How many times have you changed jobs ...
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.. since you were 18 to when you were 30 (or so far if your age < 30) The average I have heard is around 8. I was reading a book which said that people who change at least 8 jobs by the time they are 30 have more growth in career. How true is it? BTW I have changed only 3 jobs.
Its 4 years after my graduation, and this is the second job. As you might know, its not that common in India to work while you study, and also not to change too many jobs. But, things are getting changed nowadays.
Jwalant Natvarlal Soneji, BE IT, India
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Average 8 for all employees, or for IT people? I changed 5 times from 18 to 30 and that was considered a lot at the time I now have about 18 under my belt! 1 job every 18 months looks bad on a resume unless you're contracting or your career is progressing (and one always wonders why you need to move to progres syour career). When employing I like loyalty - I like to feel people working with me will be around, will ahve some buy-in to the company and not just be 'workers'. And what is meant by 'growth' in a career? I've known many a good developer ruined by some strange belief that they really needed to become a project manager in order to 'grow' - unfortunately a good developer does not (necessarily) a good PM make!
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_Maxxx_ wrote:
a good developer does not (necessarily) a good PM make
I've spent the last 15 years ducking that move. When I got the current contract it was stated clearly that I am a developer, will stay a developer and will not be "promoted" or have my "career" managed. They recently tried to get me interested in Oracle BI so I narrowed the definition to applications developer. HR really don't like me.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
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.. since you were 18 to when you were 30 (or so far if your age < 30) The average I have heard is around 8. I was reading a book which said that people who change at least 8 jobs by the time they are 30 have more growth in career. How true is it? BTW I have changed only 3 jobs.
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.. since you were 18 to when you were 30 (or so far if your age < 30) The average I have heard is around 8. I was reading a book which said that people who change at least 8 jobs by the time they are 30 have more growth in career. How true is it? BTW I have changed only 3 jobs.
2 jobs (student job and Boeing) till I turned 30 circa '95. 5 jobs since then. Except for the 1st, contractor jobs - bleh X|
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.. since you were 18 to when you were 30 (or so far if your age < 30) The average I have heard is around 8. I was reading a book which said that people who change at least 8 jobs by the time they are 30 have more growth in career. How true is it? BTW I have changed only 3 jobs.
6 full time/part time plus 1 short term contract. Is going back to school considered a job, then add 1 for school. getting close to the average, huh :~
Yusuf May I help you?
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.. since you were 18 to when you were 30 (or so far if your age < 30) The average I have heard is around 8. I was reading a book which said that people who change at least 8 jobs by the time they are 30 have more growth in career. How true is it? BTW I have changed only 3 jobs.
Once. Been working for 5 years, and this is my second job. I am trying to change careers at my current job though. :)
Cheers, Vikram. (Proud to have finally cracked a CCC!)
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Carpe Diem.
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.. since you were 18 to when you were 30 (or so far if your age < 30) The average I have heard is around 8. I was reading a book which said that people who change at least 8 jobs by the time they are 30 have more growth in career. How true is it? BTW I have changed only 3 jobs.
I have moved more times than I am years old.
Need custom software developed? I do custom programming based primarily on MS tools with an emphasis on C# development and consulting. A man said to the universe: "Sir I exist!" "However," replied the universe, "The fact has not created in me A sense of obligation." --Stephen Crane
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.. since you were 18 to when you were 30 (or so far if your age < 30) The average I have heard is around 8. I was reading a book which said that people who change at least 8 jobs by the time they are 30 have more growth in career. How true is it? BTW I have changed only 3 jobs.
4 and counting considering now I'm freelance and there is no static job for me god bless communications :)
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I have moved more times than I am years old.
Need custom software developed? I do custom programming based primarily on MS tools with an emphasis on C# development and consulting. A man said to the universe: "Sir I exist!" "However," replied the universe, "The fact has not created in me A sense of obligation." --Stephen Crane
Lol :laugh:
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.. since you were 18 to when you were 30 (or so far if your age < 30) The average I have heard is around 8. I was reading a book which said that people who change at least 8 jobs by the time they are 30 have more growth in career. How true is it? BTW I have changed only 3 jobs.
Fortunately nowadays resumes are mostly electronic, so we do not have to worry about page count anymore! :cool:
You can't turn lead into gold, unless you've built yourself a nuclear plant.
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harold aptroot wrote:
(so I've never had a job)
Where do you get your money?
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.. since you were 18 to when you were 30 (or so far if your age < 30) The average I have heard is around 8. I was reading a book which said that people who change at least 8 jobs by the time they are 30 have more growth in career. How true is it? BTW I have changed only 3 jobs.
In my first career - electronics engineer - 3 times over a span of 14 years. In the interlude, living in hell and taking any job I could find to eat, 3 regular jobs over a span of 12 years that included self-employment and part-time teaching at college. My second career, electrical power engineer, began 4 years ago, and barring a layoff, I don't have any plans to leave. Ever. There are a couple of myths I'd like to dispel, though. One is that the key to advancement in salary is to change jobs often. I've never changed jobs for a higher salary (within my profession), but each time my previous accomplishments were rewarded - and valued - more by my new employer than my former. I didn't get more $$$, but I got the job title and description I earned but did not receive previously, and that changed the pay scale available to me dramatically. When I moved to a new position, I left the top of the salary ladder and entered the bottom at the new job. It helps. Another is that frequent job changes lead to more professional growth. Bull. It leads to a dead end. When I, or most other managers I've known in my 40 years of working, see a resume that lists jobs that lasted 2 or 3 years, it goes in the circular file. Occasional short term employment is acceptable - one of mine lasted 2 years, as it was obvious they wouldn't be around for long (they closed a few months after I left, dead of incompetence), but a job hopper isn't worth training. If you can't stick with a job at least 5 years, you're not worth interviewing. Obviously, the rules are different for youngsters just entering the field - it often takes a young person a couple of jobs to figure out just what he/she wants to do in life. That's normal, and should be considered. But an idiot who changes jobs every couple of years to get more money isn't worth having in the company for 5 minutes.
"A Journey of a Thousand Rest Stops Begins with a Single Movement"
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Average 8 for all employees, or for IT people? I changed 5 times from 18 to 30 and that was considered a lot at the time I now have about 18 under my belt! 1 job every 18 months looks bad on a resume unless you're contracting or your career is progressing (and one always wonders why you need to move to progres syour career). When employing I like loyalty - I like to feel people working with me will be around, will ahve some buy-in to the company and not just be 'workers'. And what is meant by 'growth' in a career? I've known many a good developer ruined by some strange belief that they really needed to become a project manager in order to 'grow' - unfortunately a good developer does not (necessarily) a good PM make!
___________________________________________ .\\axxx (That's an 'M')
I've been given the advice that I need to become either a PM or an architect. There is a tendency to believe something if you hear it enough. I enjoy developing, so I always wonder why I would have to change? To avoid learning new technology?
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.. since you were 18 to when you were 30 (or so far if your age < 30) The average I have heard is around 8. I was reading a book which said that people who change at least 8 jobs by the time they are 30 have more growth in career. How true is it? BTW I have changed only 3 jobs.
I was in school at 18. 19 - Junior Technical Assistant, Dept of Electrical Engineering, Meb Uni ( temp position ) 20 - worked in the library at Melb Uni ages are fuzzy from here worked with my dad as a gardener while studying worked in a call center begging for charity sold chocolate door to door sold vacuum cleaners door to door sold dry cleaning to businesses sold coffee and tea ( Robert TImms ) sold stationery ( SPS Supply ) -- started programming in 1999 -- worked for Viewbuild worked for Dytech Solutions worked for MAST Technology worked for VDIC working for Webster Veterinary That does not count contract work, only full time. Oh, I am 40. I started programming at 30. In that case, 9 jobs.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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.. since you were 18 to when you were 30 (or so far if your age < 30) The average I have heard is around 8. I was reading a book which said that people who change at least 8 jobs by the time they are 30 have more growth in career. How true is it? BTW I have changed only 3 jobs.
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.. since you were 18 to when you were 30 (or so far if your age < 30) The average I have heard is around 8. I was reading a book which said that people who change at least 8 jobs by the time they are 30 have more growth in career. How true is it? BTW I have changed only 3 jobs.
I had 3 jobs, with two changes.
-- Kein Mitleid Für Die Mehrheit
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_Maxxx_ wrote:
a good developer does not (necessarily) a good PM make
I've spent the last 15 years ducking that move. When I got the current contract it was stated clearly that I am a developer, will stay a developer and will not be "promoted" or have my "career" managed. They recently tried to get me interested in Oracle BI so I narrowed the definition to applications developer. HR really don't like me.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
When I was an IT Manager, the rest of the snr mgt team couldn;t understnad why the payscales I requested overlapped. How could a developer possibly be paid more than a team leader? The truth of the matter is that some people were more valuable to me as developers than they would have been as team leaders - so I wanted to pay them sufficiently to keep 'em happy in the role without them thinking they needed promotionto get better remuneration. It worked well. nil staff turnover in 5 years. Of course there was the occasional bellyache when a team leader found they earned less than a developer -old habits dying hard - but generally all was well. I just got plain bored with the management game - took a redundancy package at the right time and haven't looked back (well, not much, unfortunately even developers as good as me rarely make as much as Snr IT Managers!)
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.. since you were 18 to when you were 30 (or so far if your age < 30) The average I have heard is around 8. I was reading a book which said that people who change at least 8 jobs by the time they are 30 have more growth in career. How true is it? BTW I have changed only 3 jobs.
10 and I turned 30 this year.
Idaho Edokpayi
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Once. Been working for 5 years, and this is my second job. I am trying to change careers at my current job though. :)
Cheers, Vikram. (Proud to have finally cracked a CCC!)
Recent activities: TV series: Friends, season 10 Books: Fooled by Randomness, by Nassim Nicholas Taleb.
Carpe Diem.
Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
I am trying to change careers at my current job though.
Trying to move into a business analysis role?
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I was in school at 18. 19 - Junior Technical Assistant, Dept of Electrical Engineering, Meb Uni ( temp position ) 20 - worked in the library at Melb Uni ages are fuzzy from here worked with my dad as a gardener while studying worked in a call center begging for charity sold chocolate door to door sold vacuum cleaners door to door sold dry cleaning to businesses sold coffee and tea ( Robert TImms ) sold stationery ( SPS Supply ) -- started programming in 1999 -- worked for Viewbuild worked for Dytech Solutions worked for MAST Technology worked for VDIC working for Webster Veterinary That does not count contract work, only full time. Oh, I am 40. I started programming at 30. In that case, 9 jobs.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Christian Graus wrote:
sold vacuum cleaners door to door
You did that, too? I sold Rainbow vacuum cleaners. A $400 machine that to this day, I can't honestly point to any brand that does a better job of cleaning carpets. But my assigned territory was La Puente, CA, USA, which at the time was populated by Mexican illegal immigrants living on welfare. Most didn't speak English, and had 12 kids who thought that peeling paint on the baseboards was candy. They only called to get the free set of steak knives we gave away with each sales pitch. Awful experience...
"A Journey of a Thousand Rest Stops Begins with a Single Movement"