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What 'Architecture' is the brain?

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  • E Euhemerus

    As processor data and addressing widths have increased overtime from Intel's 4004 4bit processor to the now very common 64bit AMDs and Intels and then on to multicore, this got me on to thinking as to what 'architecture' the human brain might be; if it is at all comparable to a slice of silicon. My own thoughts on the matter are it must be at least a 16 bit/16+ core processor backed up with several 100 GBytes of memory, but with a poor memory management system! My reason for only 16bits is have you ever tried multiplying or dividing two 4 digit numbers in your head? Or tried to remember an eleven digit phone number someone has just told you; hence the poor memory management system? The 16+ cores; well when you think what the brain does consciously and unconsciously and all the parallel processing that takes place, one or two cores just wouldn't be enough.

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    Henry Minute
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    I don't know about yours but mine is definitely Poroustronic! :)

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    • E Euhemerus

      As processor data and addressing widths have increased overtime from Intel's 4004 4bit processor to the now very common 64bit AMDs and Intels and then on to multicore, this got me on to thinking as to what 'architecture' the human brain might be; if it is at all comparable to a slice of silicon. My own thoughts on the matter are it must be at least a 16 bit/16+ core processor backed up with several 100 GBytes of memory, but with a poor memory management system! My reason for only 16bits is have you ever tried multiplying or dividing two 4 digit numbers in your head? Or tried to remember an eleven digit phone number someone has just told you; hence the poor memory management system? The 16+ cores; well when you think what the brain does consciously and unconsciously and all the parallel processing that takes place, one or two cores just wouldn't be enough.

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      Tapsnapper wrote:

      Or tried to remember an eleven digit phone number someone has just told you

      Party trick of mine in high school after using an associative memory recall technique. Haven't tried it in years and don't actively use the memory recall techniques any more. Close friends reckon I have "the memory of an elephant", I reckon I'm just genetically predisposed. Or something.

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      • E Euhemerus

        As processor data and addressing widths have increased overtime from Intel's 4004 4bit processor to the now very common 64bit AMDs and Intels and then on to multicore, this got me on to thinking as to what 'architecture' the human brain might be; if it is at all comparable to a slice of silicon. My own thoughts on the matter are it must be at least a 16 bit/16+ core processor backed up with several 100 GBytes of memory, but with a poor memory management system! My reason for only 16bits is have you ever tried multiplying or dividing two 4 digit numbers in your head? Or tried to remember an eleven digit phone number someone has just told you; hence the poor memory management system? The 16+ cores; well when you think what the brain does consciously and unconsciously and all the parallel processing that takes place, one or two cores just wouldn't be enough.

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        • R Russell Jones

          I would say it's more along the lines of an analogue neural network.

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          Euhemerus
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          A neural network you say. Hmmmm, could this be likened to distributed computing such as BOINC then?

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            Mine is Doric, with a little Gothic Perpendicular.

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            • E Euhemerus

              A neural network you say. Hmmmm, could this be likened to distributed computing such as BOINC then?

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              No.

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                It's just baroque'n'roll but I like it.

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                You are just saying that to Tudor fat!

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                • E Euhemerus

                  As processor data and addressing widths have increased overtime from Intel's 4004 4bit processor to the now very common 64bit AMDs and Intels and then on to multicore, this got me on to thinking as to what 'architecture' the human brain might be; if it is at all comparable to a slice of silicon. My own thoughts on the matter are it must be at least a 16 bit/16+ core processor backed up with several 100 GBytes of memory, but with a poor memory management system! My reason for only 16bits is have you ever tried multiplying or dividing two 4 digit numbers in your head? Or tried to remember an eleven digit phone number someone has just told you; hence the poor memory management system? The 16+ cores; well when you think what the brain does consciously and unconsciously and all the parallel processing that takes place, one or two cores just wouldn't be enough.

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                  Tapsnapper wrote:

                  My reason for only 16bits is have you ever tried multiplying or dividing two 4 digit numbers in your head? Or tried to remember an eleven digit phone number someone has just told you; hence the poor memory management system?

                  Yes, but I bet you can catch a ball. That's far more complex mental arithmetic than dividing big numbers. http://mathforum.org/library/drmath/view/56348.html[^]

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                    You are just saying that to Tudor fat!

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                      Mine is Doric, with a little Gothic Perpendicular.

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                      Not a romantic ruin? :-D

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                        Life's like a Deco cards..

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                        Ionic alled your attention to it becasue you are noveau rich!

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                          Tapsnapper wrote:

                          My reason for only 16bits is have you ever tried multiplying or dividing two 4 digit numbers in your head? Or tried to remember an eleven digit phone number someone has just told you; hence the poor memory management system?

                          Yes, but I bet you can catch a ball. That's far more complex mental arithmetic than dividing big numbers. http://mathforum.org/library/drmath/view/56348.html[^]

                          Help me! I'm turning into a grapefruit! Buzzwords!

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                          I would have to disagree. I understand where you're coming from though, however, my two year old can catch a ball thrown to her, and I would say that she certainly doesn't have any comprehension of metal arithmatic. Maybe this is a case for sub-conscious mental arithmatic coming into play. Like any form of learning, it becomes easier over time, yet the maths would remain the same in the case of catching a ball. Is this a case of the brain refining its calculations?

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                          • E Euhemerus

                            As processor data and addressing widths have increased overtime from Intel's 4004 4bit processor to the now very common 64bit AMDs and Intels and then on to multicore, this got me on to thinking as to what 'architecture' the human brain might be; if it is at all comparable to a slice of silicon. My own thoughts on the matter are it must be at least a 16 bit/16+ core processor backed up with several 100 GBytes of memory, but with a poor memory management system! My reason for only 16bits is have you ever tried multiplying or dividing two 4 digit numbers in your head? Or tried to remember an eleven digit phone number someone has just told you; hence the poor memory management system? The 16+ cores; well when you think what the brain does consciously and unconsciously and all the parallel processing that takes place, one or two cores just wouldn't be enough.

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                            Rama Krishna Vavilala
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                            Tapsnapper wrote:

                            hence the poor memory management system?

                            Your brain can remember thousands of shapes, figures and faces. How much memory does a computer need for that?

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                            • E Euhemerus

                              As processor data and addressing widths have increased overtime from Intel's 4004 4bit processor to the now very common 64bit AMDs and Intels and then on to multicore, this got me on to thinking as to what 'architecture' the human brain might be; if it is at all comparable to a slice of silicon. My own thoughts on the matter are it must be at least a 16 bit/16+ core processor backed up with several 100 GBytes of memory, but with a poor memory management system! My reason for only 16bits is have you ever tried multiplying or dividing two 4 digit numbers in your head? Or tried to remember an eleven digit phone number someone has just told you; hence the poor memory management system? The 16+ cores; well when you think what the brain does consciously and unconsciously and all the parallel processing that takes place, one or two cores just wouldn't be enough.

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                              Rajesh R Subramanian
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                              Whatever may be the architecture, but while making the design of my brain, The Almighty decided to dedicate a fairly large amount of processing power to a separate unit, that enables me to do excellent manual transmission. :)

                              “Follow your bliss.” – Joseph Campbell

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                              • R Rama Krishna Vavilala

                                Tapsnapper wrote:

                                hence the poor memory management system?

                                Your brain can remember thousands of shapes, figures and faces. How much memory does a computer need for that?

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                                Rama Krishna Vavilala wrote:

                                Your brain can remember thousands of shapes, figures and faces. How much memory does a computer need for that?

                                Well I did say several hundred GBytes, maybe I should revise that to several hundred terabytes or even petabytes! Which also leads to another interesting question, can you exhaust the storage capacity of the brain or would it work like a FIFO system - First In, First Out?

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                                  Whatever may be the architecture, but while making the design of my brain, The Almighty decided to dedicate a fairly large amount of processing power to a separate unit, that enables me to do excellent manual transmission. :)

                                  “Follow your bliss.” – Joseph Campbell

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                                  It's just the hardware that has reliability problems!

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                                  • R Rajesh R Subramanian

                                    Whatever may be the architecture, but while making the design of my brain, The Almighty decided to dedicate a fairly large amount of processing power to a separate unit, that enables me to do excellent manual transmission. :)

                                    “Follow your bliss.” – Joseph Campbell

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                                    Euhemerus
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                                    LOL.

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                                    • D Dalek Dave

                                      It's just the hardware that has reliability problems!

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                                      Dalek Dave wrote:

                                      It's just the hardware that has reliability problems!

                                      Yes, but only while kept close (1 meter or less) to specimens of opposite sex. Turns out to be unpredictable. :) But never had an issue with doing manual transmission. Even in the presence of the said specimen, which actually enhances the capabilities. ;)

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                                        • E Euhemerus

                                          As processor data and addressing widths have increased overtime from Intel's 4004 4bit processor to the now very common 64bit AMDs and Intels and then on to multicore, this got me on to thinking as to what 'architecture' the human brain might be; if it is at all comparable to a slice of silicon. My own thoughts on the matter are it must be at least a 16 bit/16+ core processor backed up with several 100 GBytes of memory, but with a poor memory management system! My reason for only 16bits is have you ever tried multiplying or dividing two 4 digit numbers in your head? Or tried to remember an eleven digit phone number someone has just told you; hence the poor memory management system? The 16+ cores; well when you think what the brain does consciously and unconsciously and all the parallel processing that takes place, one or two cores just wouldn't be enough.

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                                          At least the higher level functions ("the human") are implemented in a huge, freely reprogrammable FPGA, also known as the cortex. The hardware elements are not uniform, there are special elements like spindle neurons which nontheless work more or less by the same principle. Unlike todays FPGA's, the nodes support fuzzy logic, can be reinforced / dampened on the fly / by read access. The lower level functions ("the animal") are distributed over the huge lump blow the cortex, work (in my understanding of what we know today) similar, but with different specializations and importance of initial state.

                                          Personally, I love the idea that Raymond spends his nights posting bad regexs to mailing lists under the pseudonym of Jane Smith. He'd be like a super hero, only more nerdy and less useful. [Trevel]
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