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  • D dan sh

    Giggle, girl...

    It's not necessary to be so stupid, either, but people manage it. - Christian Graus, 2009 AD

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    Pravarakhya
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    ok let me change the rule slightly.. an 'i' after 'g' makes it to sound like 'ji' except when a word starts with 'g'.

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    • D dan sh

      Why is "digit" spelled with a "g" and pronounced as "dijit"? I mean "g" has a different pronounciation (the one in "gun") in most of the words I know. While, "j" as pronounced in "jug" would fit better in word digit. Any English masters here who can explain?

      It's not necessary to be so stupid, either, but people manage it. - Christian Graus, 2009 AD

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      Dmitri Raiko
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      Well, ask a spanish man/women why they pronounce "j" as "h" (Heres de la frontera (sorry: Jeres ...) is beautiful) Ask french men why they need more than 5 letters to write "Bordo" (even more beautiful than ... well, both are good). And, please, dont ask me why we in Ukraine write simple words with those strange letters. So we are -- the human beings, we do strange things and this differs us from those, who, well, do not live even in caves.

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      • D dan sh

        Why is "digit" spelled with a "g" and pronounced as "dijit"? I mean "g" has a different pronounciation (the one in "gun") in most of the words I know. While, "j" as pronounced in "jug" would fit better in word digit. Any English masters here who can explain?

        It's not necessary to be so stupid, either, but people manage it. - Christian Graus, 2009 AD

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        Lost User
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        English is a mongrel language so we have words with different origins in different language - some of which sound the same but are written differently and vice versa. Woof woof ;)

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        • P Pravarakhya

          ok let me change the rule slightly.. an 'i' after 'g' makes it to sound like 'ji' except when a word starts with 'g'.

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          martin_hughes
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          Gigolo?* *You'll have to forgive the multiple edits - I'm on the Gin challenge. And also on Giraffe watch.

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          • L Lost User

            English is a mongrel language so we have words with different origins in different language - some of which sound the same but are written differently and vice versa. Woof woof ;)

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            Henry Minute
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            Trollslayer wrote:

            Woof woof

            And how is that pronounced?

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            • H Henry Minute

              Trollslayer wrote:

              Woof woof

              And how is that pronounced?

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              Miaow miaow.

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                Miaow miaow.

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                Henry Minute
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                Thought it might be. :-D

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                • D dan sh

                  Why is "digit" spelled with a "g" and pronounced as "dijit"? I mean "g" has a different pronounciation (the one in "gun") in most of the words I know. While, "j" as pronounced in "jug" would fit better in word digit. Any English masters here who can explain?

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                  Gary R Wheeler
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                  Because Dijit™ is a registered trademark of Eastman Kodak Company, my employer.

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                  • M martin_hughes

                    Gigolo?* *You'll have to forgive the multiple edits - I'm on the Gin challenge. And also on Giraffe watch.

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                    Pravarakhya
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                    I started hating myself for writing stupid language rules which dont make any sense...

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                    • H Henry Minute

                      So, how would you pronounce 'Featherstonhaugh'?

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                      Roger Wright
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                      Featherho. As in, "Nice boa, Featherho!"

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                      • D dan sh

                        Why is "digit" spelled with a "g" and pronounced as "dijit"? I mean "g" has a different pronounciation (the one in "gun") in most of the words I know. While, "j" as pronounced in "jug" would fit better in word digit. Any English masters here who can explain?

                        It's not necessary to be so stupid, either, but people manage it. - Christian Graus, 2009 AD

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                        Mark_Wallace
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                        Because it's derived from Latin, and precedes an "i" (if it preceded a, o, or u, it would be a hard sound, as in "go").

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                        • D dighn

                          You are looking for logic in a language that has none. As someone who has had the pleasure of learning English from scratch (actually haven't we all, but I mean from an outside perspective), I can only say that it is the product of mad men and drunkards.

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                          Mark_Wallace
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                          dighn wrote:

                          You are looking for logic in a language that has none

                          English has lots of logic. That's the problem.

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                          • D dan sh

                            Why is "digit" spelled with a "g" and pronounced as "dijit"? I mean "g" has a different pronounciation (the one in "gun") in most of the words I know. While, "j" as pronounced in "jug" would fit better in word digit. Any English masters here who can explain?

                            It's not necessary to be so stupid, either, but people manage it. - Christian Graus, 2009 AD

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                            smcnulty2000
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                            The short answer is the one everyone else gave; the language is a hodgepodge. The word "digit" comes as a measurement from Ancient Roman times. It is Mediterranean in origin. The word probably came north with the Normans in 1066. They were fond of a "J" sound where the Saxons would have used a sound closer to a "K". Several etymologies trace "digit" to 1398 but it is older than that. That does tell us about when it appeared in "English" writing, and that was before the original project Gutenburg, of course. So figure it was hand written about then. Spelling was pretty fluid back then. Nobody yet knew a reason to standardize. And at that time the I and J hadn't yet separated so the J wasn't really available as an option. Add on to that that a given literate monk might be from another country than England and it would take a language or history professor to give you the best guess at a real answer. We might have a real clue if we ever saw the 1398 reference and maybe knew who wrote it at that time. Simple question regarding English is often not the case. Good question, though. Wish I knew the answer. All of the above are just chaseable factors.

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                            • D dan sh

                              Why is "digit" spelled with a "g" and pronounced as "dijit"? I mean "g" has a different pronounciation (the one in "gun") in most of the words I know. While, "j" as pronounced in "jug" would fit better in word digit. Any English masters here who can explain?

                              It's not necessary to be so stupid, either, but people manage it. - Christian Graus, 2009 AD

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                              Anna Jayne Metcalfe
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                              d@nish wrote:

                              Why is "digit" spelled with a "g" and pronounced as "dijit"?

                              Because it's fun to confuse the tourists. ;P

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                              • J Jorgen Sigvardsson

                                It'd be too expensive to reprint all the books if you were to "fix" the language. ;)

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                                Bill Seddon
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                                Writing as Mark Twain Samuel Clemens did have a plan to fix the language. I can't find a link to the whole article but this will give the jist of his proposal: http://www.plainlanguage.gov/examples/humor/marktwain.cfm[^] His proposal also dealt with pesky details like 'g' being 'guh' and 'gee' arbitarily.

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                                • H Henry Minute

                                  So, how would you pronounce 'Featherstonhaugh'?

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                                  hairy_hats
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                                  Fanshawe.

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                                  • M martin_hughes

                                    Gigolo?* *You'll have to forgive the multiple edits - I'm on the Gin challenge. And also on Giraffe watch.

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                                    hairy_hats
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                                    It'd not an English word but a borrowing so doesn't follow English rules, such as they are.

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                                    • D dighn

                                      You are looking for logic in a language that has none. As someone who has had the pleasure of learning English from scratch (actually haven't we all, but I mean from an outside perspective), I can only say that it is the product of mad men and drunkards.

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                                      hairy_hats
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                                      English is about learning exceptions, not rules.

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                                      • P Pravarakhya

                                        I think an "i" after a "g" makes it sound like "ji", except when a word starts with 'g' digit legitimate ginger (exception) agile fragile engine are some examples

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                                        Frank Peelo
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                                        Pravarakhya wrote:

                                        ginger (exception)

                                        No -- both instances of g in that word are pronounced as in gin. There has been a move to mispronounce both gs in that word, in order to deprecate red-headed people. But it's wrong, and unfair, especially given how good-looking red-headed people can be.

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                                        • H Henry Minute

                                          So, how would you pronounce 'Featherstonhaugh'?

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                                          Julian Nicholls
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                                          That's pronounced Fanshaw, or if you're really posh, Festonhaw.

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