Urrrm so how do ya crack the Office XP registration
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Just joking :) Its a good idea that the security is so tight, but if I lose my CD number what happens? Does Office XP blast out IP packets telling M$ that the software is not registered yet, and I suppose some WAREZ/CRACKZ site has probably cracked it anyway. And will M$ do the same with MS Dev.net; register on-line or ring some M$ number that you can't get an answer for 'cos all the lines are busy! Is this going too far? Thoughts on this one please, after all, if you write software you don't won't the whole world rippin' off the stuff poured your heart out developing. Norm
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Just joking :) Its a good idea that the security is so tight, but if I lose my CD number what happens? Does Office XP blast out IP packets telling M$ that the software is not registered yet, and I suppose some WAREZ/CRACKZ site has probably cracked it anyway. And will M$ do the same with MS Dev.net; register on-line or ring some M$ number that you can't get an answer for 'cos all the lines are busy! Is this going too far? Thoughts on this one please, after all, if you write software you don't won't the whole world rippin' off the stuff poured your heart out developing. Norm
From what I have read, and you may already know this, is the registration number is only good once or twice. After that you have to call Microsoft and get a new registration number. To one who likes to reformat his computer once every 3 or 4 months, this is ridiculus. I will stick with Office 2000 or I can always pull out my Word 6.0 diskettes. ;) Wayne
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From what I have read, and you may already know this, is the registration number is only good once or twice. After that you have to call Microsoft and get a new registration number. To one who likes to reformat his computer once every 3 or 4 months, this is ridiculus. I will stick with Office 2000 or I can always pull out my Word 6.0 diskettes. ;) Wayne
It still works if you just format the disk, but don't change too much of the hardware... But, if you format the disk, and change most of the hardware in the computer, you have to call MS. As you say the code is god once or tvice, but that's on different computers. The first time you use the code to register online, it generates another code based on some of your hardware, as long as you use the same hardware, you can use the code over and over... - Anders Money talks, but all mine ever says is "Goodbye!"
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From what I have read, and you may already know this, is the registration number is only good once or twice. After that you have to call Microsoft and get a new registration number. To one who likes to reformat his computer once every 3 or 4 months, this is ridiculus. I will stick with Office 2000 or I can always pull out my Word 6.0 diskettes. ;) Wayne
Actually, I am with M$ on this one. It sucks to be put through the wringer every time you do a reinstall, but the fact is that an end user neutral copy protection is pretty much guarenteed not to stop piracy. How many people ( be honest ) have a burt CD at home with a Microsoft ID number written on it in texta ? I copied Visual Studio before buying it, and Office 95 from memory ( I now own 97 and we own 2000 at work ). The fact is that for every person like me who will take a copy to evaluate something and *always* buy or destroy in a short time frame, there are three zillion who think nothing of stealing our work because they *can't afford it*, because software *costs too much* and anyhow, they *own th computer, what good is it without software*. All of this is garbage, of course. I couldn't afford a new car, but I bought one, because I needed it. The problem is that people simply a/ don't appreciate the work involved in making software and b/ simply find it too easy to pirate it. We can't do much about a. Lay people will probably always think that computers program themselves while we play games. So the more we can do do stop people stealing our code, the more likely we are to eat. If M$ gets people used to mildly intrusive protection, it opens the door for the rest of use to step up the heat in the anti-warez war. I went to a trade show a week or two ago and actually had a customer who was considering buying ask me if he could get ViewBuild on warez sites. I told him I'd submitted it myself, and it contained three highly destructive and hard to find viruses, so he was welcome to choose between risking that or buying a copy. ( He bought ). Christian I've learned that you cannot make someone love you. All you can do is stalk them and hope they panic and give in. The early bird may get the worm, but it's the second mouse that gets the cheese.
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Actually, I am with M$ on this one. It sucks to be put through the wringer every time you do a reinstall, but the fact is that an end user neutral copy protection is pretty much guarenteed not to stop piracy. How many people ( be honest ) have a burt CD at home with a Microsoft ID number written on it in texta ? I copied Visual Studio before buying it, and Office 95 from memory ( I now own 97 and we own 2000 at work ). The fact is that for every person like me who will take a copy to evaluate something and *always* buy or destroy in a short time frame, there are three zillion who think nothing of stealing our work because they *can't afford it*, because software *costs too much* and anyhow, they *own th computer, what good is it without software*. All of this is garbage, of course. I couldn't afford a new car, but I bought one, because I needed it. The problem is that people simply a/ don't appreciate the work involved in making software and b/ simply find it too easy to pirate it. We can't do much about a. Lay people will probably always think that computers program themselves while we play games. So the more we can do do stop people stealing our code, the more likely we are to eat. If M$ gets people used to mildly intrusive protection, it opens the door for the rest of use to step up the heat in the anti-warez war. I went to a trade show a week or two ago and actually had a customer who was considering buying ask me if he could get ViewBuild on warez sites. I told him I'd submitted it myself, and it contained three highly destructive and hard to find viruses, so he was welcome to choose between risking that or buying a copy. ( He bought ). Christian I've learned that you cannot make someone love you. All you can do is stalk them and hope they panic and give in. The early bird may get the worm, but it's the second mouse that gets the cheese.
I agree alot of people copy software. When I was first getting started in programming I had some illegal copies myself, but once I started making money I started paying for all my software. However not everyone can afford it. Now I don't think it's right to burn copies and give them to everyone. But I certainly think I should be able to install any of my software on all of my computers if I'm the only one using them. I think a big problem is that fact that you can spend hundreds of dollars for a license. You don't even buy the software. You have no rights to it. You can only use it as they say. Not to mention the all bugs in software recently. Not to say I don't have bugs in my software, but some software seems to be finished after it has been on sale for awhile. Companies automatically assume you will just download patches, which you now have to do. But the fact is you HAVE to download patches for almost everything now. It use to be the exception, but now it's the rule. Is it even still legal to sell your used software? Why don't we own a copy of the software we buy. Almost anything else I buy is mine. Whay is software different. Sorry I guess I started rambling on.... -Ric
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I agree alot of people copy software. When I was first getting started in programming I had some illegal copies myself, but once I started making money I started paying for all my software. However not everyone can afford it. Now I don't think it's right to burn copies and give them to everyone. But I certainly think I should be able to install any of my software on all of my computers if I'm the only one using them. I think a big problem is that fact that you can spend hundreds of dollars for a license. You don't even buy the software. You have no rights to it. You can only use it as they say. Not to mention the all bugs in software recently. Not to say I don't have bugs in my software, but some software seems to be finished after it has been on sale for awhile. Companies automatically assume you will just download patches, which you now have to do. But the fact is you HAVE to download patches for almost everything now. It use to be the exception, but now it's the rule. Is it even still legal to sell your used software? Why don't we own a copy of the software we buy. Almost anything else I buy is mine. Whay is software different. Sorry I guess I started rambling on.... -Ric
That's fine, but if I steal a car because I can't afford it, does that make it right ? I agree that you should ( and I do ) be able to install onto as many machines that only you use as you like, with some possible exceptions. Of *course* you don't buy the software - if you did, you'd buy the right to do with it as you please ( copy, disassemble, etc. ). You'd also concievably have a right to the source code. I guess that I don't notice because I don't buy a lot of software - most of the stuff I want to do is simple enough I can write my own. But maybe if more people bought software, software houses could afford to keep developing until something is perfect, instead of relying on the initial sales to pay for the final patches. Who on earth isn't going to download patches though ? Part of this problem is probably set release dates that slip away. I dunno - I know there have been five service packs to VC ( or is it 6 ? ), but I am happy to use it without a SP for a few days if I do a reinstall, it's not useless without it. I dare anyone to write a product that complex without needing to fix minor bugs later. I don't know if it's legal to sell used software, but I doubt this situation has changed, whatever it is. Software is different because you buy the right to use it, within the limits of a licence that asserts the rights of the author for users not to give away copies, not to reverse engineer, etc. Software is unique, in that I cannot copy a car, it is not economical to copy a book, only music is as easy to copy and give away. Christian I've learned that you cannot make someone love you. All you can do is stalk them and hope they panic and give in. The early bird may get the worm, but it's the second mouse that gets the cheese.
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Actually, I am with M$ on this one. It sucks to be put through the wringer every time you do a reinstall, but the fact is that an end user neutral copy protection is pretty much guarenteed not to stop piracy. How many people ( be honest ) have a burt CD at home with a Microsoft ID number written on it in texta ? I copied Visual Studio before buying it, and Office 95 from memory ( I now own 97 and we own 2000 at work ). The fact is that for every person like me who will take a copy to evaluate something and *always* buy or destroy in a short time frame, there are three zillion who think nothing of stealing our work because they *can't afford it*, because software *costs too much* and anyhow, they *own th computer, what good is it without software*. All of this is garbage, of course. I couldn't afford a new car, but I bought one, because I needed it. The problem is that people simply a/ don't appreciate the work involved in making software and b/ simply find it too easy to pirate it. We can't do much about a. Lay people will probably always think that computers program themselves while we play games. So the more we can do do stop people stealing our code, the more likely we are to eat. If M$ gets people used to mildly intrusive protection, it opens the door for the rest of use to step up the heat in the anti-warez war. I went to a trade show a week or two ago and actually had a customer who was considering buying ask me if he could get ViewBuild on warez sites. I told him I'd submitted it myself, and it contained three highly destructive and hard to find viruses, so he was welcome to choose between risking that or buying a copy. ( He bought ). Christian I've learned that you cannot make someone love you. All you can do is stalk them and hope they panic and give in. The early bird may get the worm, but it's the second mouse that gets the cheese.
The old virus-infected warez trick eh ? I like that, it's very funny. Actually, I really like Borland's old license agreement. They considered software to be like a book. Only one person can use it at a time but it can be installed on as many machines as you want. This is ideal for the one at work/one at home setup.
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The old virus-infected warez trick eh ? I like that, it's very funny. Actually, I really like Borland's old license agreement. They considered software to be like a book. Only one person can use it at a time but it can be installed on as many machines as you want. This is ideal for the one at work/one at home setup.
I agree ( re: the Borland license ). I didn't *actually* upload anything, it was an off-the-cuff response to get this guy to stop and think that he was asking an unreasonable question ( and get the sale, of course ) Christian I've learned that you cannot make someone love you. All you can do is stalk them and hope they panic and give in. The early bird may get the worm, but it's the second mouse that gets the cheese.
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I agree ( re: the Borland license ). I didn't *actually* upload anything, it was an off-the-cuff response to get this guy to stop and think that he was asking an unreasonable question ( and get the sale, of course ) Christian I've learned that you cannot make someone love you. All you can do is stalk them and hope they panic and give in. The early bird may get the worm, but it's the second mouse that gets the cheese.
This move towards licensing online , is the first move in a longer term strategy. Microsoft and the other vendors are in a maturing market .As products settle down , the scope for innovation will reduce and many products will start to become generic. Just look at the way everyone is talking about word processors. Many people are complaining of bloatware , and unwanted features. The software vendors are not stupid , they realise that just adding features to a product can only take them so far . What they want is to generate revenue streams from products in ways other than the initial purchase . This move to registering XP should be see in that light , running paralell with the move towards selling services via the internet. Its not really about stopping pirating , but the begining of a move to a situation where we all rent software , this registration is a first attempt at getting this rental model to work . It is going to be interesting to watch , but at the moment all the benifits are with the software vendors , and little for the users. They will have to change this if they want to see wide scale acceptance / uptake.
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It still works if you just format the disk, but don't change too much of the hardware... But, if you format the disk, and change most of the hardware in the computer, you have to call MS. As you say the code is god once or tvice, but that's on different computers. The first time you use the code to register online, it generates another code based on some of your hardware, as long as you use the same hardware, you can use the code over and over... - Anders Money talks, but all mine ever says is "Goodbye!"
It still works if you just format the disk, but don't change too much of the hardware... Most of my friends have computers with open cases. As about me, my computer's case is about half the time open. Hard disk move to and from the office or to my friends computers. Several cards like I/O cards,soundcards etc pluged-in and pluged-out often. Merory Upgrades. New Hard Disks. CD-Roms,Zip drives,HD change IDE controller, On-board stuffs (USB,Parralel) gets enabled-disabled change IRQ/Address, More memory upgrades, etc. X| And of course a change of CPU+Motherboard every 12-18 months. The question is, if have a license but install a cracked version, will microsoft have a problem with it? Practically, i don't think so. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Memory leaks is the price we pay \0 01234567890123456789012345678901234
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It still works if you just format the disk, but don't change too much of the hardware... Most of my friends have computers with open cases. As about me, my computer's case is about half the time open. Hard disk move to and from the office or to my friends computers. Several cards like I/O cards,soundcards etc pluged-in and pluged-out often. Merory Upgrades. New Hard Disks. CD-Roms,Zip drives,HD change IDE controller, On-board stuffs (USB,Parralel) gets enabled-disabled change IRQ/Address, More memory upgrades, etc. X| And of course a change of CPU+Motherboard every 12-18 months. The question is, if have a license but install a cracked version, will microsoft have a problem with it? Practically, i don't think so. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Memory leaks is the price we pay \0 01234567890123456789012345678901234
I know there is a hack to stop W95 from asking for the reg key, and M$ said they didn't mind, so long as people owned it. Christian I've learned that you cannot make someone love you. All you can do is stalk them and hope they panic and give in. The early bird may get the worm, but it's the second mouse that gets the cheese.
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This move towards licensing online , is the first move in a longer term strategy. Microsoft and the other vendors are in a maturing market .As products settle down , the scope for innovation will reduce and many products will start to become generic. Just look at the way everyone is talking about word processors. Many people are complaining of bloatware , and unwanted features. The software vendors are not stupid , they realise that just adding features to a product can only take them so far . What they want is to generate revenue streams from products in ways other than the initial purchase . This move to registering XP should be see in that light , running paralell with the move towards selling services via the internet. Its not really about stopping pirating , but the begining of a move to a situation where we all rent software , this registration is a first attempt at getting this rental model to work . It is going to be interesting to watch , but at the moment all the benifits are with the software vendors , and little for the users. They will have to change this if they want to see wide scale acceptance / uptake.
The most important "service" they can possibly provide is after-sale support. The problem is that they don't want to pay folks to sit around waiting for the phone to ring, while at the same time, users want answers IMMEDIATELY without having to wait for someone to get around to reading an email describing a problem. I don't want internet-based service - I want to talk to a person.