C++ Anyone?
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I'm looking into getting back into software development. I think this is the perfect opportunity to consider abandoning MS/.net and get on the solid platform that C++ has to offer. Are there any C++ programmers out there that program in C++ because they like it more than .net?
No.
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WPF, in my opinion, it is for junk software. That crap that comes with store bought computers and add-on hardware is super-bloated junk that tries to compete with all the other software for the users attention by using big round flashing buttons and giant windows with nothing of real substance in them. I want to write real code that isn't some marketing scam from MS that is going to become obsolete in a year or two and force everyone to learn another three letter acronym and buy a whole new bookshelf full of books.
C#. You predicted it, you follow that road. It is a very competitive choice these days, but you must be 'a master', as I am, hehe. I joke, but I actually am. Extra, read all about it: JavaScript is becoming huge, and not just as a 'little scripting language'. Try and get to know the real metal for JS, and you will have another solid direction. It will give you an intro to dynamic, functional programming, e.g. F#, Scheme, Python, Haskell, maybe Ruby, etc. Where functions get to be objects. Wow, if I hadn't had like 16 beers, I would go and write some code, but just because I've had the beers, don't discard what I've said.
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I'm looking into getting back into software development. I think this is the perfect opportunity to consider abandoning MS/.net and get on the solid platform that C++ has to offer. Are there any C++ programmers out there that program in C++ because they like it more than .net?
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Are there any C++ programmers out there that program in C++ because they like it more than .net?
That'll be me :-) Although as .NET is a class library + runtime rather than a language, it's not really comparing apples with apples. What I prefer about C++ is the capabilities that templates can open up (see the Boost libraries[^]), the fact that not everything is a class and (let's face it) my familiarity with it. I've used C# some - it's just not especially more suited for the software I develop than C++.
Java, Basic, who cares - it's all a bunch of tree-hugging hippy cr*p
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I'm looking into getting back into software development. I think this is the perfect opportunity to consider abandoning MS/.net and get on the solid platform that C++ has to offer. Are there any C++ programmers out there that program in C++ because they like it more than .net?
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Are there any C++ programmers out there that program in C++ because they like it more than .net?
That'll be me :-) Although as .NET is a class library + runtime rather than a language, it's not really comparing apples with apples. What I prefer about C++ is the capabilities that templates can open up (see the Boost libraries[^]), the fact that not everything is a class and (let's face it) my familiarity with it. I've used C# some - it's just not especially more suited for the software I develop than C++.
Java, Basic, who cares - it's all a bunch of tree-hugging hippy cr*p
Templates? What about bloody generics and dynamics in C#? Care to step outside, 'ere', while it's pissin' Joburg rain, 'n sort this now? :rose:
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Templates? What about bloody generics and dynamics in C#? Care to step outside, 'ere', while it's pissin' Joburg rain, 'n sort this now? :rose:
Ha! My templates'll kick sand in your generics's faces like the 50 pound weaklings they are! ;P
Java, Basic, who cares - it's all a bunch of tree-hugging hippy cr*p
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Ha! My templates'll kick sand in your generics's faces like the 50 pound weaklings they are! ;P
Java, Basic, who cares - it's all a bunch of tree-hugging hippy cr*p
We're going to need an independent fight referee here. Java?
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We're going to need an independent fight referee here. Java?
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Na - Java's too close to C# - Lisp's the best bet - Lisp looks down on ALL languages :-)
Java, Basic, who cares - it's all a bunch of tree-hugging hippy cr*p
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Na - Java's too close to C# - Lisp's the best bet - Lisp looks down on ALL languages :-)
Java, Basic, who cares - it's all a bunch of tree-hugging hippy cr*p
Ah, so you're looking for the older fellas. In that case, I'd say signals. Nothing can compare to that.
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We're going to need an independent fight referee here. Java?
If the post was helpful, please vote, eh! Current activities: Book: Devils by Fyodor Dostoyevsky Project: Hospital Automation, final stage Learning: Image analysis, LINQ Now and forever, defiant to the end. What is Multiple Sclerosis[^]?
Puhleeez! Java? Meh! I'll stand mine own, I've done both and generics are the shit! Dynamics were convincingly omitted from Stuarts retort.
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Ha! My templates'll kick sand in your generics's faces like the 50 pound weaklings they are! ;P
Java, Basic, who cares - it's all a bunch of tree-hugging hippy cr*p
BTW, Generics are much, much more functional than templates, and we all know we're all going functional, hey?
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BTW, Generics are much, much more functional than templates, and we all know we're all going functional, hey?
To be serious for a moment…C++ templates actually make-up a compile-time pure functional programming language over the C++ type system, possibly (probably, I'm not entirely sure) with lazy evaluation as well. So I suspect they're rather more functional than the C# generics :-)
Java, Basic, who cares - it's all a bunch of tree-hugging hippy cr*p
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To be serious for a moment…C++ templates actually make-up a compile-time pure functional programming language over the C++ type system, possibly (probably, I'm not entirely sure) with lazy evaluation as well. So I suspect they're rather more functional than the C# generics :-)
Java, Basic, who cares - it's all a bunch of tree-hugging hippy cr*p
Now that you explained that, the jury is still out (I only know that C# generics are not purely compile time, in that they are only JIT compile time, and seem to have been aimed at furthering the functional qualification of the .NET languages, of course starting with C#). Generics, including function types like lambdas and delegates, seem to have been part of a conspiracy to use LINQ as a subtle wedge in the door to bring C# up to the functional expectations of the non-MS world. It seems to be working.
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I'm looking into getting back into software development. I think this is the perfect opportunity to consider abandoning MS/.net and get on the solid platform that C++ has to offer. Are there any C++ programmers out there that program in C++ because they like it more than .net?
Why are people down-voting CSS on this post? You might think he's a poes on the SoapBox, but a totally legitimate developer question should not attract down-votes. You people can often be such small minded poesses. (Sorry if I didn't spell that right)
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WPF, in my opinion, it is for junk software. That crap that comes with store bought computers and add-on hardware is super-bloated junk that tries to compete with all the other software for the users attention by using big round flashing buttons and giant windows with nothing of real substance in them. I want to write real code that isn't some marketing scam from MS that is going to become obsolete in a year or two and force everyone to learn another three letter acronym and buy a whole new bookshelf full of books.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
WPF, in my opinion, it is for junk software.
Well, that's interesting. Why are you using windows at all then ? That's obviously just a scam, you should be using a command line only.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
I want to write real code that isn't some marketing scam from MS that is going to become obsolete in a year or two and force everyone to learn another three letter acronym and buy a whole new bookshelf full of books.
Well, C++ is obviously trapped in a certain period in time and is unlikely to progress too much, so you're right that that is where you should be. C would perhaps work for you even better.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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Why are people down-voting CSS on this post? You might think he's a poes on the SoapBox, but a totally legitimate developer question should not attract down-votes. You people can often be such small minded poesses. (Sorry if I didn't spell that right)
While I agree, he's pretty much brought it upon himself IMO.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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To be serious for a moment…C++ templates actually make-up a compile-time pure functional programming language over the C++ type system, possibly (probably, I'm not entirely sure) with lazy evaluation as well. So I suspect they're rather more functional than the C# generics :-)
Java, Basic, who cares - it's all a bunch of tree-hugging hippy cr*p
C# generics are plain anaemic compares to C++ templates. It's part of the overall design philosophy to make C# easy to use rather than powerful if there's ever a choice between the two. That's serious, I was told that by the C# team.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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No.
errr... Yes.
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I'm looking into getting back into software development. I think this is the perfect opportunity to consider abandoning MS/.net and get on the solid platform that C++ has to offer. Are there any C++ programmers out there that program in C++ because they like it more than .net?
That is what I will do. You feel part of some sort of nobility (albeit recognized only by your peers) when you can run the whole gamut of ATL, WTL, STL. It's the .Net Framework that killed C++ on Windows and only the framework. If librairies as complete and unified could enter the arena, the language would be revived by popular demand. But I am pessimistic. Nevertheless, although a chilly pain since its inception due to the asinian lack of librairies, C++ is still firmly anchored. It ages well and it remains definitely OK for cross-platform development (wxWidgets, Qt and others ...).
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That is what I will do. You feel part of some sort of nobility (albeit recognized only by your peers) when you can run the whole gamut of ATL, WTL, STL. It's the .Net Framework that killed C++ on Windows and only the framework. If librairies as complete and unified could enter the arena, the language would be revived by popular demand. But I am pessimistic. Nevertheless, although a chilly pain since its inception due to the asinian lack of librairies, C++ is still firmly anchored. It ages well and it remains definitely OK for cross-platform development (wxWidgets, Qt and others ...).
Simple Inheritance wrote:
Nevertheless, although a chilly pain since its inception due to the asinian lack of librairies,
Agreed. The lack of some sort of standardized libraries is incomprehensible. .NET and Java puts so many tools in the developer's hand while C++ only has STL to offer and
vertorisn't all it's made up to be.
"When you have made evil the means of survival, do not expect men to remain good. Do not expect them to stay moral and lose their lives for the purpose of becoming the fodder of the immoral. Do not expect them to produce, when production is punished and looting rewarded. Do not ask, `Who is destroying the world?' You are."
-Atlas Shrugged, Ayn Rand