I despise Vista
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So, I had to make some changes in Vista tonight ( to a website in VS2008 ). Constant issues like, VS asks if I want to overwrite a file, then tells me it cannot make it not read only. Even when I made that change, it every time told me it could not overwrite the file. To make a change, I had to rename the old file, then save it again. Renaming files had the old ask twice to confirm thing. It's a nightmare. I know there's a service pack that I don't have, but how could they release an OS that was this unusable ? And then kick me out of the MVP program for saying so ? I will need to test with Windows 7 soon. I am expecting that to be a dog, too. I mean, why would it not be ?
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
and take ownership of the file already. ;P
-- Kein Mitleid Für Die Mehrheit
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"In a way", yes, you are right. But in a more accurate way, anytime you put a user in front of a machine, you are doing the same thing. Security is nice but has diminishing returns and it should be kept in check. A completely secure computer is useless.
kinar wrote:
Security is nice but has diminishing returns and it should be kept in check.
We're going to have to agree to disagree. I was raised with the adage of "An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure" and it has served me well over the years. With that in mind, I find it silly to run any application as Administrator simply because of chronic file permission problems. Much safer to fix the permission problem and run the application as a normal user.
kinar wrote:
A completely secure computer is useless.
Depending on definition, I'm not sure such an animal even exists. However that doesn't mean security is worthless. Reminds me of an old IT saying: "There are 2 types of computer users. Those that have lost data and those that will! It's only a matter of when and how much."
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Is there anything that you touch which doesn't break or suck, and performs as expected? As for your problem, have you tried running VS as an administrator? I use the Express editions, and I've found that a lot of issues got resolved when I did that. Not having installed a service pack wouldn't particularly help either.
Between the motion And the act Falls the Shadow
Computafreak wrote:
Is there anything that you touch which doesn't break or suck, and performs as expected?
I would imagine that there is nothing, even outside the computer realm.
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keefb wrote:
I'm appalled they removed your mvp status for that BTW.
Why? MVP is first and foremost an acknowledgment of being a Vocal MS Fanboi. Christian no longer is, so his didn't get renewed.
The European Way of War: Blow your own continent up. The American Way of War: Go over and help them.
dan neely wrote:
MVP is first and foremost an acknowledgment of being a Vocal MS Fanboi.
I completely disagree. I've made several public comments, slaying Vista and many other products of MS, and many other MVPs have done so. One need not be an MS fanboy to win MVP award. You are insulting the MVP Winners with that silly and ignorant statement of yours.
It is a crappy thing, but it's life -^ Carlo Pallini
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dan neely wrote:
MVP is first and foremost an acknowledgment of being a Vocal MS Fanboi.
I completely disagree. I've made several public comments, slaying Vista and many other products of MS, and many other MVPs have done so. One need not be an MS fanboy to win MVP award. You are insulting the MVP Winners with that silly and ignorant statement of yours.
It is a crappy thing, but it's life -^ Carlo Pallini
Presumably it must have been the way in which Christian slagged off Vista that got him thrown out?
Kevin
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Presumably it must have been the way in which Christian slagged off Vista that got him thrown out?
Kevin
Kevin McFarlane wrote:
Presumably it must have been the way in which Christian slagged off Vista that got him thrown out?
How would I know? May be. May not be. Honestly, I'm not concerned about. I'm concerned about someone calling MVPs as fanboys. There *are* fanboys as well, but that is not what is going to get someone an MVP award. His statement was completely ignorant, and insulting. I've beta tested a number of their software, I've reported numerous bugs and suggestions, I've talked in their conferences, and I participate in the online programming forums (including non-MS forums like CP). And now someone calls me a fanboy, because they awarded me for what I did?! Do people think before they talk?! FUCK!
It is a crappy thing, but it's life -^ Carlo Pallini
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So, I had to make some changes in Vista tonight ( to a website in VS2008 ). Constant issues like, VS asks if I want to overwrite a file, then tells me it cannot make it not read only. Even when I made that change, it every time told me it could not overwrite the file. To make a change, I had to rename the old file, then save it again. Renaming files had the old ask twice to confirm thing. It's a nightmare. I know there's a service pack that I don't have, but how could they release an OS that was this unusable ? And then kick me out of the MVP program for saying so ? I will need to test with Windows 7 soon. I am expecting that to be a dog, too. I mean, why would it not be ?
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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So, I had to make some changes in Vista tonight ( to a website in VS2008 ). Constant issues like, VS asks if I want to overwrite a file, then tells me it cannot make it not read only. Even when I made that change, it every time told me it could not overwrite the file. To make a change, I had to rename the old file, then save it again. Renaming files had the old ask twice to confirm thing. It's a nightmare. I know there's a service pack that I don't have, but how could they release an OS that was this unusable ? And then kick me out of the MVP program for saying so ? I will need to test with Windows 7 soon. I am expecting that to be a dog, too. I mean, why would it not be ?
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Sorry. Couldn't resist. :-D When I installed Vista, I immediately turned off UAC, logged in as an Administrator, and did all the other things that we're Not Supposed To Do to minimize the PITA factor. And even though this reduced the level of dumbness to a dull roar, I still found myself occasionally irritated by something and asking why I would even put myself through the hassle when it brings so little to the party that I can't already do in XP. When it hits the streets, I'll give Vista SP2 Weven a try, but mainly just because I'm in the business and feel like I should make an effort to keep in touch with what's going on. My expectation is that Weven is what Vista should have been - a new version of the OS that's actually usable, and that doesn't really give me any additional functionality that I don't already have on my XP boxes. But it's shiny and people will want to support it, so install it I shall. If it doesn't generate more heat than light, I'll keep it around. However, if I wasn't a geek I doubt I would bother.
Christopher Duncan www.PracticalUSA.com Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes Copywriting Services
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So, I had to make some changes in Vista tonight ( to a website in VS2008 ). Constant issues like, VS asks if I want to overwrite a file, then tells me it cannot make it not read only. Even when I made that change, it every time told me it could not overwrite the file. To make a change, I had to rename the old file, then save it again. Renaming files had the old ask twice to confirm thing. It's a nightmare. I know there's a service pack that I don't have, but how could they release an OS that was this unusable ? And then kick me out of the MVP program for saying so ? I will need to test with Windows 7 soon. I am expecting that to be a dog, too. I mean, why would it not be ?
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
I must say, at this point I really think Vista despises you.
Live large, be in charge
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So, I had to make some changes in Vista tonight ( to a website in VS2008 ). Constant issues like, VS asks if I want to overwrite a file, then tells me it cannot make it not read only. Even when I made that change, it every time told me it could not overwrite the file. To make a change, I had to rename the old file, then save it again. Renaming files had the old ask twice to confirm thing. It's a nightmare. I know there's a service pack that I don't have, but how could they release an OS that was this unusable ? And then kick me out of the MVP program for saying so ? I will need to test with Windows 7 soon. I am expecting that to be a dog, too. I mean, why would it not be ?
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Christian Graus wrote:
...but how could they release an OS that was this unusable ? And then kick me out of the MVP program for saying so ?
Your MVP Lead really told you that?
"Old age is like a bank account. You withdraw later in life what you have deposited along the way." - Unknown
"Fireproof doesn't mean the fire will never come. It means when the fire comes that you will be able to withstand it." - Michael Simmons
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keefb wrote:
I'm appalled they removed your mvp status for that BTW.
Why? MVP is first and foremost an acknowledgment of being a Vocal MS Fanboi. Christian no longer is, so his didn't get renewed.
The European Way of War: Blow your own continent up. The American Way of War: Go over and help them.
dan neely wrote:
...so his didn't get renewed.
It was likely not renewed as he was no longer contributing to the VC++ community.
"Old age is like a bank account. You withdraw later in life what you have deposited along the way." - Unknown
"Fireproof doesn't mean the fire will never come. It means when the fire comes that you will be able to withstand it." - Michael Simmons
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"In a way", yes, you are right. But in a more accurate way, anytime you put a user in front of a machine, you are doing the same thing. Security is nice but has diminishing returns and it should be kept in check. A completely secure computer is useless.
kinar wrote:
A completely secure computer is useless.
Rubbish. They're quite good for sitting on.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Sorry. Couldn't resist. :-D When I installed Vista, I immediately turned off UAC, logged in as an Administrator, and did all the other things that we're Not Supposed To Do to minimize the PITA factor. And even though this reduced the level of dumbness to a dull roar, I still found myself occasionally irritated by something and asking why I would even put myself through the hassle when it brings so little to the party that I can't already do in XP. When it hits the streets, I'll give Vista SP2 Weven a try, but mainly just because I'm in the business and feel like I should make an effort to keep in touch with what's going on. My expectation is that Weven is what Vista should have been - a new version of the OS that's actually usable, and that doesn't really give me any additional functionality that I don't already have on my XP boxes. But it's shiny and people will want to support it, so install it I shall. If it doesn't generate more heat than light, I'll keep it around. However, if I wasn't a geek I doubt I would bother.
Christopher Duncan www.PracticalUSA.com Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes Copywriting Services
Christopher Duncan wrote:
Vista SP2
Is laready out. I mean literal Vista SP2:) You have to call Weven something else.:)
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Christopher Duncan wrote:
Vista SP2
Is laready out. I mean literal Vista SP2:) You have to call Weven something else.:)
SP3?
Christopher Duncan www.PracticalUSA.com Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes Copywriting Services
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Is there anything that you touch which doesn't break or suck, and performs as expected? As for your problem, have you tried running VS as an administrator? I use the Express editions, and I've found that a lot of issues got resolved when I did that. Not having installed a service pack wouldn't particularly help either.
Between the motion And the act Falls the Shadow
Computafreak wrote:
Is there anything that you touch which doesn't break or suck, and performs as expected?
OSX.
Computafreak wrote:
As for your problem, have you tried running VS as an administrator?
You are right, I had forgotten about the need to do that. I just ran it. So, in this case, the problem is mostly that I forgot that Vista is harder to use, I can't just run an app and have it work.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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1.) Is this a new announcement? 2.) Given your *constant* problems with *every* tool you use, maybe the time has come to evaluate the user as well the tool...wait, maybe I repeat myself. 3.) The above was written in jest. 4.) The above was not written jest. ;P
"My interest is in the future because I'm going to spend the rest of my life there." - Charles F. Kettering
*grin* some of my tools work fine all the time. OSX would be a prime example. So would all the programs I use on my Mac. There are tools that work fine on my PC, Ghost is a good example.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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sounds like the problems was with VS.
The core issue is all the multiple layers of permissions stuff going on in Vista. Having to rename files and be prompted three times for permission, was one non VS issue I had last night.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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It's because you don't have ownership of the files. The easiest way to take ownership is to turn UAC completely off. You can also take the longer winded (and more correct) route of actually taking ownership and setting permissions for the files.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001Yeah, I know. But, this Vista PC only exists for the purpose of testing my app. If I turn off UAC, it's not really a test, is it ? It just happens to be a notebook, and I was working in the lounge, so I could 'spend some time with my wife'. I worked until 9:30 last night on our website.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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The core issue is all the multiple layers of permissions stuff going on in Vista. Having to rename files and be prompted three times for permission, was one non VS issue I had last night.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
have you turned off UAC ?
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Christian Graus wrote:
...but how could they release an OS that was this unusable ? And then kick me out of the MVP program for saying so ?
Your MVP Lead really told you that?
"Old age is like a bank account. You withdraw later in life what you have deposited along the way." - Unknown
"Fireproof doesn't mean the fire will never come. It means when the fire comes that you will be able to withstand it." - Michael Simmons
What my MVP lead told me was utter BS. They told me I was out because I worked for CP and here was where I was answering questions. Only, I had worked here for over a year and been reawarded, Nish worked here for a couple of years, and it was never an issue. I was more active than I'd ever been, so it was not lack of activity. 4 MVPs put me forward for reawarding the next quarter, and when I wrote to my lead to ask why I was not awarded, the response I got was downright rude. The only possible explanation is that I was vocal in how I felt about Vista. The only other possibility I can see, is that they spin a wheel and kick people out at random.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
