MonoDevelop IDE now runs on Windows, Mac
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Miguel de Icaza, head of the Mono project, announced a new release of MonoDevelop[^], a multi-language IDE that now runs on Windows, Mac, and Linux.
We intend to make MonoDevelop the Eclipse of the .NET community. Just like Eclipse became the foundation for Java development, we hope that MonoDevelop will become the foundation for .NET development, and hopefully for much more than that.
On their multi-language support,
We are not religious when it comes to supporting other programming languages. We want to embrace not only .NET-based projects like Gtk#, Silverlight, ASP.NET, Boo, C#, F#, Visual Basic and Windows.Forms. We are also embracing other developer platforms like Python, C/C++, Vala, and we want to expand our presence to work with the Flash, PHP, Ruby, Rails, Flex and any other communities that need a cross platform IDE.
:cool: Anyone up for ditching Visual Studio? :-) In all seriousness, given the various designer headaches I've had with VS, I'm willing to try this alternative.
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Judah Himango wrote:
Anyone up for ditching Visual Studio?
Yep, as soon as I get used to windbg, which is not really happening...
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Well, in 7 years it has certainly improved, but its still no where close to the league VS plays in.
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Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:
no where close to the league VS plays in
Really! I had reverse impression. I found that refactoring and overall code assistance in Eclipse is superior to what VS provides natively. Resharper improved it in VS but again Resharper is from the guys who developed IntelliJ idea: a Java IDE. Of course, IntelliJ idea is extremely superior to both. My impression has been that Eclipse and other Java IDEs concentrate on improving the productivity of programmers where as VS concentrates more on trivializing the programming so that even non-programmers program. Both of these have their place. Again, I am not talking about Eclipse C++ or Eclipse outside the context of Java.
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Christian Graus wrote:
Eclipse does suck.
What sucks in it? From what I have used in developing Java applications. 1. Java refactoring works great 2. IDE is highly extensible and can do lot of things 3. Java intellisense works great I have had no complains with it so far. The only problems I had was the difference in paradigm from VS.
It crashes on me regularly. Actually, it doesn't crash, it just disappears silently. Java intellisense sucks: if I type too fast, it doesn't provide any list of members, so I have to backspace to the dot, type a new dot, and wait for the auto complete list to come up. IMO, it's better in some ways than VS, worse in others. Overall, I like VS much better than Eclipse, and use Eclipse only when Java dev work is required.
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It takes enough time to load that I can get coffee and it's still loading when I come back
Are you Usain Bolt posting under a different name? 'Cause Weblogic Workshop (built on top of Eclipse) takes as much time as VS, I can't say one is clearly faster than the other.
Cheers, Vikram. (Cracked not one CCC, but two!)
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Judah Himango wrote:
Anyone up for ditching Visual Studio?
Yep, as soon as I get used to windbg, which is not really happening...
Windbg is a complement to VS, not a replacement. ;) (A bloody nice complement, once you figure out how to use it!)
-- Kein Mitleid Für Die Mehrheit
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Miguel de Icaza, head of the Mono project, announced a new release of MonoDevelop[^], a multi-language IDE that now runs on Windows, Mac, and Linux.
We intend to make MonoDevelop the Eclipse of the .NET community. Just like Eclipse became the foundation for Java development, we hope that MonoDevelop will become the foundation for .NET development, and hopefully for much more than that.
On their multi-language support,
We are not religious when it comes to supporting other programming languages. We want to embrace not only .NET-based projects like Gtk#, Silverlight, ASP.NET, Boo, C#, F#, Visual Basic and Windows.Forms. We are also embracing other developer platforms like Python, C/C++, Vala, and we want to expand our presence to work with the Flash, PHP, Ruby, Rails, Flex and any other communities that need a cross platform IDE.
:cool: Anyone up for ditching Visual Studio? :-) In all seriousness, given the various designer headaches I've had with VS, I'm willing to try this alternative.
Religiously blogging on the intarwebs since the early 21st century: Kineti L'Tziyon Judah Himango
I wonder what the bearded super commies of the open free source flock says about this. :~
-- Kein Mitleid Für Die Mehrheit
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Judah Himango wrote:
Anyone up for ditching Visual Studio?
Yes, but no. Meaning, that I'd be willing to look at bailing on VS if a truly quality product came along, but it won't, so I won't be ditching VS any time soon. (In the C++ world, Borland had a chance to take Microsoft to the cleaners and totally blew it. And that's for a language Microsoft all but abandoned for almost eight years, and considering all the problem with VS 2005, arguably longer.)
Joe Woodbury wrote:
In the C++ world, Borland had a chance to take Microsoft to the cleaners and totally blew it.
Well, in the early days of Boland they did take Microsoft to the cleaners. They beat them up badly, but then got toooooo big for their britches and boom, junk started coming out. I started on Lattice C and Microsoft C back in the good old days, but then came along Turbo C. Hmm.. $50 to almost $500... The programming world moved quickly and Microsoft was hurting for certian. Borland's price kept going up with quality going down and Microsoft's price coming down along with quality going up. Borland C++ 5.0 was a horrible pile of bad code and finally drove me back on the MS train and have not found a reason to get off the train yet ;) Although the price of some of their tools could crash the train, they have provided ways around those for those in need. While the Express line of tools may not be all that the commercail products are, it is great the hobbists have them to work with until they can move up. I could not image a free client/server database for free back in the day nor tools of the quality of the Express packages back then. Opps.. Sorry for running on there... :)
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Mono works on the Mac too, right ? I assume there's no WPF support in Mono yet ? Eclipse does suck. It seems to me that no matter how much VS sucks, no team of volunteers is going to catch the head start MS has. They can write something simple and solid, but not match the feature set. Reading the ASP.NET forums, a lot of 'programmers' today are stuck when a wizard fails, when they can't build something by clicking the mouse a few times, so I can see this project creating something useful to programmers, but not to most people being paid to generate code today.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Christian Graus wrote:
no team of volunteers is going to catch the head start MS has.
You should try Embarcadero's RAD Studio, I think they tried to surpass MS for suckiness in IDEs with this one, and succeeded.
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I wonder what the bearded super commies of the open free source flock says about this. :~
-- Kein Mitleid Für Die Mehrheit
They target multiple IDEs, environments, OS-es, test and build systems, not just VS or Windows or the utter MSBuild, VSS, web-services evolution and idiotism :) Btw, Rama nails it again.. just wish to add NetBeans, CMake, Code blocks, the lot really.. MonoDevelop and SharpDevelop are only to be applauded and hope they all keep it up. However, it all comes back to 'visual reinvention' of a basic skill, simple, portable and extensible command line tools. And don't worry about VS2010 reaching the level of hunger Eclipse requires to run. It's a WPF test case, an exercise in self-adoption at Redmond and that means only one thing: Awesome Display of Hanging Performance. Designed by the same younger generation copying Java, playing fair and taking it all further into the oblivion (along with the flock of fanboy sheep losing their folicles by the hour, all while the life passes by and software or build breaks the moment you deal with anything other but open KBxxxxxxx database and around a dozen 500MB Service Packs. Debugging is great in VS, but don't they say it's something to be avoided? Ah remembered now, Windows is still being debugged and patched daily, that's why.. wonder if it will ever stop.. Windows 15 and VS 2100 for the immortals? Regards, Mac FanBoiii
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Christian Graus wrote:
Eclipse does suck.
What sucks in it? From what I have used in developing Java applications. 1. Java refactoring works great 2. IDE is highly extensible and can do lot of things 3. Java intellisense works great I have had no complains with it so far. The only problems I had was the difference in paradigm from VS.
I agree - Eclipse was hard to get used to after years of VS, but once I learned it, its very nice and works extremely well for Java, on the plus side I can move projects freely between Linux, MAC and PC with few or no changes. I also use it for php based web app development and it works very well (the Aptana variant).
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This is a great project. I wonder how far MonoDevelop is from SharpDevelop these days.
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Company: OutcoderReally, really far way. I now use SharpDevelop at my job, it's so mature, stable and more lightweight than VS. (plus I get to spend the VS licence money on other software) I tried MonoDevelop on my Mac, and it just lacks features (mostly refacturing, but I think also SVN. It doesn't come with an equivalent of StyleCop. Apart from the GTK interface, that's what really bugged me). It will get there, SharpDevelop was horrible in version 1, useable in 2 and really nice in version 3, but I think the major adoption hurdle is a GTK-GUI, but this is a general Mono/cross-platform C# conundrum.
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Christian Graus wrote:
Eclipse does suck.
What sucks in it? From what I have used in developing Java applications. 1. Java refactoring works great 2. IDE is highly extensible and can do lot of things 3. Java intellisense works great I have had no complains with it so far. The only problems I had was the difference in paradigm from VS.
Rama Krishna Vavilala wrote:
What sucks in it?
Java.
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Joe Woodbury wrote:
In the C++ world, Borland had a chance to take Microsoft to the cleaners and totally blew it.
Well, in the early days of Boland they did take Microsoft to the cleaners. They beat them up badly, but then got toooooo big for their britches and boom, junk started coming out. I started on Lattice C and Microsoft C back in the good old days, but then came along Turbo C. Hmm.. $50 to almost $500... The programming world moved quickly and Microsoft was hurting for certian. Borland's price kept going up with quality going down and Microsoft's price coming down along with quality going up. Borland C++ 5.0 was a horrible pile of bad code and finally drove me back on the MS train and have not found a reason to get off the train yet ;) Although the price of some of their tools could crash the train, they have provided ways around those for those in need. While the Express line of tools may not be all that the commercail products are, it is great the hobbists have them to work with until they can move up. I could not image a free client/server database for free back in the day nor tools of the quality of the Express packages back then. Opps.. Sorry for running on there... :)
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That's what annoys me. I learned on TurboC and found it to be vastly superior to Microsoft C. I also agree that Borland C++ 5.0 was horrid (though I wasn't much impressed with 4.5 either.) I tried to use it, I really did, but after it corrupted its own project file multiple times I gave up.
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Mono works on the Mac too, right ? I assume there's no WPF support in Mono yet ? Eclipse does suck. It seems to me that no matter how much VS sucks, no team of volunteers is going to catch the head start MS has. They can write something simple and solid, but not match the feature set. Reading the ASP.NET forums, a lot of 'programmers' today are stuck when a wizard fails, when they can't build something by clicking the mouse a few times, so I can see this project creating something useful to programmers, but not to most people being paid to generate code today.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Christian Graus wrote:
It seems to me that no matter how much VS sucks, no team of volunteers is going to catch the head start MS has
Well, with MS apps. in general, historically, it's been the case that no matter how much we moan about them the alternatives have generally been even worse.
Kevin
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Miguel de Icaza, head of the Mono project, announced a new release of MonoDevelop[^], a multi-language IDE that now runs on Windows, Mac, and Linux.
We intend to make MonoDevelop the Eclipse of the .NET community. Just like Eclipse became the foundation for Java development, we hope that MonoDevelop will become the foundation for .NET development, and hopefully for much more than that.
On their multi-language support,
We are not religious when it comes to supporting other programming languages. We want to embrace not only .NET-based projects like Gtk#, Silverlight, ASP.NET, Boo, C#, F#, Visual Basic and Windows.Forms. We are also embracing other developer platforms like Python, C/C++, Vala, and we want to expand our presence to work with the Flash, PHP, Ruby, Rails, Flex and any other communities that need a cross platform IDE.
:cool: Anyone up for ditching Visual Studio? :-) In all seriousness, given the various designer headaches I've had with VS, I'm willing to try this alternative.
Religiously blogging on the intarwebs since the early 21st century: Kineti L'Tziyon Judah Himango
So if MonoDevelop is running on Windows what happens to SharpDevelop?
Kevin
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It takes enough time to load that I can get coffee and it's still loading when I come back
harold aptroot wrote:
It takes enough time to load that
So does VS.
Kevin
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Really, really far way. I now use SharpDevelop at my job, it's so mature, stable and more lightweight than VS. (plus I get to spend the VS licence money on other software) I tried MonoDevelop on my Mac, and it just lacks features (mostly refacturing, but I think also SVN. It doesn't come with an equivalent of StyleCop. Apart from the GTK interface, that's what really bugged me). It will get there, SharpDevelop was horrible in version 1, useable in 2 and really nice in version 3, but I think the major adoption hurdle is a GTK-GUI, but this is a general Mono/cross-platform C# conundrum.
I've been using SharpDevelop for F# recently as I don't have VS 2008 Pro and my VS 2008 Shell stopped working. F# dev is not as slick in SharpDevelop but it works.
Kevin
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They target multiple IDEs, environments, OS-es, test and build systems, not just VS or Windows or the utter MSBuild, VSS, web-services evolution and idiotism :) Btw, Rama nails it again.. just wish to add NetBeans, CMake, Code blocks, the lot really.. MonoDevelop and SharpDevelop are only to be applauded and hope they all keep it up. However, it all comes back to 'visual reinvention' of a basic skill, simple, portable and extensible command line tools. And don't worry about VS2010 reaching the level of hunger Eclipse requires to run. It's a WPF test case, an exercise in self-adoption at Redmond and that means only one thing: Awesome Display of Hanging Performance. Designed by the same younger generation copying Java, playing fair and taking it all further into the oblivion (along with the flock of fanboy sheep losing their folicles by the hour, all while the life passes by and software or build breaks the moment you deal with anything other but open KBxxxxxxx database and around a dozen 500MB Service Packs. Debugging is great in VS, but don't they say it's something to be avoided? Ah remembered now, Windows is still being debugged and patched daily, that's why.. wonder if it will ever stop.. Windows 15 and VS 2100 for the immortals? Regards, Mac FanBoiii
User of Users Group wrote:
simple, portable and extensible command line tools.
Have you ever actually used command line tools? They are rarely simple, frequently NOT portable, and unless you consider spitting out globs of text, then mangling it about with gum and duct tape, as "extensible", then I'm afraid you're completely out of your head! *nix is about as extensible as wooden spoon with no handle.
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