Abortion Law...
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1.21 Gigawatts wrote:
It seems to me a bit archaic that a western country in this day and age can have such 'outdated' laws.
What's an outdated law except one you disagree with? I'm not a great fan of abortion either but I do think that banning it completely is a bit OTT.
Aside from the abortion issue. While it is the right of citizens of any country to seek to change the laws of that country, and many laws in many countries are objectionable to others elsewhere I will be very worried if the European courts can overturn a member countries domestic law. The most that can be done normally is for sanctions to be brought against any country that offend the prevailing world opinion, and even then the country concerned can ignore those sanctions if they want. Happens all the time. If the laws of a sovereign country can be overturned by any external legislative power then that country is no longer a sovereign country. A government need only defend it's laws before it's own legislative body, if it has one, which in fact is part of the law making process in most countries anyway.
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Aside from the abortion issue. While it is the right of citizens of any country to seek to change the laws of that country, and many laws in many countries are objectionable to others elsewhere I will be very worried if the European courts can overturn a member countries domestic law. The most that can be done normally is for sanctions to be brought against any country that offend the prevailing world opinion, and even then the country concerned can ignore those sanctions if they want. Happens all the time. If the laws of a sovereign country can be overturned by any external legislative power then that country is no longer a sovereign country. A government need only defend it's laws before it's own legislative body, if it has one, which in fact is part of the law making process in most countries anyway.
If you have knowledge, let others light their candles at it. Margaret Fuller (1810 - 1850) [My Articles] [My Website]
A contentious issue for many of us in the EU, but it was our governments who signed up to all these new rules, whereby a bunch of unelected lawyers can overturn our laws on a whim without any reference to the people. I'm almost tempted to join the CSS party. :mad:
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It is a country ruled by an Extremist Religion that denies its followers the rights that others have. Mind you, they still have massive amounts of abortions, go on the early ferry from Dublin to Liverpool and it is full of young Colleens on the way to the clinics in England!
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Dalek Dave wrote:
It is a country ruled by an Extremist Religion that denies its followers the rights that others have.
Actually it's ruled by a democratically elected government. That they choose not to repeal this law has very little to do with religion.
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Dalek Dave wrote:
It is a country ruled by an Extremist Religion that denies its followers the rights that others have.
Actually it's ruled by a democratically elected government. That they choose not to repeal this law has very little to do with religion.
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Dalek Dave wrote:
It is a country ruled by an Extremist Religion that denies its followers the rights that others have.
Actually it's ruled by a democratically elected government. That they choose not to repeal this law has very little to do with religion.
Who all obey an old man in a chair in Rome.
------------------------------------ No Good Deed Goes Unpunished Clare Boothe Luce
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Who all obey an old man in a chair in Rome.
------------------------------------ No Good Deed Goes Unpunished Clare Boothe Luce
He he. :~ Actually, Church has a great effect in Italy too, regarding everything ranging from abortion to immigration. Everyone has the right to think and tell whatever they want, but the problem starts when politicians are explicitly doing something or promoting a law to "preserve Christian origins of Italy" (or any other religion/Country). The government tried to ban the Ru486 abortion pill because Church said it's immoral and abortion gets too easy (which is not true). As many others, I think abortion is a terrible act, but I respect the opinion of everyone and I think that it should be allowed (as it is). What I can see, generally, is that Christians try to limit your own freedom, to impose their own beliefs on you. Kind of a new middle age. :suss:
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Dalek Dave wrote:
It is a country ruled by an Extremist Religion that denies its followers the rights that others have.
Actually it's ruled by a democratically elected government. That they choose not to repeal this law has very little to do with religion.
Interesting how laws are so weird. In California, we just had a case where a guy killed a woman 4 months pregnant with twins. He is being charged with 3 counts of homicide (and losts else, thank God). If a Doctor had killed them, no big deal. Are the twins people, or aren't they?
Opacity, the new Transparency.
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Interesting how laws are so weird. In California, we just had a case where a guy killed a woman 4 months pregnant with twins. He is being charged with 3 counts of homicide (and losts else, thank God). If a Doctor had killed them, no big deal. Are the twins people, or aren't they?
Opacity, the new Transparency.
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Dalek Dave wrote:
It is a country ruled by an Extremist Religion that denies its followers the rights that others have.
Actually it's ruled by a democratically elected government. That they choose not to repeal this law has very little to do with religion.
Bah. Ireland's head is stuck so far up the pope's ass, it's a frickin marvel that anyone in Ireland has actually seen the sun.
-- Kein Mitleid Für Die Mehrheit
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That's pretty much at the discretion of the mother. If she's willing to take them to term, yes, if not, no. If you have a particular problem with that, we can take them from her and implant them in your womb for the remainder of the pregnancy.
Distind wrote:
That's pretty much at the discretion of the mother.
Huh. Thats a funny way to look at it, since nobody asked the dead mother. The government just assumed that they were people without her say so. That sure sounds like the government pushing it's way in on a woman's choice.
Opacity, the new Transparency.
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Bah. Ireland's head is stuck so far up the pope's ass, it's a frickin marvel that anyone in Ireland has actually seen the sun.
-- Kein Mitleid Für Die Mehrheit
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Neither would I. Good thing I'm not in a Dublin bar then. :)
-- Kein Mitleid Für Die Mehrheit