I despise Vista
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Me too. I shelled out for Vista Ultimate OEM as soon as it came out. I wanted to dual boot my machine with Linux as I found the usability terrible( security prompts all the time). Whe I got Linux up and playing nicely, I was forced to re-register Vista. Vista had picked up that the system configuration was no longer the same (the Vista HDD was swapped to IDE1 instead of IDE0), I hadn't even re-installed it or put it onto another hard drive.:mad: When I tried to do this online, I was helpfully informed that Vista is already registered on a machine (which it was - my machine). I then had to phone the call-centre and spent the next 10 mins explaining that I wasn't installing Vista on a new machine, I'd just swapped the drive order. It was sucessfully re-registered, but I eventually gave up and went back to XP. Normally, I hate Microsoft bashing, but I'm really glad they've taken such a beating over this one. The beta of Weven looks better (lets face it, it is what Vista would have been if Microsoft hadn't gone to market far too early). I'm appalled they removed your mvp status for that BTW.
keefb wrote:
I'm appalled they removed your mvp status for that BTW.
Why? MVP is first and foremost an acknowledgment of being a Vocal MS Fanboi. Christian no longer is, so his didn't get renewed.
The European Way of War: Blow your own continent up. The American Way of War: Go over and help them.
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Computafreak wrote:
Is there anything that you touch which doesn't break or suck, and performs as expected?
Maybe he has turned into a variant or sorcerers' stone, in which everything he touches converts into non-performing, crashing, sucking piece of c**p
That reminds me today's CP Insider's News Head Line.
Asus, Apple provide most reliable PCs, survey says. Least reliable? Whichever brand Christian chooses.
http://www.codeproject.com/script/News/Summary.aspx?nwdt=20+Aug+2009[^]
Books are as useful to a stupid person as a mirror is useful to a blind person. - Chanakya
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So, I had to make some changes in Vista tonight ( to a website in VS2008 ). Constant issues like, VS asks if I want to overwrite a file, then tells me it cannot make it not read only. Even when I made that change, it every time told me it could not overwrite the file. To make a change, I had to rename the old file, then save it again. Renaming files had the old ask twice to confirm thing. It's a nightmare. I know there's a service pack that I don't have, but how could they release an OS that was this unusable ? And then kick me out of the MVP program for saying so ? I will need to test with Windows 7 soon. I am expecting that to be a dog, too. I mean, why would it not be ?
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
sounds like the problems was with VS.
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Wait. Running VS as administrator disables the security of the rest of the OS? I do all my development in Vista and run VS as admin only for projects that I have post-build commands to register a dll or activeX control. All other projects work fine and I never have problems. It sounds to me like Christian's problems are more related to his project is being loaded from a protected location.
kinar wrote:
Wait. Running VS as administrator disables the security of the rest of the OS?
In a way, yes. It provides another avenue for malicious code to execute.
kinar wrote:
It sounds to me like Christian's problems are more related to his project is being loaded from a protected location.
Could be, I just think running as Admin is a less than ideal work around. Better to solve the "root" problem. Pardon the pun.
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1.) Is this a new announcement? 2.) Given your *constant* problems with *every* tool you use, maybe the time has come to evaluate the user as well the tool...wait, maybe I repeat myself. 3.) The above was written in jest. 4.) The above was not written jest. ;P
"My interest is in the future because I'm going to spend the rest of my life there." - Charles F. Kettering
:)
Software Kinetics (requires SL3 beta) - Moving software
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sounds like the problems was with VS.
Sounds like problems with everything he touches. :)
Software Kinetics (requires SL3 beta) - Moving software
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That reminds me today's CP Insider's News Head Line.
Asus, Apple provide most reliable PCs, survey says. Least reliable? Whichever brand Christian chooses.
http://www.codeproject.com/script/News/Summary.aspx?nwdt=20+Aug+2009[^]
Books are as useful to a stupid person as a mirror is useful to a blind person. - Chanakya
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So, I had to make some changes in Vista tonight ( to a website in VS2008 ). Constant issues like, VS asks if I want to overwrite a file, then tells me it cannot make it not read only. Even when I made that change, it every time told me it could not overwrite the file. To make a change, I had to rename the old file, then save it again. Renaming files had the old ask twice to confirm thing. It's a nightmare. I know there's a service pack that I don't have, but how could they release an OS that was this unusable ? And then kick me out of the MVP program for saying so ? I will need to test with Windows 7 soon. I am expecting that to be a dog, too. I mean, why would it not be ?
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
It's because you don't have ownership of the files. The easiest way to take ownership is to turn UAC completely off. You can also take the longer winded (and more correct) route of actually taking ownership and setting permissions for the files.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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That reminds me today's CP Insider's News Head Line.
Asus, Apple provide most reliable PCs, survey says. Least reliable? Whichever brand Christian chooses.
http://www.codeproject.com/script/News/Summary.aspx?nwdt=20+Aug+2009[^]
Books are as useful to a stupid person as a mirror is useful to a blind person. - Chanakya
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Is there anything that you touch which doesn't break or suck, and performs as expected? As for your problem, have you tried running VS as an administrator? I use the Express editions, and I've found that a lot of issues got resolved when I did that. Not having installed a service pack wouldn't particularly help either.
Between the motion And the act Falls the Shadow
Computafreak wrote:
Is there anything that you touch which doesn't break or suck, and performs as expected?
Can't be him alone, same here.
Personally, I love the idea that Raymond spends his nights posting bad regexs to mailing lists under the pseudonym of Jane Smith. He'd be like a super hero, only more nerdy and less useful. [Trevel]
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kinar wrote:
Wait. Running VS as administrator disables the security of the rest of the OS?
In a way, yes. It provides another avenue for malicious code to execute.
kinar wrote:
It sounds to me like Christian's problems are more related to his project is being loaded from a protected location.
Could be, I just think running as Admin is a less than ideal work around. Better to solve the "root" problem. Pardon the pun.
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So, I had to make some changes in Vista tonight ( to a website in VS2008 ). Constant issues like, VS asks if I want to overwrite a file, then tells me it cannot make it not read only. Even when I made that change, it every time told me it could not overwrite the file. To make a change, I had to rename the old file, then save it again. Renaming files had the old ask twice to confirm thing. It's a nightmare. I know there's a service pack that I don't have, but how could they release an OS that was this unusable ? And then kick me out of the MVP program for saying so ? I will need to test with Windows 7 soon. I am expecting that to be a dog, too. I mean, why would it not be ?
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
and take ownership of the file already. ;P
-- Kein Mitleid Für Die Mehrheit
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"In a way", yes, you are right. But in a more accurate way, anytime you put a user in front of a machine, you are doing the same thing. Security is nice but has diminishing returns and it should be kept in check. A completely secure computer is useless.
kinar wrote:
Security is nice but has diminishing returns and it should be kept in check.
We're going to have to agree to disagree. I was raised with the adage of "An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure" and it has served me well over the years. With that in mind, I find it silly to run any application as Administrator simply because of chronic file permission problems. Much safer to fix the permission problem and run the application as a normal user.
kinar wrote:
A completely secure computer is useless.
Depending on definition, I'm not sure such an animal even exists. However that doesn't mean security is worthless. Reminds me of an old IT saying: "There are 2 types of computer users. Those that have lost data and those that will! It's only a matter of when and how much."
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Is there anything that you touch which doesn't break or suck, and performs as expected? As for your problem, have you tried running VS as an administrator? I use the Express editions, and I've found that a lot of issues got resolved when I did that. Not having installed a service pack wouldn't particularly help either.
Between the motion And the act Falls the Shadow
Computafreak wrote:
Is there anything that you touch which doesn't break or suck, and performs as expected?
I would imagine that there is nothing, even outside the computer realm.
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keefb wrote:
I'm appalled they removed your mvp status for that BTW.
Why? MVP is first and foremost an acknowledgment of being a Vocal MS Fanboi. Christian no longer is, so his didn't get renewed.
The European Way of War: Blow your own continent up. The American Way of War: Go over and help them.
dan neely wrote:
MVP is first and foremost an acknowledgment of being a Vocal MS Fanboi.
I completely disagree. I've made several public comments, slaying Vista and many other products of MS, and many other MVPs have done so. One need not be an MS fanboy to win MVP award. You are insulting the MVP Winners with that silly and ignorant statement of yours.
It is a crappy thing, but it's life -^ Carlo Pallini
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dan neely wrote:
MVP is first and foremost an acknowledgment of being a Vocal MS Fanboi.
I completely disagree. I've made several public comments, slaying Vista and many other products of MS, and many other MVPs have done so. One need not be an MS fanboy to win MVP award. You are insulting the MVP Winners with that silly and ignorant statement of yours.
It is a crappy thing, but it's life -^ Carlo Pallini
Presumably it must have been the way in which Christian slagged off Vista that got him thrown out?
Kevin
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Presumably it must have been the way in which Christian slagged off Vista that got him thrown out?
Kevin
Kevin McFarlane wrote:
Presumably it must have been the way in which Christian slagged off Vista that got him thrown out?
How would I know? May be. May not be. Honestly, I'm not concerned about. I'm concerned about someone calling MVPs as fanboys. There *are* fanboys as well, but that is not what is going to get someone an MVP award. His statement was completely ignorant, and insulting. I've beta tested a number of their software, I've reported numerous bugs and suggestions, I've talked in their conferences, and I participate in the online programming forums (including non-MS forums like CP). And now someone calls me a fanboy, because they awarded me for what I did?! Do people think before they talk?! FUCK!
It is a crappy thing, but it's life -^ Carlo Pallini
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So, I had to make some changes in Vista tonight ( to a website in VS2008 ). Constant issues like, VS asks if I want to overwrite a file, then tells me it cannot make it not read only. Even when I made that change, it every time told me it could not overwrite the file. To make a change, I had to rename the old file, then save it again. Renaming files had the old ask twice to confirm thing. It's a nightmare. I know there's a service pack that I don't have, but how could they release an OS that was this unusable ? And then kick me out of the MVP program for saying so ? I will need to test with Windows 7 soon. I am expecting that to be a dog, too. I mean, why would it not be ?
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Sorry. Couldn't resist. :-D When I installed Vista, I immediately turned off UAC, logged in as an Administrator, and did all the other things that we're Not Supposed To Do to minimize the PITA factor. And even though this reduced the level of dumbness to a dull roar, I still found myself occasionally irritated by something and asking why I would even put myself through the hassle when it brings so little to the party that I can't already do in XP. When it hits the streets, I'll give Vista SP2 Weven a try, but mainly just because I'm in the business and feel like I should make an effort to keep in touch with what's going on. My expectation is that Weven is what Vista should have been - a new version of the OS that's actually usable, and that doesn't really give me any additional functionality that I don't already have on my XP boxes. But it's shiny and people will want to support it, so install it I shall. If it doesn't generate more heat than light, I'll keep it around. However, if I wasn't a geek I doubt I would bother.
Christopher Duncan www.PracticalUSA.com Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes Copywriting Services
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So, I had to make some changes in Vista tonight ( to a website in VS2008 ). Constant issues like, VS asks if I want to overwrite a file, then tells me it cannot make it not read only. Even when I made that change, it every time told me it could not overwrite the file. To make a change, I had to rename the old file, then save it again. Renaming files had the old ask twice to confirm thing. It's a nightmare. I know there's a service pack that I don't have, but how could they release an OS that was this unusable ? And then kick me out of the MVP program for saying so ? I will need to test with Windows 7 soon. I am expecting that to be a dog, too. I mean, why would it not be ?
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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So, I had to make some changes in Vista tonight ( to a website in VS2008 ). Constant issues like, VS asks if I want to overwrite a file, then tells me it cannot make it not read only. Even when I made that change, it every time told me it could not overwrite the file. To make a change, I had to rename the old file, then save it again. Renaming files had the old ask twice to confirm thing. It's a nightmare. I know there's a service pack that I don't have, but how could they release an OS that was this unusable ? And then kick me out of the MVP program for saying so ? I will need to test with Windows 7 soon. I am expecting that to be a dog, too. I mean, why would it not be ?
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
I must say, at this point I really think Vista despises you.
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