UK Drug advisor tells the truth and then loses his job.
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RichardGrimmer wrote:
I hate to correct you tere, but since it's a subject close to my heart (no pun intended), there is such a thing as Estacy Toxicity, which leads to heart / organ failure. Apparently the lethal dose is around 3mg/l (IIRC).. - 20 was bound to kill
Thanks for correcting me. When our governments / schools give us misinformation and propaganda, it is hard to know what's true. I thought ecstasy was pretty safe, but maybe not. I have no experience with it. It was usually the fat girls in college who took it. LOL.
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ToddHileHoffer wrote:
I thought ecstasy was pretty safe, but maybe not. I have no experience with it. It was usually the fat girls in college who took it. LOL.
You mean you haven't read about any reports of kids dying because of taking ecstasy? :wtf: You do read papers, don't you?
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Sounds like the doctor that suggested the may be a link between the MMR and Autism, and wanted to investigate... Got sacked, and kicked out of the GMC so he couldn't work as a doctor anymore.
On the other hand, do you know the real story behind why he was kicked out? I don't, and most likely not the rest of the public either. For all we know, he might be a drug head, and his superiors saw that it was just an attempt to get hold of hard drugs. Or maybe the science of his initial findings was of such poor quality, that nobody wanted to take the risk of looking like fools for giving him grants to do "trip research".
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ToddHileHoffer wrote:
I thought ecstasy was pretty safe, but maybe not. I have no experience with it. It was usually the fat girls in college who took it. LOL.
You mean you haven't read about any reports of kids dying because of taking ecstasy? :wtf: You do read papers, don't you?
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Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:
You mean you haven't read about any reports of kids dying because of taking ecstasy? You do read papers, don't you?
No I don't papers, what is it 1996? I do remember some stories on the Internet of kids dying but it was from bad ecstasy. Something was wrong with the pills.
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Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:
You mean you haven't read about any reports of kids dying because of taking ecstasy? You do read papers, don't you?
No I don't papers, what is it 1996? I do remember some stories on the Internet of kids dying but it was from bad ecstasy. Something was wrong with the pills.
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The effects of taking ecstasy is that the body temperature rises - you basically induce a fever. As a result, when people take the stuff, they dehydrate themselves and die because of overheating. It's the good ecstasy that kills when taken in too high dosages, or if one is not careful to drink water during the intoxication. It is way easier to die by using ecstasy, than it is by using alcohol.
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RichardGrimmer wrote:
I hate to correct you tere, but since it's a subject close to my heart (no pun intended), there is such a thing as Estacy Toxicity, which leads to heart / organ failure. Apparently the lethal dose is around 3mg/l (IIRC).. - 20 was bound to kill
Thanks for correcting me. When our governments / schools give us misinformation and propaganda, it is hard to know what's true. I thought ecstasy was pretty safe, but maybe not. I have no experience with it. It was usually the fat girls in college who took it. LOL.
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ToddHileHoffer wrote:
Thanks for correcting me. When our governments / schools give us misinformation and propaganda, it is hard to know what's true.
So when you insisted that "Nobody dies, from marijuana or ecstasy." you did not actually have any idea whether it was true or not.
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ToddHileHoffer wrote:
Thanks for correcting me. When our governments / schools give us misinformation and propaganda, it is hard to know what's true.
So when you insisted that "Nobody dies, from marijuana or ecstasy." you did not actually have any idea whether it was true or not.
Well, nobody dies from Marijuana, this I know is true. Because you can't OD on it. I was mistaken about ecstasy, I was misinformed. Apparently, it can kill you, but it can also be used safely.
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The effects of taking ecstasy is that the body temperature rises - you basically induce a fever. As a result, when people take the stuff, they dehydrate themselves and die because of overheating. It's the good ecstasy that kills when taken in too high dosages, or if one is not careful to drink water during the intoxication. It is way easier to die by using ecstasy, than it is by using alcohol.
-- Kein Mitleid Für Die Mehrheit
Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:
The effects of taking ecstasy is that the body temperature rises - you basically induce a fever. As a result, when people take the stuff, they dehydrate themselves and die because of overheating. It's the good ecstasy that kills when taken in too high dosages, or if one is not careful to drink water during the intoxication.
I had heard that it is very important to drink lots of water when taking E. Also, alcohol dehydrates as well, so it is probably bad to mix them. I know less about E cause I haven't taken it. I still don't think it should be illegal, even if it is dangerous. People should still have the option of taking that risk. Its not the government's job to protect us from ourselves by putting people in jail. The drug war is a massive failure in the USA and UK. In America was have something ridiculous like 2 Million people in prison and everybody still uses drugs. It is so pointless.
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Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:
The effects of taking ecstasy is that the body temperature rises - you basically induce a fever. As a result, when people take the stuff, they dehydrate themselves and die because of overheating. It's the good ecstasy that kills when taken in too high dosages, or if one is not careful to drink water during the intoxication.
I had heard that it is very important to drink lots of water when taking E. Also, alcohol dehydrates as well, so it is probably bad to mix them. I know less about E cause I haven't taken it. I still don't think it should be illegal, even if it is dangerous. People should still have the option of taking that risk. Its not the government's job to protect us from ourselves by putting people in jail. The drug war is a massive failure in the USA and UK. In America was have something ridiculous like 2 Million people in prison and everybody still uses drugs. It is so pointless.
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ToddHileHoffer wrote:
Its not the government's job to protect us from ourselves by putting people in jail.
It is if the government is paying for the health care needed due to drug use.
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ToddHileHoffer wrote:
Its not the government's job to protect us from ourselves by putting people in jail.
It is if the government is paying for the health care needed due to drug use.
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Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:
It is if the government is paying for the health care needed due to drug use
Right... So when a taxpaying citizen, who has a job gets busted for pot (or ecstasy) they can loose their job, loose their kids, get a criminal record and face prison. How much does this cost the tax payers? Considering penalties create rich drug gangs in Mexico doesn't the harm outweigh the nonexistent results of the drug war?
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Well, nobody dies from Marijuana, this I know is true. Because you can't OD on it. I was mistaken about ecstasy, I was misinformed. Apparently, it can kill you, but it can also be used safely.
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ToddHileHoffer wrote:
Well, nobody dies from Marijuana, this I know is true.
Rather that is your opinion.
ToddHileHoffer wrote:
Because you can't OD on it.
But you can still die from smoking it, the same as you can die from tobacco.
ToddHileHoffer wrote:
I was mistaken about ecstasy, I was misinformed.
So don't quote misinformation as facts.
ToddHileHoffer wrote:
Apparently, it can kill you, but it can also be used safely.
Safely, being a relative term, actually means that if you're lucky it won't do you any harm.
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RichardGrimmer wrote:
I hate to correct you tere, but since it's a subject close to my heart (no pun intended), there is such a thing as Estacy Toxicity, which leads to heart / organ failure. Apparently the lethal dose is around 3mg/l (IIRC).. - 20 was bound to kill
Thanks for correcting me. When our governments / schools give us misinformation and propaganda, it is hard to know what's true. I thought ecstasy was pretty safe, but maybe not. I have no experience with it. It was usually the fat girls in college who took it. LOL.
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ToddHileHoffer wrote:
When our governments / schools give us misinformation and propaganda, it is hard to know what's true.
I guess that's the main problem - if "The Man" is telling you it's a killer but you see all of your friend doing it with no problems, then you're likely to doubt advice...that was certainly the case with me and my wife....
ToddHileHoffer wrote:
I thought ecstasy was pretty safe, but maybe not
Generally speaking, it is - of the literally MILLIONS of pills consumed each week, the number who experience any ill effects is statistically negligible (around 70- deaths per year in the UK), but I have to say, it matters not how many other people "get away with it", when one dies close to you, it's a big deal. Please note - I'm not one of the people who thinks it should be banned, despite my wife's death and the "situation" that followed, any more than I think that rock climbing should be banned...for me the telling point was the inquest verdict - death by misadventure - i.e tried something, not expecting it to fail....also why I had charges of reckless manslaughter dropped - we weren't expecting any problems, so didn't consider it to be dangerous - in the UK I would only have been guilty of that if I considered it to be dangerous before we started....apparently....small comfort though
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ToddHileHoffer wrote:
I thought ecstasy was pretty safe, but maybe not. I have no experience with it. It was usually the fat girls in college who took it. LOL.
You mean you haven't read about any reports of kids dying because of taking ecstasy? :wtf: You do read papers, don't you?
-- Kein Mitleid Für Die Mehrheit
Again - to be pedantic, the cause of death in most cases is not toxicity of the e themselves, but other factors schas over /under hydration, allergic rections, pre-existing heart conditions etc....in fact, AFAIK, my wife is the only recorded death from out and out toxicity in the UK.
C# has already designed away most of the tedium of C++.
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ToddHileHoffer wrote:
Well, nobody dies from Marijuana, this I know is true.
Rather that is your opinion.
ToddHileHoffer wrote:
Because you can't OD on it.
But you can still die from smoking it, the same as you can die from tobacco.
ToddHileHoffer wrote:
I was mistaken about ecstasy, I was misinformed.
So don't quote misinformation as facts.
ToddHileHoffer wrote:
Apparently, it can kill you, but it can also be used safely.
Safely, being a relative term, actually means that if you're lucky it won't do you any harm.
Richard MacCutchan wrote:
But you can still die from smoking it, the same as you can die from tobacco.
Perhaps, but you can also use a vaporizer to extract the THC without any smoke. Or you can cook it. So it is pretty safe. Regardless. The point is that government lies and uses propaganda. Professor Nutts got sacked (pun intended) for telling the truth. Two other scientists have resigned since this happened. And finally, the drug war is an abysmal failure and a joke.
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ToddHileHoffer wrote:
When our governments / schools give us misinformation and propaganda, it is hard to know what's true.
I guess that's the main problem - if "The Man" is telling you it's a killer but you see all of your friend doing it with no problems, then you're likely to doubt advice...that was certainly the case with me and my wife....
ToddHileHoffer wrote:
I thought ecstasy was pretty safe, but maybe not
Generally speaking, it is - of the literally MILLIONS of pills consumed each week, the number who experience any ill effects is statistically negligible (around 70- deaths per year in the UK), but I have to say, it matters not how many other people "get away with it", when one dies close to you, it's a big deal. Please note - I'm not one of the people who thinks it should be banned, despite my wife's death and the "situation" that followed, any more than I think that rock climbing should be banned...for me the telling point was the inquest verdict - death by misadventure - i.e tried something, not expecting it to fail....also why I had charges of reckless manslaughter dropped - we weren't expecting any problems, so didn't consider it to be dangerous - in the UK I would only have been guilty of that if I considered it to be dangerous before we started....apparently....small comfort though
C# has already designed away most of the tedium of C++.
Dude, did your wife die from ecstasy? That's awful. I'm so sorry. :((
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Richard MacCutchan wrote:
But you can still die from smoking it, the same as you can die from tobacco.
Perhaps, but you can also use a vaporizer to extract the THC without any smoke. Or you can cook it. So it is pretty safe. Regardless. The point is that government lies and uses propaganda. Professor Nutts got sacked (pun intended) for telling the truth. Two other scientists have resigned since this happened. And finally, the drug war is an abysmal failure and a joke.
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ToddHileHoffer wrote:
So it is pretty safe.
Again this is a relative term which cannot be quantified. There are many 90 year olds who have smoked all their lives who could justifiably claim that cigarettes are safe. As to your last paragraph, I would tend to agree with the sentiment.
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Richard MacCutchan wrote:
But you can still die from smoking it, the same as you can die from tobacco.
Perhaps, but you can also use a vaporizer to extract the THC without any smoke. Or you can cook it. So it is pretty safe. Regardless. The point is that government lies and uses propaganda. Professor Nutts got sacked (pun intended) for telling the truth. Two other scientists have resigned since this happened. And finally, the drug war is an abysmal failure and a joke.
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Actually Nutt got asked to resign not sacked, the reason was that he was campaigning on "his" agenda which conflicted with the govenment. as to his assertions, they are biased and have been discredited, he claims that he based his opinion on the results of questionaire of professionals, well he sent the questions to 100 selected (note SELECTED) healthcare professionals - of which 27 replied - this is generally regarded as being non representative it has also been alledged that of those that answered 50% were chest doctors and would therefore be likely to vote for thier speciality No? as for the claims that its safer, this has been proven to be wrong, yes more people suffer medical problem from alcohol but that is because alcohol comsumpsion if far greater that that of these drugs
Go away and research the subject, analyze the options for and against, understand the problem and them come back when you agree with me.
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Actually Nutt got asked to resign not sacked, the reason was that he was campaigning on "his" agenda which conflicted with the govenment. as to his assertions, they are biased and have been discredited, he claims that he based his opinion on the results of questionaire of professionals, well he sent the questions to 100 selected (note SELECTED) healthcare professionals - of which 27 replied - this is generally regarded as being non representative it has also been alledged that of those that answered 50% were chest doctors and would therefore be likely to vote for thier speciality No? as for the claims that its safer, this has been proven to be wrong, yes more people suffer medical problem from alcohol but that is because alcohol comsumpsion if far greater that that of these drugs
Go away and research the subject, analyze the options for and against, understand the problem and them come back when you agree with me.
The British government re-classified marijuana as a more dangerous drug. Clearly this was for political reasons and not based on science. Pot is one of the safest drugs around and it is not addicting. He called them out on it and got fired. "Asked to resign" is the same thing as getting sacked.
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Again - to be pedantic, the cause of death in most cases is not toxicity of the e themselves, but other factors schas over /under hydration, allergic rections, pre-existing heart conditions etc....in fact, AFAIK, my wife is the only recorded death from out and out toxicity in the UK.
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RichardGrimmer wrote:
my wife is the only recorded death from out and out toxicity
Sorry to hear that...
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Again - to be pedantic, the cause of death in most cases is not toxicity of the e themselves, but other factors schas over /under hydration, allergic rections, pre-existing heart conditions etc....in fact, AFAIK, my wife is the only recorded death from out and out toxicity in the UK.
C# has already designed away most of the tedium of C++.
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The British government re-classified marijuana as a more dangerous drug. Clearly this was for political reasons and not based on science. Pot is one of the safest drugs around and it is not addicting. He called them out on it and got fired. "Asked to resign" is the same thing as getting sacked.
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they reclassified due to reports from the scientific community that it causes mental health problem IN A SIGNIFICANT portion of its users, The evidence provided was sufficient to force the govenement into an embarassing u turn (remember that it was THE SAME govenement that declassified it in the first place - against medical and popular opinion nott tried to promote his own opinions and agenda from his position something that is wholely inapproprate, he was an advisor (and of one agency that advises on these things) the govenment choose to go with conflicting advise from other agencies that had better scientific evidence than that provided by nott. the GMC have ststed that the current enhanced variants of canabis have a much higher risk of helath problems. as to its addiction, the idea of it not being addictive is actually not medically true, yes it has a low addiction rate but medically speaking the addiction rate is higher than that of alcohol (all mind state altering drugs are addictive in varying degrees)
Go away and research the subject, analyze the options for and against, understand the problem and them come back when you agree with me.