Having Cleared Up The Apostrophe...
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The American Listing Comma. Commas are used to seperate clauses and to itemise listed items in a sentence. Commas are never to be used directly before a conjunction unless the conjunction is used as an indicative clause. Between the penultimate and ultimate items in a list the correct form to be used is the 'And'. Examples 1) I would often use a comma here, especially when writing to Americans, as this is the correct place. 2a) It is wrong to use a comma here, and here, because it looks awful. 2b) It is correct to use a comma here, and this can be proved, because it is an indicative clause. 3) In listing I would have Item 1, Item 2 and Item 3. American Media Comma: In American media it is oft seen that a comma seperates a two item list. Example "Obama asks for Money, Time, for Military" WRONG!!!! "Obama asks for Money and Time for military" The American Media Comma is an Evil, Ugly and Awkward thing and should be stamped out! It is up there with the Grocers Apostrophe and the European Dashed 7! Thankyou for your time.
------------------------------------ "Men may make bad decisions, immoral decisions or just plain wrong decisions, but at least they make decisions. Women on the other hand..." Patrick Kielty 2006
You can start GTOTD - Grammar tip of the day.:)
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The American Listing Comma. Commas are used to seperate clauses and to itemise listed items in a sentence. Commas are never to be used directly before a conjunction unless the conjunction is used as an indicative clause. Between the penultimate and ultimate items in a list the correct form to be used is the 'And'. Examples 1) I would often use a comma here, especially when writing to Americans, as this is the correct place. 2a) It is wrong to use a comma here, and here, because it looks awful. 2b) It is correct to use a comma here, and this can be proved, because it is an indicative clause. 3) In listing I would have Item 1, Item 2 and Item 3. American Media Comma: In American media it is oft seen that a comma seperates a two item list. Example "Obama asks for Money, Time, for Military" WRONG!!!! "Obama asks for Money and Time for military" The American Media Comma is an Evil, Ugly and Awkward thing and should be stamped out! It is up there with the Grocers Apostrophe and the European Dashed 7! Thankyou for your time.
------------------------------------ "Men may make bad decisions, immoral decisions or just plain wrong decisions, but at least they make decisions. Women on the other hand..." Patrick Kielty 2006
Dalek Dave wrote:
2a) It is wrong to use a comma here, and here, because it looks awful.
IMHO the second comma is acceptable, if not necessary. "Looking awful" is subjective and not part of the rules of English grammar!
I hope you realise that hamsters are very creative when it comes to revenge. - Elaine
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Dalek Dave wrote:
2a) It is wrong to use a comma here, and here, because it looks awful.
IMHO the second comma is acceptable, if not necessary. "Looking awful" is subjective and not part of the rules of English grammar!
I hope you realise that hamsters are very creative when it comes to revenge. - Elaine
The second comma is correct, the first is not. :) Well Spotted. Also Epic Fail! I forgot to put an Apostrophe in Grocers Apostrophe :( (My Bad) (Oh God, did I really say My Bad?)
------------------------------------ "Men may make bad decisions, immoral decisions or just plain wrong decisions, but at least they make decisions. Women on the other hand..." Patrick Kielty 2006
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The second comma is correct, the first is not. :) Well Spotted. Also Epic Fail! I forgot to put an Apostrophe in Grocers Apostrophe :( (My Bad) (Oh God, did I really say My Bad?)
------------------------------------ "Men may make bad decisions, immoral decisions or just plain wrong decisions, but at least they make decisions. Women on the other hand..." Patrick Kielty 2006
Dalek Dave wrote:
I forgot to put an Apostrophe in Grocers Apostrophe
:laugh:
I hope you realise that hamsters are very creative when it comes to revenge. - Elaine
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The second comma is correct, the first is not. :) Well Spotted. Also Epic Fail! I forgot to put an Apostrophe in Grocers Apostrophe :( (My Bad) (Oh God, did I really say My Bad?)
------------------------------------ "Men may make bad decisions, immoral decisions or just plain wrong decisions, but at least they make decisions. Women on the other hand..." Patrick Kielty 2006
I assumed it was a deliberate omission.
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As in Got any veras - sorted?
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The American Listing Comma. Commas are used to seperate clauses and to itemise listed items in a sentence. Commas are never to be used directly before a conjunction unless the conjunction is used as an indicative clause. Between the penultimate and ultimate items in a list the correct form to be used is the 'And'. Examples 1) I would often use a comma here, especially when writing to Americans, as this is the correct place. 2a) It is wrong to use a comma here, and here, because it looks awful. 2b) It is correct to use a comma here, and this can be proved, because it is an indicative clause. 3) In listing I would have Item 1, Item 2 and Item 3. American Media Comma: In American media it is oft seen that a comma seperates a two item list. Example "Obama asks for Money, Time, for Military" WRONG!!!! "Obama asks for Money and Time for military" The American Media Comma is an Evil, Ugly and Awkward thing and should be stamped out! It is up there with the Grocers Apostrophe and the European Dashed 7! Thankyou for your time.
------------------------------------ "Men may make bad decisions, immoral decisions or just plain wrong decisions, but at least they make decisions. Women on the other hand..." Patrick Kielty 2006
I dash my seven's and my zee's ;-)
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I dash my seven's and my zee's ;-)
Zee? ZEE? Don't get me started on Zee! At least Canadians know it is a Zed!
------------------------------------ "Men may make bad decisions, immoral decisions or just plain wrong decisions, but at least they make decisions. Women on the other hand..." Patrick Kielty 2006
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The American Listing Comma. Commas are used to seperate clauses and to itemise listed items in a sentence. Commas are never to be used directly before a conjunction unless the conjunction is used as an indicative clause. Between the penultimate and ultimate items in a list the correct form to be used is the 'And'. Examples 1) I would often use a comma here, especially when writing to Americans, as this is the correct place. 2a) It is wrong to use a comma here, and here, because it looks awful. 2b) It is correct to use a comma here, and this can be proved, because it is an indicative clause. 3) In listing I would have Item 1, Item 2 and Item 3. American Media Comma: In American media it is oft seen that a comma seperates a two item list. Example "Obama asks for Money, Time, for Military" WRONG!!!! "Obama asks for Money and Time for military" The American Media Comma is an Evil, Ugly and Awkward thing and should be stamped out! It is up there with the Grocers Apostrophe and the European Dashed 7! Thankyou for your time.
------------------------------------ "Men may make bad decisions, immoral decisions or just plain wrong decisions, but at least they make decisions. Women on the other hand..." Patrick Kielty 2006
Dalek Dave wrote:
this can be proved
:doh: I would expect you to prefer proven over proved every time. A quick google was inconclusive, maybe because the majority of hits looked USish. :)
Luc Pattyn
Local announcement (Antwerp region): Lange Wapper? Neen!
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Dalek Dave wrote:
this can be proved
:doh: I would expect you to prefer proven over proved every time. A quick google was inconclusive, maybe because the majority of hits looked USish. :)
Luc Pattyn
Local announcement (Antwerp region): Lange Wapper? Neen!
Proved is poast participle, proven is present imperfect (I think). Thus... The case has not been Proved. The case is not Proven. Actually I need to think about this one.
------------------------------------ "Men may make bad decisions, immoral decisions or just plain wrong decisions, but at least they make decisions. Women on the other hand..." Patrick Kielty 2006
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Proved is poast participle, proven is present imperfect (I think). Thus... The case has not been Proved. The case is not Proven. Actually I need to think about this one.
------------------------------------ "Men may make bad decisions, immoral decisions or just plain wrong decisions, but at least they make decisions. Women on the other hand..." Patrick Kielty 2006
Dalek Dave wrote:
I need to think
Please do. Then maybe start a new thread. :laugh:
Luc Pattyn
Local announcement (Antwerp region): Lange Wapper? Neen!
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The American Listing Comma. Commas are used to seperate clauses and to itemise listed items in a sentence. Commas are never to be used directly before a conjunction unless the conjunction is used as an indicative clause. Between the penultimate and ultimate items in a list the correct form to be used is the 'And'. Examples 1) I would often use a comma here, especially when writing to Americans, as this is the correct place. 2a) It is wrong to use a comma here, and here, because it looks awful. 2b) It is correct to use a comma here, and this can be proved, because it is an indicative clause. 3) In listing I would have Item 1, Item 2 and Item 3. American Media Comma: In American media it is oft seen that a comma seperates a two item list. Example "Obama asks for Money, Time, for Military" WRONG!!!! "Obama asks for Money and Time for military" The American Media Comma is an Evil, Ugly and Awkward thing and should be stamped out! It is up there with the Grocers Apostrophe and the European Dashed 7! Thankyou for your time.
------------------------------------ "Men may make bad decisions, immoral decisions or just plain wrong decisions, but at least they make decisions. Women on the other hand..." Patrick Kielty 2006
Thanks to starting to learn about computers with punched cards and paper tapes, I still use the Dashed 7 - it prevents it being confused with 1 or T. I also use slashed zero to differentiate it from "Uppercase Ohh". And Dashed Zed since 2 looks the same. If your handwriting is as bad as mine, you'd need all the help you could get, too!
No trees were harmed in the sending of this message; however, a significant number of electrons were slightly inconvenienced. This message is made of fully recyclable Zeros and Ones
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Thanks to starting to learn about computers with punched cards and paper tapes, I still use the Dashed 7 - it prevents it being confused with 1 or T. I also use slashed zero to differentiate it from "Uppercase Ohh". And Dashed Zed since 2 looks the same. If your handwriting is as bad as mine, you'd need all the help you could get, too!
No trees were harmed in the sending of this message; however, a significant number of electrons were slightly inconvenienced. This message is made of fully recyclable Zeros and Ones
OK Guilty, I dash my Zeroes!
------------------------------------ "I'm going to walk around a field dangling my keys on a bit of string until I hear whistling noise. " Steve Harris 2009
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As in Got any veras - sorted?
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The American Listing Comma. Commas are used to seperate clauses and to itemise listed items in a sentence. Commas are never to be used directly before a conjunction unless the conjunction is used as an indicative clause. Between the penultimate and ultimate items in a list the correct form to be used is the 'And'. Examples 1) I would often use a comma here, especially when writing to Americans, as this is the correct place. 2a) It is wrong to use a comma here, and here, because it looks awful. 2b) It is correct to use a comma here, and this can be proved, because it is an indicative clause. 3) In listing I would have Item 1, Item 2 and Item 3. American Media Comma: In American media it is oft seen that a comma seperates a two item list. Example "Obama asks for Money, Time, for Military" WRONG!!!! "Obama asks for Money and Time for military" The American Media Comma is an Evil, Ugly and Awkward thing and should be stamped out! It is up there with the Grocers Apostrophe and the European Dashed 7! Thankyou for your time.
------------------------------------ "Men may make bad decisions, immoral decisions or just plain wrong decisions, but at least they make decisions. Women on the other hand..." Patrick Kielty 2006
As an American, I totally, like, agree, man!
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The American Listing Comma. Commas are used to seperate clauses and to itemise listed items in a sentence. Commas are never to be used directly before a conjunction unless the conjunction is used as an indicative clause. Between the penultimate and ultimate items in a list the correct form to be used is the 'And'. Examples 1) I would often use a comma here, especially when writing to Americans, as this is the correct place. 2a) It is wrong to use a comma here, and here, because it looks awful. 2b) It is correct to use a comma here, and this can be proved, because it is an indicative clause. 3) In listing I would have Item 1, Item 2 and Item 3. American Media Comma: In American media it is oft seen that a comma seperates a two item list. Example "Obama asks for Money, Time, for Military" WRONG!!!! "Obama asks for Money and Time for military" The American Media Comma is an Evil, Ugly and Awkward thing and should be stamped out! It is up there with the Grocers Apostrophe and the European Dashed 7! Thankyou for your time.
------------------------------------ "Men may make bad decisions, immoral decisions or just plain wrong decisions, but at least they make decisions. Women on the other hand..." Patrick Kielty 2006
Seeing as you're in the mood, how about sorting out the use of there and their? Brady was today's offender.
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Proved is poast participle, proven is present imperfect (I think). Thus... The case has not been Proved. The case is not Proven. Actually I need to think about this one.
------------------------------------ "Men may make bad decisions, immoral decisions or just plain wrong decisions, but at least they make decisions. Women on the other hand..." Patrick Kielty 2006
Dalek Dave wrote:
The case has not been Proved. The case is not Proven.
actually, it's the exact opposite. The case has not been proven. The case is not proved.
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Zee? ZEE? Don't get me started on Zee! At least Canadians know it is a Zed!
------------------------------------ "Men may make bad decisions, immoral decisions or just plain wrong decisions, but at least they make decisions. Women on the other hand..." Patrick Kielty 2006
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As in Brit: "There is a problem with this machine. We need it sorted." Me: "No, you don't need it sorted. You need it adjusted, repaired or replaced. Sorting it would merely arrange it in a specific order in relation to other machines."
