The Go Programming Language
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I'll stick with C# for now and continue to await The Coming Of The Great New Language.
I am doing that too! But I'm wondering if The Great New Language won't be C# 6.0 running on Window 10.0? With all MS work on Midori / Singularity / Phoenix (?) etc... After all be C# could The Great New Language, if not for the performance and the lack of low level system access, but those managed OS attempt (above) could (and would, hopefully) bring it to C#!!!
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Interesting...[^] Ken Thompson and Rob Pike are among the language designers. Personally, I dislike C-style syntax and a mandatory garbage collector (in a system language).
If they want a modern systems/embedded programming language why don't they just use Ada? Granted I'm just starting to fool around with this language so I might be overlooking something, but as far as I can see Ada seems to have all the power and low level capabilities of c/c++ but seems to be on the opposite end of the spectrum when it comes to safety/error checking. In my opinion Ada seems to be very well thought out and modern and has the best error checking and type system of any programming language. From what I've read most safety critical software is written in Ada and I can't recall hearing of any airplane that crashed or nuclear power plant that exploded because of a bug so they must doing something right. As far as Go goes I have to agree I'm not sure if mandatory garbage collection is a good feature in a systems programming language since it can be a problem if you are writing anything that has real time requirements since garbage collection cycles have unpredictable timing.
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is it like the game? The rules are simple, but the practical strategy is extremely complex.
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Interesting...[^] Ken Thompson and Rob Pike are among the language designers. Personally, I dislike C-style syntax and a mandatory garbage collector (in a system language).
http://code.google.com/p/go/issues/detail?id=9[^] Kinda sloppy... Now if the other Go was a word processor or something else, you can live with it, but not like this :(
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If they want a modern systems/embedded programming language why don't they just use Ada? Granted I'm just starting to fool around with this language so I might be overlooking something, but as far as I can see Ada seems to have all the power and low level capabilities of c/c++ but seems to be on the opposite end of the spectrum when it comes to safety/error checking. In my opinion Ada seems to be very well thought out and modern and has the best error checking and type system of any programming language. From what I've read most safety critical software is written in Ada and I can't recall hearing of any airplane that crashed or nuclear power plant that exploded because of a bug so they must doing something right. As far as Go goes I have to agree I'm not sure if mandatory garbage collection is a good feature in a systems programming language since it can be a problem if you are writing anything that has real time requirements since garbage collection cycles have unpredictable timing.
MikeMarq wrote:
as far as I can see Ada seems to have all the power and low level capabilities of c/c++
More in some cases. Take a look at Ada representation clauses - much more powerful than anything C can offer.
MikeMarq wrote:
From what I've read most safety critical software is written in Ada and I can't recall hearing of any airplane that crashed or nuclear power plant that exploded because of a bug so they must doing something right
I seem to remember there was a study that indicated that the choice of language impacted more on the efficiency of certain verification activities than on the safety of the system per se. Ada (and more specifically SPARK Ada) allow more design intent (e.g. specification of expected ranges for numeric types representing real-world quantities) to be expressed within code.
MikeMarq wrote:
I have to agree I'm not sure if mandatory garbage collection is a good feature in a systems programming language since it can be a problem if you are writing anything that has real time requirements since garbage collection cycles have unpredictable timing.
Heap allocation of any sort (never mind garbage collected) is an issue - the allocation could fail and, even if it doesn't, it's difficult to predict the time that an allocation will take (e.g. if the allocator traverses a list of free blocks to find a big enough memory block), so in general all memory is allocated statically (i.e. in BSS or DATA segments) at initialisation.
Java, Basic, who cares - it's all a bunch of tree-hugging hippy cr*p
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Interesting...[^] Ken Thompson and Rob Pike are among the language designers. Personally, I dislike C-style syntax and a mandatory garbage collector (in a system language).
Seems like a couple steps backward from where we are in today's world. I am only moving forward not backward... Make my life easier and less work not more.
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If they want a modern systems/embedded programming language why don't they just use Ada? Granted I'm just starting to fool around with this language so I might be overlooking something, but as far as I can see Ada seems to have all the power and low level capabilities of c/c++ but seems to be on the opposite end of the spectrum when it comes to safety/error checking. In my opinion Ada seems to be very well thought out and modern and has the best error checking and type system of any programming language. From what I've read most safety critical software is written in Ada and I can't recall hearing of any airplane that crashed or nuclear power plant that exploded because of a bug so they must doing something right. As far as Go goes I have to agree I'm not sure if mandatory garbage collection is a good feature in a systems programming language since it can be a problem if you are writing anything that has real time requirements since garbage collection cycles have unpredictable timing.
MikeMarq wrote:
In my opinion Ada seems to be very well thought out and modern and has the best error checking and type system of any programming language.
I agree. It seems it become unpopular because it was mandated for defense projects for a while. Also, the compilers were very expensive. It is a shame, though, it looks much nicer than any C-based language I have seen.
MikeMarq wrote:
As far as Go goes I have to agree I'm not sure if mandatory garbage collection is a good feature in a systems programming language since it can be a problem if you are writing anything that has real time requirements since garbage collection cycles have unpredictable timing.
Amen!
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Steve Echols wrote:
Plus the use of the pascal like :=
That part I like. In fact, I wish they departed from C syntax even more...
Nemanja Trifunovic wrote:
I wish they departed from C syntax even more...
There's a tendency to make most new languages use C or C-like syntax. I think they're frightened of alienating the C-syntax fanatics. :laugh: In the 21st century we ought to be moving on from C syntax IMO.
Kevin
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I am doing that too! But I'm wondering if The Great New Language won't be C# 6.0 running on Window 10.0? With all MS work on Midori / Singularity / Phoenix (?) etc... After all be C# could The Great New Language, if not for the performance and the lack of low level system access, but those managed OS attempt (above) could (and would, hopefully) bring it to C#!!!
A train station is where the train stops. A bus station is where the bus stops. On my desk, I have a work station.... _________________________________________________________ My programs never have bugs, they just develop random features.
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Seems like a couple steps backward from where we are in today's world. I am only moving forward not backward... Make my life easier and less work not more.
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Rocky Moore wrote:
I am only moving forward not backward...
Keep moving forward and you'll discover SmallTalk. And if you move even more forward you may hit Lisp (first released in 1958)
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and +:= or is it :+=?? :)
Luc Pattyn
I only read code that is properly indented, and rendered in a non-proportional font; hint: use PRE tags in forum messages
Neither, obviously; and now I won't tell you about the Belgian beer I had last night. :-D
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MikeMarq wrote:
In my opinion Ada seems to be very well thought out and modern and has the best error checking and type system of any programming language.
I agree. It seems it become unpopular because it was mandated for defense projects for a while. Also, the compilers were very expensive. It is a shame, though, it looks much nicer than any C-based language I have seen.
MikeMarq wrote:
As far as Go goes I have to agree I'm not sure if mandatory garbage collection is a good feature in a systems programming language since it can be a problem if you are writing anything that has real time requirements since garbage collection cycles have unpredictable timing.
Amen!
Nemanja Trifunovic wrote:
I agree. It seems it become unpopular because it was mandated for defense projects for a while. Also, the compilers were very expensive. It is a shame, though, it looks much nicer than any C-based language I have seen.
I like the look of Eiffel (which is itself influenced by Ada), though it is not systems oriented. It also suffers from there being only one realistic vendor who offer a very expensive product unless you are producing open source software.
Kevin
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I am doing that too! But I'm wondering if The Great New Language won't be C# 6.0 running on Window 10.0? With all MS work on Midori / Singularity / Phoenix (?) etc... After all be C# could The Great New Language, if not for the performance and the lack of low level system access, but those managed OS attempt (above) could (and would, hopefully) bring it to C#!!!
A train station is where the train stops. A bus station is where the bus stops. On my desk, I have a work station.... _________________________________________________________ My programs never have bugs, they just develop random features.
C# is already an old language (ten years!); adding new features is only making it worse.
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C# is already an old language (ten years!); adding new features is only making it worse.
PIEBALDconsult wrote:
C# is already an old language (ten years!); adding new features is only making it worse.
I never liked C# much, but up to version 2.0 it was at least simple (sort of) and easy to learn.
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LOL! Does the Go language involves manipulations of black and white tokens? In addition, is there a -ko compiler option to detect infinite loops, or -atari to detect dead code? Interesting enough, maybe I should have a go on this language (bad pun intended) Happy coding, Yves
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Neither, obviously; and now I won't tell you about the Belgian beer I had last night. :-D
if (:beer: == :cool:) :bob: := :) ; else :bob: := :mad: ;
Luc Pattyn
I only read code that is properly indented, and rendered in a non-proportional font; hint: use PRE tags in forum messages
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Interesting... This will kill me: if (a < b) f(); // INVALID for (i = 0; i < 10; i++) {} // INVALID Invalid!! But I've been typing it that way for 20 years! Grrrrr.... Plus the use of the pascal like := Still interesting though.
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Steve Echols wrote:
Plus the use of the pascal like :=
Not exactly. As far as I understood, the := operator in Go is a declaration of a new variable + initialization, not only association. Pascal:
A:= B <=> A = B;
Go:
A:= B <=> int A = B; (where int is an implied type of B)
Greetings - Jacek
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There is a plethora of newer, safer, easier to ease low level language. I particularly like D[^]. I even think they have some native compiler of a variant of C#. Anyway, sadly, none seems to take off or have good commercial and wide library support.... Hopefully Go will go further! :-)
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modified on Tuesday, November 10, 2009 7:56 PM
Yes, D is likely the best; but I don't use it, C# pays the bills (at least it did).
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Nemanja Trifunovic wrote:
I wish they departed from C syntax even more...
There's a tendency to make most new languages use C or C-like syntax. I think they're frightened of alienating the C-syntax fanatics. :laugh: In the 21st century we ought to be moving on from C syntax IMO.
Kevin
Not frightened; it's a practical matter. The feeling is that there is so much C code (and coders) out there that making people rewrite it is a bad idea. So if the new language can use existing C code pretty much as it is, then the language has a better chance of acceptance. As I recall the D website used to say that a piece of C code passed through the D compiler should either compile and work as it did under C or fail. I don't see that notation anymore. At any rate, the D website does say: "Have a short learning curve for programmers comfortable with programming in C or C++." I know I had a tough time changing from Pascal to C, I don't want to have to go through that again, especially if the new language is more verbose.
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Not frightened; it's a practical matter. The feeling is that there is so much C code (and coders) out there that making people rewrite it is a bad idea. So if the new language can use existing C code pretty much as it is, then the language has a better chance of acceptance. As I recall the D website used to say that a piece of C code passed through the D compiler should either compile and work as it did under C or fail. I don't see that notation anymore. At any rate, the D website does say: "Have a short learning curve for programmers comfortable with programming in C or C++." I know I had a tough time changing from Pascal to C, I don't want to have to go through that again, especially if the new language is more verbose.
PIEBALDconsult wrote:
The feeling is that there is so much C code (and coders) out there that making people rewrite it is a bad idea
How is creating a new language with different syntax rewriting C code? Why can't it just map to C code if that is a requirement? I accept that providing a familiar syntax makes the language initially more appealing and therefore from a practical point of view that's why they do it. But in an ideal world we should be able to focus on the concepts and move to more readable syntaxes. Having said that I do consider C# and Java to be advances over C/C++ in readability. And I don't consider this to be that big an issue. :)
PIEBALDconsult wrote:
especially if the new language is more verbose
There's a difference between verbose and readable. I consider VB .NET to be verbose. I consider a language such as Eiffel to be readable, a bit terser than Pascal or Ada. Eiffel looks verbose superficially but that is an illusion. It's actually more concise than C++, C# or Java in certain contexts because it's more declarative.
Kevin
