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  • realJSOPR realJSOP

    He's talking about building a system, not buying a souped-up two-slice toaster.

    .45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
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    modified on Saturday, November 14, 2009 10:09 AM

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    CaptainSeeSharp
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    John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

    .45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly

    What do you think of the 10mm?

    Watch the Fall of the Republic (High Quality 2:24:19)[^]

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      I am about to buy a new desktop, and am looking to spend a decent sum of money for this. My goals are: 1. To continue to develop 32-bit and 64-bit versions of my software 2. To have both these bit-architecture targeting software developed in the same machine Now, should i just go for buying a 64-bit processor based desktop, and install the 64-bit OS and the 32-bit OS installed in the machine and have a dual boot setup, so that i can boot into 32-bit OS and build my 32-bit software, and then boot into 64-bit OS and build my 64-bit version of my software? Also is VS 2008, 64-bit development capable? Or should i simply buy a 32-bit processor based desktop? Thanks.

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      RichardM1
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      I have an XP64 quad AMD system with 8 GB. I run the main system as 64 bit, and, for developement, I run a number of XP 32 bit systems for testing and, sometimes, development. I have a dedicated oracle server VM, IIS server VM and the application client box VM. I am able to run them all without impacting each other. I use MS VPC, but I am not so sure it is better than Sun's Virtual Box. I have not used VMWare. VPC does not allow sharing USB, and VBox does. I don't know about VMWare. If you have not used VMs, they are amazingly easy to setup and operate, provide excellent isolation from each other, both for software isolation and CPU load isolation. The only issue is that, for both VPC and VBox, they only use one CPU (at least in the versions I have). VS2008 can built 64 bit apps, but is not true 64 bit itself. Whether it builds 32 or 64 bit apps is dependent on the project settings, not the machine it is running on. You can build 32 on a 64 machine and vice versa.

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        John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

        .45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly

        What do you think of the 10mm?

        Watch the Fall of the Republic (High Quality 2:24:19)[^]

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        RichardM1
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        Not as good as 12.7, but guns based on it are kind of unwieldy for in home us, not to mention over-penetration. Complaints from the neighbors 4 blocks over, in a dense townhouse development. I'm .357 and 9mm myself, but that has as much to do with sunk cost and inherited firearms as anything else.

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          I have an XP64 quad AMD system with 8 GB. I run the main system as 64 bit, and, for developement, I run a number of XP 32 bit systems for testing and, sometimes, development. I have a dedicated oracle server VM, IIS server VM and the application client box VM. I am able to run them all without impacting each other. I use MS VPC, but I am not so sure it is better than Sun's Virtual Box. I have not used VMWare. VPC does not allow sharing USB, and VBox does. I don't know about VMWare. If you have not used VMs, they are amazingly easy to setup and operate, provide excellent isolation from each other, both for software isolation and CPU load isolation. The only issue is that, for both VPC and VBox, they only use one CPU (at least in the versions I have). VS2008 can built 64 bit apps, but is not true 64 bit itself. Whether it builds 32 or 64 bit apps is dependent on the project settings, not the machine it is running on. You can build 32 on a 64 machine and vice versa.

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          Rob Graham
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          VMWare workstation supports USB switching (can select either guest or host, very nice). VMWare supports up to 2 processors per VM.

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          • C CaptainSeeSharp

            John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

            .45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly

            What do you think of the 10mm?

            Watch the Fall of the Republic (High Quality 2:24:19)[^]

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            9mm and 10mm are for euro-trash weenies that don't care about actually stopping a threat. The round does absolutely no good if it goes completely through center mass.

            .45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
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            "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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            "The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001

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              9mm and 10mm are for euro-trash weenies that don't care about actually stopping a threat. The round does absolutely no good if it goes completely through center mass.

              .45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
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              "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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              "The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001

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              John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

              9mm and 10mm are for euro-trash weenies that don't care about actually stopping a threat.

              I can agree with the 9mm being a non-stopper, but 10mm is ~.40cal with more powder. I've never shot a 10mm before but from what I have read it has the power of a 41 magnum round.

              Watch the Fall of the Republic (High Quality 2:24:19)[^]

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                I have an XP64 quad AMD system with 8 GB. I run the main system as 64 bit, and, for developement, I run a number of XP 32 bit systems for testing and, sometimes, development. I have a dedicated oracle server VM, IIS server VM and the application client box VM. I am able to run them all without impacting each other. I use MS VPC, but I am not so sure it is better than Sun's Virtual Box. I have not used VMWare. VPC does not allow sharing USB, and VBox does. I don't know about VMWare. If you have not used VMs, they are amazingly easy to setup and operate, provide excellent isolation from each other, both for software isolation and CPU load isolation. The only issue is that, for both VPC and VBox, they only use one CPU (at least in the versions I have). VS2008 can built 64 bit apps, but is not true 64 bit itself. Whether it builds 32 or 64 bit apps is dependent on the project settings, not the machine it is running on. You can build 32 on a 64 machine and vice versa.

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                AspDotNetDev
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                RichardM1 wrote:

                they only use one CPU

                You mean each VM can only make use of one of your processors (even if you have a quad core) at a time, or that it can uses all your processors, but only presents them in the VM as one?

                Visual Studio is an excellent GUIIDE.

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                  John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

                  9mm and 10mm are for euro-trash weenies that don't care about actually stopping a threat.

                  I can agree with the 9mm being a non-stopper, but 10mm is ~.40cal with more powder. I've never shot a 10mm before but from what I have read it has the power of a 41 magnum round.

                  Watch the Fall of the Republic (High Quality 2:24:19)[^]

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                  realJSOP
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                  10mm is a cartridge looking for a reason to exist. For that matter, the same can be said for the .40S&W, and the .45 GAP. Truth be told, 10mm exists because the eurotrash don't like saying the word "caliber" (as in ".40 caliber"). The reason the 9mm has gained so much popularity is that the ammo is a lot less expensive (2/3 the price) than .45 ACP.

                  .45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
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                  "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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                  "The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001

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                    I am about to buy a new desktop, and am looking to spend a decent sum of money for this. My goals are: 1. To continue to develop 32-bit and 64-bit versions of my software 2. To have both these bit-architecture targeting software developed in the same machine Now, should i just go for buying a 64-bit processor based desktop, and install the 64-bit OS and the 32-bit OS installed in the machine and have a dual boot setup, so that i can boot into 32-bit OS and build my 32-bit software, and then boot into 64-bit OS and build my 64-bit version of my software? Also is VS 2008, 64-bit development capable? Or should i simply buy a 32-bit processor based desktop? Thanks.

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                    Snowman58
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                    All desktop CPU's available today are capable of either 32 or 64 bit operation. So your question is more properly which OS/software environment do you want? 64 bit is still plagued by driver and compatibility issues, which one would have thought would have been solved by now. But they still exist. Much of the application software sold as 64 bit, is simply 32 bit recompiled and not optimized for 64 bit. I have read that in some cases it actually runs slower. If you are planning on a general usage machine, I would suggest a 32 bit OS and use something like VMware for 64 bit development. If you have a narrow focus for the usage and can test the various drivers and software, than go for 64 bit.

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                      RichardM1 wrote:

                      they only use one CPU

                      You mean each VM can only make use of one of your processors (even if you have a quad core) at a time, or that it can uses all your processors, but only presents them in the VM as one?

                      Visual Studio is an excellent GUIIDE.

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                      RichardM1
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                      Each VM can only uses one CPU, but I believe each VM can have its own CPU. 2 VMs on a quad core machine do not share a CPU.

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