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So? Just treat them for their under developed cognitive and language skills and leave the autism out of it, I'd say. They treat those people anyway.
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What do you think autism is? Because by the usual definition of the word you just provided an oxymoron.
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"Early identification and treatment of the disorder is thought to be a key to reducing its severity .. [snip] .. raise a red flag" Source: EssentialBaby.com[^] Oh come on! It's not like it's an degenerative autoimmune disease or something bad like that! I mean, I have Asperger's and I'm sure many more CPians do as well, and where does that get me? Into computers. Oh no! Save me! Computers! I so wish I received early treatment! Crap like this really makes me angry. Besides, that treatment has got to be complete bullsh*t as well. There is no way they could make me like big groups of people, or too full elevators, or eye contact, hell no. And what else is that "treatment" going to do? edit: Ok fine, disagree all you want, I will still be angry and I refuse to believe that they really meant Only plain autism and none of the other things in the spectrum, have you ever seen an article on the internet where they got it right? Probably not.
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Over the past few years I have seen or heard TV/Radio programs where members of the deaf community advocated against the use of Cochlear Implants and I could never understand their reasoning. I am in the same situation with your post. Leaving aside whether the 'cure' is valid or not, any research into the causes and treatment of autism should only be applauded. I do not have Asperger's Syndrome, although my condition exhibits many of the same symptoms as you quoted, uncomfortable with people (especially in large groups), eye contact, crowded elevators and in my case even going outside is a problem. One thing I do know is that if someone could relieve me of this affliction, they would have my undying gratitude.
Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.”
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Over the past few years I have seen or heard TV/Radio programs where members of the deaf community advocated against the use of Cochlear Implants and I could never understand their reasoning. I am in the same situation with your post. Leaving aside whether the 'cure' is valid or not, any research into the causes and treatment of autism should only be applauded. I do not have Asperger's Syndrome, although my condition exhibits many of the same symptoms as you quoted, uncomfortable with people (especially in large groups), eye contact, crowded elevators and in my case even going outside is a problem. One thing I do know is that if someone could relieve me of this affliction, they would have my undying gratitude.
Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.”
Henry Minute wrote:
any research into the causes and treatment of autism should only be applauded.
I would agree with that, but they often talk as if it is as bad as cancer - it's no where close, especially not Asperger's (all the good things of Autism and very few of the bad things - sounds like a deal right?) I don't particularly like going outside either, if something requires me to go outside I usually develop a dislike for it. There are too many people outside. But I wouldn't want to be "cured" even if they paid me a million for it. Maybe for a billion - everything has a price, sometimes it's just high.
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"Early identification and treatment of the disorder is thought to be a key to reducing its severity .. [snip] .. raise a red flag" Source: EssentialBaby.com[^] Oh come on! It's not like it's an degenerative autoimmune disease or something bad like that! I mean, I have Asperger's and I'm sure many more CPians do as well, and where does that get me? Into computers. Oh no! Save me! Computers! I so wish I received early treatment! Crap like this really makes me angry. Besides, that treatment has got to be complete bullsh*t as well. There is no way they could make me like big groups of people, or too full elevators, or eye contact, hell no. And what else is that "treatment" going to do? edit: Ok fine, disagree all you want, I will still be angry and I refuse to believe that they really meant Only plain autism and none of the other things in the spectrum, have you ever seen an article on the internet where they got it right? Probably not.
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"Victorian researchers have discovered" I just got very, very confused. But blame 18 month old + disturbed sleep patterns. Neil.
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A mental condition signified by lack of empathy and communicative skills, amongst other things? edit: but those two, or any of the other symptoms, do not mean you have autism, it works the other way around.
Well those fall under the things you should be treated, and yet you said "autism" should be left alone. And those, in thier mild form, are two the primary symptoms of Asperger syndrome. In autism these along with other symptoms such as restricted and repetative behaviour can occur in much stronger and more debilitating ways. "Treatment" is having people who care work with autistic people to find ways to overcome these problems, esentially helping to find workarounds and patches that work for that person in the situations they personally find hardest. Many children with autism don't achive independance in adulthood, so your assertion that they are better off left alone would essentially leave them to die. This isnt about making them "normal" and making them conform, it's about giving them as much life as possible and about teaching them the things they need to know. Again I come back to the analogy I made earlier, having sun burn and saying all burn vicims should just whack on sun lotion isn't any help at all to those with 4th degree burns.
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Well those fall under the things you should be treated, and yet you said "autism" should be left alone. And those, in thier mild form, are two the primary symptoms of Asperger syndrome. In autism these along with other symptoms such as restricted and repetative behaviour can occur in much stronger and more debilitating ways. "Treatment" is having people who care work with autistic people to find ways to overcome these problems, esentially helping to find workarounds and patches that work for that person in the situations they personally find hardest. Many children with autism don't achive independance in adulthood, so your assertion that they are better off left alone would essentially leave them to die. This isnt about making them "normal" and making them conform, it's about giving them as much life as possible and about teaching them the things they need to know. Again I come back to the analogy I made earlier, having sun burn and saying all burn vicims should just whack on sun lotion isn't any help at all to those with 4th degree burns.
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"Early identification and treatment of the disorder is thought to be a key to reducing its severity .. [snip] .. raise a red flag" Source: EssentialBaby.com[^] Oh come on! It's not like it's an degenerative autoimmune disease or something bad like that! I mean, I have Asperger's and I'm sure many more CPians do as well, and where does that get me? Into computers. Oh no! Save me! Computers! I so wish I received early treatment! Crap like this really makes me angry. Besides, that treatment has got to be complete bullsh*t as well. There is no way they could make me like big groups of people, or too full elevators, or eye contact, hell no. And what else is that "treatment" going to do? edit: Ok fine, disagree all you want, I will still be angry and I refuse to believe that they really meant Only plain autism and none of the other things in the spectrum, have you ever seen an article on the internet where they got it right? Probably not.
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The article specifically mentioned autism, not Aspergers. Yes, they are on the same spectrum, but they are not the same issue. My daughter is autistic; she will be starting behavioural and speech therapy in the next couple of weeks. Do I expect it to magically change her life? No, but it would be nice if she learned to answer questions or communicate in some way other than repeating what she has previously heard. She doesn't formulate new sentences; she repeats EXACTLY what she has heard. A few weeks back, she was eating from a fruit cup and we asked her if it was apples or pears. Her response was, "And he ate through two pears" - a line from "The Very Hungry Catepillar". To tell us she is thirsty, she will say, "Would you like a glass of juice?" And, current research points to autism spectrum disorders being MEDICAL not MENTAL disorders; now, we just need insurance companies to understand that... Tim
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The article specifically mentioned autism, not Aspergers. Yes, they are on the same spectrum, but they are not the same issue. My daughter is autistic; she will be starting behavioural and speech therapy in the next couple of weeks. Do I expect it to magically change her life? No, but it would be nice if she learned to answer questions or communicate in some way other than repeating what she has previously heard. She doesn't formulate new sentences; she repeats EXACTLY what she has heard. A few weeks back, she was eating from a fruit cup and we asked her if it was apples or pears. Her response was, "And he ate through two pears" - a line from "The Very Hungry Catepillar". To tell us she is thirsty, she will say, "Would you like a glass of juice?" And, current research points to autism spectrum disorders being MEDICAL not MENTAL disorders; now, we just need insurance companies to understand that... Tim
Good luck, no I mean it, and for insurance companies to understand that.. that will take a lot.. autism isn't understood well enough yet
Tim Carmichael wrote:
The article specifically mentioned autism
They never do that. They mention autism and in 99% of the cases they refer to the whole spectrum including PDD-NOS and Asperger's and whatnot. Part of their ignorance, not mine.
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Well that's no treatment, and FYI, they do have the "make normal" treatment - I just refused it, as would any sensible person.
You do not have autism, you have something on the autism specturm. They are talking about a medical study and the study will use correct terminology. They are talking about early treatment of autism to reduce the severity and it can be VERY severe. Any reduction can reap large benifits in that persons quality of life. You are right, making people normal for the sake of making people normal is wrong, however projecting your personal experience of something that is related is not helpful in the slightest in this instance.
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You do not have autism, you have something on the autism specturm. They are talking about a medical study and the study will use correct terminology. They are talking about early treatment of autism to reduce the severity and it can be VERY severe. Any reduction can reap large benifits in that persons quality of life. You are right, making people normal for the sake of making people normal is wrong, however projecting your personal experience of something that is related is not helpful in the slightest in this instance.
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So how is it any different? If I wouldn't have had Asperger's but plain autism they would have tried to cure me all the same
I've said what the treatment is, I've said how it helps, are you saying that these things are wrong? Provide some refutement, prove that everyone everywhere is out to make everyone in to normal clones. How many people do you know who work with helping children with such problems? how many of them say all they do is try to normalise people for all the wrong reasons? You say "cure", yet the majority of medical science says it isnt something that can be cured, its only something that can be treated to improve quality of life. You say all this with vitriol and a blinkered perspective. Explain why it's not different? Explain why the recommended treatment which has benifited so many is so bad? Explain why you attack the whole area when you have (from what you've said) only experienced such a small and obviously fairly ignorant part of the field? Again I'd like to stress that I'm not syaing you are wrong about people out there who doing things badly ... who say they will "cure" and "make normal", but I am saying that your generalised attack undermines your message and is just plain wrong.
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I've said what the treatment is, I've said how it helps, are you saying that these things are wrong? Provide some refutement, prove that everyone everywhere is out to make everyone in to normal clones. How many people do you know who work with helping children with such problems? how many of them say all they do is try to normalise people for all the wrong reasons? You say "cure", yet the majority of medical science says it isnt something that can be cured, its only something that can be treated to improve quality of life. You say all this with vitriol and a blinkered perspective. Explain why it's not different? Explain why the recommended treatment which has benifited so many is so bad? Explain why you attack the whole area when you have (from what you've said) only experienced such a small and obviously fairly ignorant part of the field? Again I'd like to stress that I'm not syaing you are wrong about people out there who doing things badly ... who say they will "cure" and "make normal", but I am saying that your generalised attack undermines your message and is just plain wrong.
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So how is it any different? If I wouldn't have had Asperger's but plain autism they would have tried to cure me all the same
harold aptroot wrote:
So how is it any different? If I wouldn't have had Asperger's but plain autism they would have tried to cure me all the same
They would have gave you hardcore psychotropics and destroyed your life for the sake of experimentation. When you are considered "mentally ill", you are nothing but a disposable test rat.
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Over the past few years I have seen or heard TV/Radio programs where members of the deaf community advocated against the use of Cochlear Implants and I could never understand their reasoning. I am in the same situation with your post. Leaving aside whether the 'cure' is valid or not, any research into the causes and treatment of autism should only be applauded. I do not have Asperger's Syndrome, although my condition exhibits many of the same symptoms as you quoted, uncomfortable with people (especially in large groups), eye contact, crowded elevators and in my case even going outside is a problem. One thing I do know is that if someone could relieve me of this affliction, they would have my undying gratitude.
Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.”
I have heard of a claimed cure for things like this, but it involved polished rice that was sprinkled with water from some stream that was somehow "special" I don't believe it will actually do anything but if you're interested I could ask the guy that told me for more information.
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harold aptroot wrote:
So how is it any different? If I wouldn't have had Asperger's but plain autism they would have tried to cure me all the same
They would have gave you hardcore psychotropics and destroyed your life for the sake of experimentation. When you are considered "mentally ill", you are nothing but a disposable test rat.
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Yea you're right of course.. On the other hand, there are also those psycho rapists who just keep getting released, to the point that it's starting to appear intentional, would you know more of that?
harold aptroot wrote:
On the other hand, there are also those psycho rapists who just keep getting released, to the point that it's starting to appear intentional, would you know more of that?
Well, it certainly manipulates the public's perceived need for reinforced "law and order" that otherwise might seem intrusive or undesirable in some way.
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I have heard of a claimed cure for things like this, but it involved polished rice that was sprinkled with water from some stream that was somehow "special" I don't believe it will actually do anything but if you're interested I could ask the guy that told me for more information.
These sort of things are only 'special' if you believe them to be so. I don't think I could suspend my disbelief enough for that. Thanks for the offer though. :)
Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.”
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"Early identification and treatment of the disorder is thought to be a key to reducing its severity .. [snip] .. raise a red flag" Source: EssentialBaby.com[^] Oh come on! It's not like it's an degenerative autoimmune disease or something bad like that! I mean, I have Asperger's and I'm sure many more CPians do as well, and where does that get me? Into computers. Oh no! Save me! Computers! I so wish I received early treatment! Crap like this really makes me angry. Besides, that treatment has got to be complete bullsh*t as well. There is no way they could make me like big groups of people, or too full elevators, or eye contact, hell no. And what else is that "treatment" going to do? edit: Ok fine, disagree all you want, I will still be angry and I refuse to believe that they really meant Only plain autism and none of the other things in the spectrum, have you ever seen an article on the internet where they got it right? Probably not.
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From what I have read, the treatment will not prevent you from spraying bullets in a crowded place just so you can have some piece and quiet, the pills just make you feel less guilty after.
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"Early identification and treatment of the disorder is thought to be a key to reducing its severity .. [snip] .. raise a red flag" Source: EssentialBaby.com[^] Oh come on! It's not like it's an degenerative autoimmune disease or something bad like that! I mean, I have Asperger's and I'm sure many more CPians do as well, and where does that get me? Into computers. Oh no! Save me! Computers! I so wish I received early treatment! Crap like this really makes me angry. Besides, that treatment has got to be complete bullsh*t as well. There is no way they could make me like big groups of people, or too full elevators, or eye contact, hell no. And what else is that "treatment" going to do? edit: Ok fine, disagree all you want, I will still be angry and I refuse to believe that they really meant Only plain autism and none of the other things in the spectrum, have you ever seen an article on the internet where they got it right? Probably not.
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At least you can eat asperger's. Try living with dyslexia.
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