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Visual Studio 2010 Beta 2 released

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  • J Judah Gabriel Himango

    New beta bits for VS 2010, .NET 4[^]. Oh, and a new MSDN[^], too, with lightweight[^] and script-free[^] versions to boot. :cool:

    Religiously blogging on the intarwebs since the early 21st century: Kineti L'Tziyon Judah Himango

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    Judah Himango wrote:

    Oh, and a new MSDN[^], too, with lightweight[^] and script-free[^] versions to boot. Cool

    Well now, that is nice! And clearly demonstrates just how bloated and slow the "classic" MSDN really is. That said, I'm a bit perplexed as to why there is so much JavaScript in the "lightweight" version compared to "script-free"1 - it certainly doesn't appear to do much... I rather hope they re-think that a bit, and just make one version of the HTML that gracefully degrades when the scripts aren't loaded. And if they stopped assigning those stupidly long WebForms ids on every single link, they could easily shave off a few more KB on both of the new formats... 1Which, incidentally, isn't...

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    • J Joe Woodbury

      The new MSDN has hideous fonts, but if I turn on ClearType, then it's all fuzzy and gives me a headache. Sigh.

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      Looks like they stuck with Courier (for code) in the "script-free" version. Unfortunately, while the font is ridiculously large in "lightweight", it's painfully small in "script-free"... :sigh:

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      • J Judah Gabriel Himango

        New beta bits for VS 2010, .NET 4[^]. Oh, and a new MSDN[^], too, with lightweight[^] and script-free[^] versions to boot. :cool:

        Religiously blogging on the intarwebs since the early 21st century: Kineti L'Tziyon Judah Himango

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        Stuart Dootson
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        The script-free one's quickest and best looking on Safari - that'll do me :-)

        Java, Basic, who cares - it's all a bunch of tree-hugging hippy cr*p

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        • J Judah Gabriel Himango

          New beta bits for VS 2010, .NET 4[^]. Oh, and a new MSDN[^], too, with lightweight[^] and script-free[^] versions to boot. :cool:

          Religiously blogging on the intarwebs since the early 21st century: Kineti L'Tziyon Judah Himango

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          leppie
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          Ooooo, they claim WPF text rendering to be rewritten and fixed! Maybe I will try it now :)

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          • J Joshua Quick

            Wow... the Lightweight version of MSDN is pretty nice and faster too. I'm glad they're finally cleaning it up.

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            Oh My God. On a good line, it probably twice as fast as desktop MSDN.

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              Looks like they stuck with Courier (for code) in the "script-free" version. Unfortunately, while the font is ridiculously large in "lightweight", it's painfully small in "script-free"... :sigh:

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              The script-free version seems to be using Consolas (as I set in my preferences) with Safari on OS X...

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                Ooooo, they claim WPF text rendering to be rewritten and fixed! Maybe I will try it now :)

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                Judah Gabriel Himango
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                Visual Studio being the largest consumer of WPF (and thus, biggest complainer of WPF bugs) is actually a great thing for WPF. They've fixed numerous leaks, bugs, and slow parts of WPF, all because VS has used it all over the place. :cool:

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                  The script-free version seems to be using Consolas (as I set in my preferences) with Safari on OS X...

                  Java, Basic, who cares - it's all a bunch of tree-hugging hippy cr*p

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                  Odd. I'm definitely looking at Courier, and haven't touched any preferences (Firefox, Win7). On a side note, the font size seems pretty decent on the WPF pages, but sucks on WinAPI topics[^]...

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                  • J Judah Gabriel Himango

                    Visual Studio being the largest consumer of WPF (and thus, biggest complainer of WPF bugs) is actually a great thing for WPF. They've fixed numerous leaks, bugs, and slow parts of WPF, all because VS has used it all over the place. :cool:

                    Religiously blogging on the intarwebs since the early 21st century: Kineti L'Tziyon Judah Himango

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                    leppie
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                    I'm quickly installing the express version to satisfy my curiosity :)

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                    • J Judah Gabriel Himango

                      Visual Studio being the largest consumer of WPF (and thus, biggest complainer of WPF bugs) is actually a great thing for WPF. They've fixed numerous leaks, bugs, and slow parts of WPF, all because VS has used it all over the place. :cool:

                      Religiously blogging on the intarwebs since the early 21st century: Kineti L'Tziyon Judah Himango

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                      Wow, it is almost looking real good, some fuzziness still, but hardly visible :) Fonts seem to scale lovely too.

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                      • L leppie

                        Wow, it is almost looking real good, some fuzziness still, but hardly visible :) Fonts seem to scale lovely too.

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                        Judah Gabriel Himango
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                        Glad to hear it. I'll be giving it a spin tonight.

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                          Odd. I'm definitely looking at Courier, and haven't touched any preferences (Firefox, Win7). On a side note, the font size seems pretty decent on the WPF pages, but sucks on WinAPI topics[^]...

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                          Wouldn't surprise me if Safari's quite happy to ignore what the website asks for - it's the Apple way… But interestingly, the WPF documentation displays in Courier on Safari (unlike the Win32 topics) and looks generally shonky. Bizarro.

                          Java, Basic, who cares - it's all a bunch of tree-hugging hippy cr*p

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