Remote Access (Development)
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They should just set you up a source control repository (and a VPN maybe). You could even develop on your local box as long as it does not need to much resources from the otherside. On the other hand, I cant even work on a remote PC via RDP on the same LAN...
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((λ (x) `(,x ',x)) '(λ (x) `(,x ',x))) The Scheme Programming Language – Fourth EditionI was thinking along the same lines. There are other developers in the office so we would continue sharing common code (although they are developing Win Apps and I would be developing Web). If I work locally, the main problem will be source control (they still use VSS...) followed by publishing changes for testing. I can set up everything I need environment-wise before I go. Design questions may be a bit of an issue because of the time difference. It may be a case of "suck it and see" for a couple of weeks.
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Hi, This is the first time I have posted a question and I couldn't find a forum that I thought was relevant to it, other than here. I am a contract software developer currently located in the UK but moving to Melbourne in 2 weeks. A previous client has asked me if I could work remotely in Australia, connecting to a machine in their UK office, to continue developing software for them (.NET Web/Win SQL etc.). I know that technically it is quite straight forward, I have worked remotely in the UK before (VPN) to a local office. However, I am investigating whether or not this is feasible from the point of view of response times, because I would be working intensively and therefore sending many key strokes and expecting a rapid response from Oz <=> UK. Do you have any information that may help me decide whether or not the proposal is workable?
My experience has been that VPN blows. Maybe it's just the setups I've been exposed to, maybe extremely-low bandwidth, I'm not really sure. The delay in keystrokes will be maddening. Now, I've used logmein to go from a east coast to west coast USA, and the performance is more than adequate for development. logmein offers a free account if you want to play with it, customer may or may not like it. I know my customer has me explicitly routed in via the firewall, ports, etc. The connection is just not encrypted.
Charlie Gilley You're going to tell me what I want to know, or I'm going to beat you to death in your own house. "Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783
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I was thinking along the same lines. There are other developers in the office so we would continue sharing common code (although they are developing Win Apps and I would be developing Web). If I work locally, the main problem will be source control (they still use VSS...) followed by publishing changes for testing. I can set up everything I need environment-wise before I go. Design questions may be a bit of an issue because of the time difference. It may be a case of "suck it and see" for a couple of weeks.
Okay, you just added VSS. You do NOT want to do this over VPN. Since you say "they still use VSS..." I'm assuming it's like 6.0 or something? VSS is a pig over VPN. If you lose the connection, you stand a chance of losing the VSS database. Just don't do it. VSS will need to be local.
Charlie Gilley You're going to tell me what I want to know, or I'm going to beat you to death in your own house. "Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783
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Hi, This is the first time I have posted a question and I couldn't find a forum that I thought was relevant to it, other than here. I am a contract software developer currently located in the UK but moving to Melbourne in 2 weeks. A previous client has asked me if I could work remotely in Australia, connecting to a machine in their UK office, to continue developing software for them (.NET Web/Win SQL etc.). I know that technically it is quite straight forward, I have worked remotely in the UK before (VPN) to a local office. However, I am investigating whether or not this is feasible from the point of view of response times, because I would be working intensively and therefore sending many key strokes and expecting a rapid response from Oz <=> UK. Do you have any information that may help me decide whether or not the proposal is workable?
I'd go with what leppie said. I sometimes have to RDP into a box in London (I'm in Madras) and it's a MAJOR pain. Something as simple as scrolling can take frustratingly long. And if there are any animations (splash screens, etc), you are screwed. Sorry, my vote is No. [EDIT]I do not use a VPN; I use boxes within the same company network. Your situation over a VPN will likely be even worse than mine.[/EDIT]
Cheers, Vikram. (Cracked not one CCC, but two!)
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Okay, you just added VSS. You do NOT want to do this over VPN. Since you say "they still use VSS..." I'm assuming it's like 6.0 or something? VSS is a pig over VPN. If you lose the connection, you stand a chance of losing the VSS database. Just don't do it. VSS will need to be local.
Charlie Gilley You're going to tell me what I want to know, or I'm going to beat you to death in your own house. "Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783
Good point. I was thinking that maybe I could just login remotely to lock the source and copy it (although that may end up being a pain when I need to change lots of existing code). Then I could set up my own source control locally and work against a local copy of the SQL Server DB.
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Okay, you just added VSS. You do NOT want to do this over VPN. Since you say "they still use VSS..." I'm assuming it's like 6.0 or something? VSS is a pig over VPN. If you lose the connection, you stand a chance of losing the VSS database. Just don't do it. VSS will need to be local.
Charlie Gilley You're going to tell me what I want to know, or I'm going to beat you to death in your own house. "Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783
charlieg wrote:
Just don't do it.
You just made me delete my reply! :)
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Okay, you just added VSS. You do NOT want to do this over VPN. Since you say "they still use VSS..." I'm assuming it's like 6.0 or something? VSS is a pig over VPN. If you lose the connection, you stand a chance of losing the VSS database. Just don't do it. VSS will need to be local.
Charlie Gilley You're going to tell me what I want to know, or I'm going to beat you to death in your own house. "Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783
charlieg wrote:
VSS is a pig over VPN.
TFS is great over HTTP though. :)
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I'd go with what leppie said. I sometimes have to RDP into a box in London (I'm in Madras) and it's a MAJOR pain. Something as simple as scrolling can take frustratingly long. And if there are any animations (splash screens, etc), you are screwed. Sorry, my vote is No. [EDIT]I do not use a VPN; I use boxes within the same company network. Your situation over a VPN will likely be even worse than mine.[/EDIT]
Cheers, Vikram. (Cracked not one CCC, but two!)
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I'd go with what leppie said. I sometimes have to RDP into a box in London (I'm in Madras) and it's a MAJOR pain. Something as simple as scrolling can take frustratingly long. And if there are any animations (splash screens, etc), you are screwed. Sorry, my vote is No. [EDIT]I do not use a VPN; I use boxes within the same company network. Your situation over a VPN will likely be even worse than mine.[/EDIT]
Cheers, Vikram. (Cracked not one CCC, but two!)
Which is exactly why on my current project we're dumping VSS for SVN. We expect a distributed development team, and it just isn't worth the pain. VSS 6.0 demands high bandwidth - it just assumes it will be there. TFS on the other hand I would expect to behave better. What, it's newer by 15 years?
Charlie Gilley You're going to tell me what I want to know, or I'm going to beat you to death in your own house. "Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783
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charlieg wrote:
VSS is a pig over VPN.
TFS is great over HTTP though. :)
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My experience has been that VPN blows. Maybe it's just the setups I've been exposed to, maybe extremely-low bandwidth, I'm not really sure. The delay in keystrokes will be maddening. Now, I've used logmein to go from a east coast to west coast USA, and the performance is more than adequate for development. logmein offers a free account if you want to play with it, customer may or may not like it. I know my customer has me explicitly routed in via the firewall, ports, etc. The connection is just not encrypted.
Charlie Gilley You're going to tell me what I want to know, or I'm going to beat you to death in your own house. "Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783
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Thats the kind of response time I was expecting. The pages will all be relatively simple, no intense graphics etc. but I might lose it if I have to wait 5 secs everytime I press a key....
Glad I could help you. :) Just to clear up, keystrokes are noticeably but only slightly a drag. Scrolling and animations are what will kill you. You said you won't have any animations to deal with, but who doesn't need to scroll? Having said that, perhaps you can do it on a trial basis for the client - two day trial followed by win-win or no deal.
Cheers, Vikram. (Cracked not one CCC, but two!)
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Which is exactly why on my current project we're dumping VSS for SVN. We expect a distributed development team, and it just isn't worth the pain. VSS 6.0 demands high bandwidth - it just assumes it will be there. TFS on the other hand I would expect to behave better. What, it's newer by 15 years?
Charlie Gilley You're going to tell me what I want to know, or I'm going to beat you to death in your own house. "Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783
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Tony.1 wrote:
Really...?
Yes, Codeplex runs off it. :)
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Which is exactly why on my current project we're dumping VSS for SVN. We expect a distributed development team, and it just isn't worth the pain. VSS 6.0 demands high bandwidth - it just assumes it will be there. TFS on the other hand I would expect to behave better. What, it's newer by 15 years?
Charlie Gilley You're going to tell me what I want to know, or I'm going to beat you to death in your own house. "Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783
I'm not sure your reply was intended for me :~ I didn't say anything about VSS. I guess I'm lucky to have never even seen VSS, we use Perforce and SVN at my current company. I have, however, had the misfortune of having PVCS and Lotus Notes at my previous company. X|
Cheers, Vikram. (Cracked not one CCC, but two!)
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The company are quite new to development, so VSS was the no-brainer for starting up. They are now talking about getting a better solution, not sure if it will be TFS though. Another contractor there would prefer a non MS solution so that' open right now.
Tony.1 wrote:
They are now talking about getting a better solution, not sure if it will be TFS though. Another contractor there would prefer a non MS solution so that' open right now.
I'll give the first vote for SVN. :thumbsup:
Cheers, Vikram. (Cracked not one CCC, but two!)
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Tony.1 wrote:
Really...?
Yes, Codeplex runs off it. :)
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Tony.1 wrote:
They are now talking about getting a better solution, not sure if it will be TFS though. Another contractor there would prefer a non MS solution so that' open right now.
I'll give the first vote for SVN. :thumbsup:
Cheers, Vikram. (Cracked not one CCC, but two!)
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I'm not sure your reply was intended for me :~ I didn't say anything about VSS. I guess I'm lucky to have never even seen VSS, we use Perforce and SVN at my current company. I have, however, had the misfortune of having PVCS and Lotus Notes at my previous company. X|
Cheers, Vikram. (Cracked not one CCC, but two!)
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Glad I could help you. :) Just to clear up, keystrokes are noticeably but only slightly a drag. Scrolling and animations are what will kill you. You said you won't have any animations to deal with, but who doesn't need to scroll? Having said that, perhaps you can do it on a trial basis for the client - two day trial followed by win-win or no deal.
Cheers, Vikram. (Cracked not one CCC, but two!)