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"In Anna's situation"? It's nobody's fault but "Anna's". He did NOT have to announce what was happening, and he (and the rest of us) would have been a lot better off without doing so. He brought it on himself. ------- signature starts "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio. ------- signature ends
I have known someone go through this. It is not a mental problem but a genetic disorder. Would you like to meet my teddy bear ?
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The question is, why should I tolerate intolerance ? Would you like to meet my teddy bear ?
Trollslayer wrote: The question is, why should I tolerate intolerance ? I understand what your saying, but the paradox is worthy of note. ;) BW The only people for me are the mad ones, the ones who are mad to talk, mad to live, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding. - Jack Kerouac
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Paul Selormey wrote: Please can you explain what you mean? Well I was going to reply the same as Howes so maybe my explanation is the same: You profess that Jesus Christ is love, and that that message should be spread. By that I assume you are a follower and a practicer of JC's message. Yet you refuse the friendship of Anna almost to the point of banishment, which seems to me to be very hypocritical. I was also going to ask you: Is what Anna is going through a "sin" or wrong according to your beliefs?
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Cape Town, South AfricaHaving a disease is not a sin. However, I agree with John Simmons, just b/c someone gave it a name, doesn't mean it's a real condition. Just like today, homosexuality used to be considered a mental condition that should be treated, now it's an "alternative lifestyle" and everyone's ok with it. A man physically changing his body to become a woman, and I'm assuming pursue relationships with men, is a sin. Christians are not to associate with people that are sinning with no desire to repent. "But now I have written to you not to keep company with anyone named a brother, who is sexually immoral, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or an extortioner--not even to eat with such a person." (1 Cor 5:11) "Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God." (1 Cor 6:9-11) Sodomite refers to the more masculine in the homosexual relationship while the greek word tranlated as "homesexual" refers to the more effeminate in the relationship. That some churches gladly welcome these people into their fellowship shows that that church does not value Scripture. Jason Gerard "This almost never matters, except quite often."
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Jason Henderson wrote: Sometimes it takes rejection to turn somebody's life around. Love does not equal acceptance. this only works if the person your rejecting has some reason to want to keep in your good graces. Just sounds like a nice way to paint intolerance. Jesus said to love your neighbor as you do yourself, not love your neighbor only if they behave like you do. BW The only people for me are the mad ones, the ones who are mad to talk, mad to live, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding. - Jack Kerouac
We can argue the point all day long, but if the sinner is not willing to change his or her life, they will be rejected by Jesus. Love does not equal acceptance/tolerance.
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Oh, here in Brazil we have this T-shirt saying (in portuguese, obviously): "Jesus loves you, but I think you are a lamer!" My latest articles: Desktop Bob - Instant CP notifications XOR tricks for RAID data protection
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Sometimes it takes rejection to turn somebody's life around. Love does not equal acceptance.
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"If you are going through hell, keep going." - Sir Winston ChurchillJason Henderson wrote: Sometimes it takes rejection to turn somebody's life around. In that case I reject you. Happy?
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Jason Henderson wrote: Sometimes it takes rejection to turn somebody's life around. In that case I reject you. Happy?
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I thought I knew what an idiot was. You learn something new every day. Would you like to meet my teddy bear ?
So, you're as intolerant of my opinion as I am of the whole idea of Gender Dysphoria being real? ------- signature starts "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio. ------- signature ends
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Hmmmm, it seems I am getting what both of you are driving at. Let me make it easy...hoping you will understand:
- Putting Christianity aside, I love and honor woman, I will simply not put up with anyone who dishonors them in anyway.
- Back to Christianity, it is good for him to know the truth and the wrong path he is taken, instead of "falseful" smile, in the name of freedom - the little I can say.
- On social level, I was well disciplined by my Mom, and she loves - I do not have to be told.
- To you, let your child do whatever he/she wants, simply sit and watch to show him/her your "love" - your family will be a better place.
Best regards, Paul. Jesus Christ is LOVE! Please tell somebody.
Paul, sorry but I cannot see what you mean by 'dishonour'. This isn't about prancing about like a drag queen, just someone who wants to get on with their life. How does that dishonour others ? To that point I would mention that Anna has been asked to go out again with girls from work. Surely they are in the best position to judge that ? Also, what do you mean by a "falseful" smile ? Surely the falseful smile would be pretending to be someone you aren't ? Elaine Would you like to meet my teddy bear ?
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I just wanted to say a huge thank you to everyone at CP who's been so supportive of me over the last year. I know there were a couple of people who were sceptical about me at the outset (I've even been accused of being that worm B**l S****o a couple of times! :omg: ) but that aside the reaction I've had (both in forum messages and emails) has been heartwarming. :rose: I'm now only two months away from changing role publicly, and to be honest I'm getting very tired of hiding who I am. I feel it's time to let you know me a bit better than you can through just the little bit of me you see in the forums. Before doing so I should say that I'm not completely "out" at work yet (although my immediate colleagues and the company are aware of the situation) so I would ask for discretion. Once the formal announcement is made at work (which I expect to happen sometime in December), I'll close off this account and switch back to my other one (renamed of course!). I'll also update my articles to change the name on them. The whole story of who I am and how I came to be in this position is on my website - www.annasplace.me.uk[^]. If you have a look I hope you find it interesting. I'm glad to call you all my friends. :love: Anna :rose: "Be yourself - not what others think you should be"
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I'm never going to be in "Anna's" situation so I'm not worried about it. He/She can live however he/she wants, I just don't think this is the place to talk about it. Do you really think it necessary to "come out" in the CP Lounge?
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"If you are going through hell, keep going." - Sir Winston ChurchillJason Henderson wrote: Do you really think it necessary to "come out" in the CP Lounge? I don't think it's necessary ANYWHERE on CP. ------- signature starts "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio. ------- signature ends
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He's saying that despite your sig preaching love and tolerance, you seem to be quite willing to make the occasional exception. Stick to your guns, for whatever reason you may be holding them. ------- signature starts "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio. ------- signature ends
Oh! please. Simply, love and tolerance are different species. Loving my wife does not mean I will tolerate her sleeping with any man. In the same way, Jesus loving you does not mean he will tolerate you worshiping the devil. In fact, it is His love for you that will cause Him not to accept you worshipping the devil - He knows the result. I will not accept sin in the name of love - if you will, may it be. Best regards, Paul. Jesus Christ is LOVE! Please tell somebody.
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We can argue the point all day long, but if the sinner is not willing to change his or her life, they will be rejected by Jesus. Love does not equal acceptance/tolerance.
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"If you are going through hell, keep going." - Sir Winston ChurchillJason Henderson wrote: the sinner :confused: I guess my point is, and you said so yourself, it is for God to accept/reject someone into everlasting life. You don't know Anna, or most others, and it is not your place to judge, as you have already seemed to, calling her a sinner. I won't pretend to understand his situation/desires. I know someone who has gone through the whole transformation(we used to play guitar together), and still don't get it. But I don't think there's anything fundamentally wrong with it. Anyway, we disagree, and thats fine. Peace. BW The only people for me are the mad ones, the ones who are mad to talk, mad to live, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding. - Jack Kerouac
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I wonder how you would expect people to treat you in Anna's situation ? Would you like to meet my teddy bear ?
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Having a disease is not a sin. However, I agree with John Simmons, just b/c someone gave it a name, doesn't mean it's a real condition. Just like today, homosexuality used to be considered a mental condition that should be treated, now it's an "alternative lifestyle" and everyone's ok with it. A man physically changing his body to become a woman, and I'm assuming pursue relationships with men, is a sin. Christians are not to associate with people that are sinning with no desire to repent. "But now I have written to you not to keep company with anyone named a brother, who is sexually immoral, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or an extortioner--not even to eat with such a person." (1 Cor 5:11) "Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God." (1 Cor 6:9-11) Sodomite refers to the more masculine in the homosexual relationship while the greek word tranlated as "homesexual" refers to the more effeminate in the relationship. That some churches gladly welcome these people into their fellowship shows that that church does not value Scripture. Jason Gerard "This almost never matters, except quite often."
Jason Gerard wrote: However, I agree with John Simmons, just b/c someone gave it a name, doesn't mean it's a real condition I agree, we label things to give them status to remove ourselves from responsibility. As soon as we can name something and have a crooked doc. looking for fame back it up, we feel better about our personal problems which we need to solve ourselves and not run away from or use labels to shield us. However Anna is free to feel what she wants and do what she wants with her body IMO. If I do not like it then I will leave her alone but I will tolerate it, no skin off my nose. As for the explanations you gave regarding this "sin", thanks, I thought as much. Not that I agree with it, simply that at least I understand, and respect for that is his belief, why Paul said what he said, though IMO he should have not replied at all and just left it alone. Or does scripture advocate openly and actively pursuing "sinners" such as Anna? I am truthfully interested and not wanting to argue about it, just want to know :)
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Anna :) wrote: I'm glad to call you all my friends. Just exclude me, please. Best regards, Paul. Jesus Christ is LOVE! Please tell somebody.
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Anna :) wrote: I'm glad to call you all my friends. Just exclude me, please. Best regards, Paul. Jesus Christ is LOVE! Please tell somebody.
Well, lots of people have answered you appropriately but I'd like to make a suggestion. If you have nothing positive to say then don't say anything! It's quite simple - your opinion was not asked for, an offer of friendship was made. If you choose to reject it there is no need to make that public. Unfortunately, your flippant comment has effectively hijacked this thread. Are you happy now? Why do some people feel the need to express their feelings no matter who they offend? :mad: "The folly of man is that he dreams of what he can never achieve rather than dream of what he can."
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John, you can hide who you are if you wish. I won't condemn you for that, and nor should anyone else. I won't and can't do that though, so don't ask me. I've done what I had to, and I'm not going to pretend to have a past I didn't have. Anna :rose: "Be yourself - not what others think you should be"
- Marcia GraeschOh come on the hell on - give us a decent reply, not some glucose-coated cream-pie, un-sincere sensitivity crap. Be a man while you can still back it up... ------- signature starts "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio. ------- signature ends
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Jason Henderson wrote: the sinner :confused: I guess my point is, and you said so yourself, it is for God to accept/reject someone into everlasting life. You don't know Anna, or most others, and it is not your place to judge, as you have already seemed to, calling her a sinner. I won't pretend to understand his situation/desires. I know someone who has gone through the whole transformation(we used to play guitar together), and still don't get it. But I don't think there's anything fundamentally wrong with it. Anyway, we disagree, and thats fine. Peace. BW The only people for me are the mad ones, the ones who are mad to talk, mad to live, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding. - Jack Kerouac
brianwelsch wrote: You don't know Anna, or most others, and it is not your place to judge, as you have already seemed to, calling her a sinner. "the sinner" was a generalization referring to those that sin and do not repent (keep on sinning), although I believe that what Anna is doing is sinful if he now has sex with men. He is a man and always will be. It is my place to judge. We all judge people everyday. The wrongness of judging comes when you are hypocritical in your judgments.
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