MCPD or MCSD
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Hi, If you have/planning to have one of those certificates which one will it be and why and what is the difference?? I know you'd say, go to Microsoft's website to find the answer but I want your own experience and maybe some useful book names you went through for the exams. Thank you!
We will either find a way, or make one! (\ /) (- .-) C(''')(''')
It would depend on which one was soft, strong and thoroughly absorbent. I'd have to be pretty hard pressed for a job to work for anyone who thought those things are worth anything at all.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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It would depend on which one was soft, strong and thoroughly absorbent. I'd have to be pretty hard pressed for a job to work for anyone who thought those things are worth anything at all.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
A lot of places value them simply for the partner points in my experience.
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A lot of places value them simply for the partner points in my experience.
Dave Parker wrote:
partner points
In which case it does not matter unless they represent different point values. I don't know a single developer who flaunts these enough that I know they have them. If they were on their resumes I didn't even notice.
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Hi, If you have/planning to have one of those certificates which one will it be and why and what is the difference?? I know you'd say, go to Microsoft's website to find the answer but I want your own experience and maybe some useful book names you went through for the exams. Thank you!
We will either find a way, or make one! (\ /) (- .-) C(''')(''')
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Hi, If you have/planning to have one of those certificates which one will it be and why and what is the difference?? I know you'd say, go to Microsoft's website to find the answer but I want your own experience and maybe some useful book names you went through for the exams. Thank you!
We will either find a way, or make one! (\ /) (- .-) C(''')(''')
I have over 6 years of experience in ASP.net and VB.net and I failed the test with missing 1 point. On the other hand, I know a friend who has only one year experience but studied TestKing questions and he passed the exam. These certifications are useless. You can get many of them if you solve enough TestKing questions before going to the exam.
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Hi, If you have/planning to have one of those certificates which one will it be and why and what is the difference?? I know you'd say, go to Microsoft's website to find the answer but I want your own experience and maybe some useful book names you went through for the exams. Thank you!
We will either find a way, or make one! (\ /) (- .-) C(''')(''')
You must get MCTS first then you can get MCPD. MCSD is old, from the time of .Net 1.1. If you achieve to get them both, that means that you are have a very good knowledge of .Net. And that is very usefull for your future Job. I have no University Degree, but with my Highschool and a MCTS Certificate I managed to get a job in Switzerland. So I can suggest you give it a try. I know many companies that work with .Net, and they don't care at all in which Univers. you have studied. Only if you own a certificate, you can convince them you are a good .Net Developer. Anyway, having a MS Certificate is allways good and positive.
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I have over 6 years of experience in ASP.net and VB.net and I failed the test with missing 1 point. On the other hand, I know a friend who has only one year experience but studied TestKing questions and he passed the exam. These certifications are useless. You can get many of them if you solve enough TestKing questions before going to the exam.
You are right, but who is the good developer between you. I also failed twice on the Desktop Support exams, but I had success with Programming. I think the time given for the exams is very short and limited, espacially for the Development Exams. About Testkings, I don't think they are a good thing. But it does not means that a Certificate is useless. If you get it with knowledge, it can be very usefull-
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Hi, If you have/planning to have one of those certificates which one will it be and why and what is the difference?? I know you'd say, go to Microsoft's website to find the answer but I want your own experience and maybe some useful book names you went through for the exams. Thank you!
We will either find a way, or make one! (\ /) (- .-) C(''')(''')
Well, one demonstrates your expertise in developing leading-edge enterprise solutions by using the Microsoft .NET Framework 1.0 and 1.1, and the other is a Microsoft Certified Police Department. I'd go with the police department.
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A lot of places value them simply for the partner points in my experience.
That's precisly why I'm having to do it...
C# has already designed away most of the tedium of C++.
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Hi, If you have/planning to have one of those certificates which one will it be and why and what is the difference?? I know you'd say, go to Microsoft's website to find the answer but I want your own experience and maybe some useful book names you went through for the exams. Thank you!
We will either find a way, or make one! (\ /) (- .-) C(''')(''')
I'm currently studying for MCSD as a part of our Gold Partner requirements. While initially I thought that it would be a waste of time, reading trough the cours materials is actually a fairly useful exercise. There were several areas where I "knew what I was doing", but in which turned out to be "sloppy"
C# has already designed away most of the tedium of C++.
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You are right, but who is the good developer between you. I also failed twice on the Desktop Support exams, but I had success with Programming. I think the time given for the exams is very short and limited, espacially for the Development Exams. About Testkings, I don't think they are a good thing. But it does not means that a Certificate is useless. If you get it with knowledge, it can be very usefull-
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I'm currently studying for MCSD as a part of our Gold Partner requirements. While initially I thought that it would be a waste of time, reading trough the cours materials is actually a fairly useful exercise. There were several areas where I "knew what I was doing", but in which turned out to be "sloppy"
C# has already designed away most of the tedium of C++.
I must say that earning the certificate has nothing to do with knowledge. Testking type of prep is the easiest and safest way to pass, but, once you have the title, you are suposed to perform at a level that certainly isn't at the reach of those that passed just with TestKing. So, IMHO, if you need the certification, go the Testking way. THEN, if you want/need to really know what you're doing, go to the library and/or get some experience. I think the training kit books are excellent. Codeproject is better. I've been into .Net development for over 6 years, and most of what I know I owe it to Codeproject. Finally, may I add that the best developers I've worked with have no M$ certification :P
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No, it's a self portait :-D
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We will either find a way, or make one! (\ /) (- .-) C(''')(''')
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You must get MCTS first then you can get MCPD. MCSD is old, from the time of .Net 1.1. If you achieve to get them both, that means that you are have a very good knowledge of .Net. And that is very usefull for your future Job. I have no University Degree, but with my Highschool and a MCTS Certificate I managed to get a job in Switzerland. So I can suggest you give it a try. I know many companies that work with .Net, and they don't care at all in which Univers. you have studied. Only if you own a certificate, you can convince them you are a good .Net Developer. Anyway, having a MS Certificate is allways good and positive.
I guess I'm going with MCPD then. Thank you!
We will either find a way, or make one! (\ /) (- .-) C(''')(''')
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I have over 6 years of experience in ASP.net and VB.net and I failed the test with missing 1 point. On the other hand, I know a friend who has only one year experience but studied TestKing questions and he passed the exam. These certifications are useless. You can get many of them if you solve enough TestKing questions before going to the exam.
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Hi, If you have/planning to have one of those certificates which one will it be and why and what is the difference?? I know you'd say, go to Microsoft's website to find the answer but I want your own experience and maybe some useful book names you went through for the exams. Thank you!
We will either find a way, or make one! (\ /) (- .-) C(''')(''')
Basically MCPD is the new MCSD. MCSD certs are geared towards .NET 1.x developers. If you are using .NET 2.0 or above you should consider one of the MCPD certs: Windows, Web, or Enterprise. IMHO, certs are nice to have but not required. Remember, there is no substitute for experience. You can be a proficient or even expert .NET developer without any help from certifications. But if you are a less experienced developer, and new to .NET then becoming certified will help you along the learning curve and MAYBE help you land a new job. I used many different sources to prepare for my MCPD: Web. Here they are in order of importance: Experience(real world and experimental), MSDN/Web, Professional ASP.NET 2.0(WROX book), Measure Up and Self Test practice exams, Instructor-led course from HOTT[^], MCPD Self-Paced Training Kit, and the MS Study Guides.
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I must say that earning the certificate has nothing to do with knowledge. Testking type of prep is the easiest and safest way to pass, but, once you have the title, you are suposed to perform at a level that certainly isn't at the reach of those that passed just with TestKing. So, IMHO, if you need the certification, go the Testking way. THEN, if you want/need to really know what you're doing, go to the library and/or get some experience. I think the training kit books are excellent. Codeproject is better. I've been into .Net development for over 6 years, and most of what I know I owe it to Codeproject. Finally, may I add that the best developers I've worked with have no M$ certification :P
I would respectfully disagree. While it is true that a certificate by itself does not indicate whether a person excels in the matter, an honest candidate would follow a course of study that leads to the certification and benefit in the process by gaining not only knowledge but also an increase in quality of the knowledge he/she already has. In general our experience provides knowledge in certain focused areas that widen as we have to solve more problems, but theory fills in the gaps and provides hints on better approaches for future challenges by showing what goes on behind the scene and how it works. I have met people on both sides, most of them favoring experience over a theoretical foundation, but also the other way around. In reality, a professional approach does not rule out either one of them, and hiring managers draw conclusions from our opinions on them as well. An experienced developer who is able to give examples of his proficiency shows them he is willing to go the extra mile by producing a related certification. In some cases, it can also expedite the hiring process. In summary, a certification could potentially be a good thing, but never a bad one. The question would then be: why not get it if you can?
Juanfer