that you are saying that education is some type of political indoctrination that you are proud of.
You're just too dumb to know that your spelling was and is atrocious.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Christian Graus wrote:
I was pointing out your horrendous spelling.
Is that all that you can do? :| What button do I push for a grammar check? Do you have a readme file?
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:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
You measure democracy by the freedom it gives its dissidents, not the freedom it gives its assimilated conformists.
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Christian Graus wrote:
a guy with a gun shoots you and it ends. A guy with a knife has to swing at you, and you can better fight back. He's more likely to just run.
It is hilarious how you people have reversed the logic of owning a gun to point out that only the "bad guys" have guns and that owning a gun will cause you to get shot. Instead of you being able to shoot the guy and end it, you turn that on yourself and you get shot instead. Physical contact is the last thing you would ever want. It is incredibly asinine that you believe that the government (who has guns by the way) taking your right to own a gun, somehow makes you free and safe. I guess since you are a complete retard I suppose it is best for you to not think about guns.
No more asinine than your belief that owning a gun confers upon you the same right...
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No more asinine than your belief that owning a gun confers upon you the same right...
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_Damian S_ wrote:
No more asinine than your belief that owning a gun confers upon you the same right...
I have the right, and it will never vanish. It is a God given right, or a birth right for atheists. That is not disputed among the free men and women who support the constitution and fly the Gadsden flag. They are willing to stand their ground in any situation no matter how grave or dangerous and fight tooth and nail to defend their God given birth rights.
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_Damian S_ wrote:
No more asinine than your belief that owning a gun confers upon you the same right...
I have the right, and it will never vanish. It is a God given right, or a birth right for atheists. That is not disputed among the free men and women who support the constitution and fly the Gadsden flag. They are willing to stand their ground in any situation no matter how grave or dangerous and fight tooth and nail to defend their God given birth rights.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
I have the right, and it will never vanish. It is a God given right, or a birth right for atheists.
If freedom and safety are birth (or god given) rights, why again do you need that gun?
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
I have the right, and it will never vanish. It is a God given right, or a birth right for atheists.
If freedom and safety are birth (or god given) rights, why again do you need that gun?
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_Damian S_ wrote:
If freedom and safety are birth (or god given) rights, why again do you need that gun?
There are always psychopaths and conquerors, and the only way a free society can ever draw the line is if they have the means to fight back. Its all to common for the government to rule the people, and for the government to have all the guns and all the power. The people work their butts off and only get to keep half of what they earn or less, the rest goes to their masters. Once free people lay down any of their rights, they loose them all.