Who will topple first? Google or Microsoft?
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No doubt Google owns a lot of ad-space but they don't own all of it and there are significant sites that don't use Google advertising. Offer them a better advertising system and then target the sites that do use Google advertising. Show them the money and they'll switch. End up with just Google owned sites running Google ads. You are right that it would be interesting to see the break-down of Google ad-space. Their search is good and it is a big ad-space but I'm not sure (gut assumption, no figures to back that up) Google could survive on it alone these days. There is also the case for going at it through the advertisers. Show them good results for non-Google ad-space and they'll start diverting money to you and then Google will suffer. It's not so much about the users. We play a part but we aren't as powerful as we think we are. If we were we'd have killed off that Gator company years ago.
cheers, Paul M. Watson.
Ok here is the breakdown: 67% of Google revenue comes from ads on Google Websites (Gmail, Google.com etc) 30% comes from ad-words (or doubleclick stuff) running on other websites 3% comes from licensing What I could not find was the division within the Google websites. What you are talking about is the 30% which is significant but not critical. In the end you have to develop better search, maps, mail apps, docs apps, videos apps, etc. to eat up Google revenue. I think search may make up more than 70% of ad revenues from Google web sites. So if someone develops a better search they still have a chance (unless they don't get acquired by Google).
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Ok here is the breakdown: 67% of Google revenue comes from ads on Google Websites (Gmail, Google.com etc) 30% comes from ad-words (or doubleclick stuff) running on other websites 3% comes from licensing What I could not find was the division within the Google websites. What you are talking about is the 30% which is significant but not critical. In the end you have to develop better search, maps, mail apps, docs apps, videos apps, etc. to eat up Google revenue. I think search may make up more than 70% of ad revenues from Google web sites. So if someone develops a better search they still have a chance (unless they don't get acquired by Google).
Good figures thanks. You can still hurt Google by talking to the advertisers who are the ones giving Google money. They will accept better ROI over pure traffic numbers. Advertisers are already wising up that traffic != That 30% isn't insignificant. It, and other ad-space on other sites, represents the wedge you use to pull advertising money away from the 70% properties. (Not saying any of this is easy. If it were it would have been done. But don't think the 70% represents an unassailable fortress.)
cheers, Paul M. Watson.
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ragnaroknrol wrote:
Windows update.
Do you know how many people keep their systems up to date with Windows Update as soon as an update is released? Very few. Most companies only selective deploy windows upates. Windows Update is not an efficient tool for deploying updates. It's a lot efficient than deploying using CDs but it still lacks the efficiency of deployement of web sites/web applications.
You know how many people go insane when the media says there is a virus that can kill your machines out there? They run it immediately if told. So you make IE have code to block ad sense. Since you are asking for a lawsuit anyway, might as well go whole hog and make it work. Put in code to make IE go flaky and prompt the user to run windows update on the machine when it is told to because a new update to break ad sense again is ready. "Oh, explorer is getting slow and having problems with some sites, it says to run updates to fix this. Guess I will."
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Kevin McFarlane wrote:
I wouldn't say they are far weaker, but they are weaker though. They need to be better to make any headway, not just as good.
That was exactly my point.
Kevin McFarlane wrote:
I thought there were plenty of alternatives. Perhaps you mean there are no half decent alternatives?
Linux is still too generic to be used from other then sys admins, programmers or dedicated teenage geeks. The GCC is a very good compiler but without a good interface for the GDB, decent IDE and visual framework it is useless for creating business software of any kind.
Kevin McFarlane wrote:
Google's isn't, though the bulk of it is.
Not sure I understand this. :)
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Deyan Georgiev wrote:
but without a good interface for the GDB, decent IDE and visual framework it is useless for creating business software of any kind
*cough* Qt Creator[^] gdb interface? Check. Decent IDE? Check. Visual framework? Check. :)
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Media2r wrote:
Careful now - you might invoke the wrath of the almighty "ah blow me!" CSS...
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Media2r wrote:
Careful now - you might invoke the wrath of the almighty "ah blow me!" CSS...
FTFY Don't mention it ;)
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Will Google ever be toppled from search? Will MS ever be toppled from OS or from Office apps? If so, which will happen first? In theory it should be easier to topple Google than MS. In practice Google seems to be just as hard to topple as MS.
Kevin
I know not this "Google" of which you speak.
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Media2r wrote:
Careful now - you might invoke the wrath of the almighty "ah blow me!" CSS...
FTFY Don't mention it ;)
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Just when I thought I'd see the end to FTFY :)
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Just when I thought I'd see the end to FTFY :)
Glad to oblige :)
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Google is in the advertising business. They may have competencies in hundreds of other areas but over 90% of its revenues come from advertising. Invent a better advertising system and Google will topple. It will be unable to sustain all its free services. You don't have to compete with Google's email or mobile OS products, you only have to compete with their advertising product (good luck with that.) (Just saying you shouldn't confuse what a company does with what pays the bills. Microsoft has expensive departments carried by just a few core departments that make all the money. So they are susceptible too.)
cheers, Paul M. Watson.
That's if they don't buy you out. Why beat the system when you can buy the system? Good to see you hear Paul, been a while :)
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Just when I thought I'd see the end to FTFY :)
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Norm .net wrote:
Just when I thought I'd see the end to FTFY
Yeah - THAT'S likely to happen in the near future... //L
Media2r wrote:
Yeah - THAT'S likely to happen in the near future...
Html formmatting error - FTFY
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Media2r wrote:
Yeah - THAT'S likely to happen in the near future...
Html formmatting error - FTFY
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Vikram, On the side note, was AP really tensed with the telangana issue.. Being in Germany , I could not gauge the mood in India My old geography book is missing around 5-6 states already :)
cheers, Super ------------------------------------------ Too much of good is bad,mix some evil in it
I'm in Madras going insane with a migration issue, but yes, I get the idea Telengana is boiling. There's plenty of violence, a colleague on a visit to Hyd last week passed through Osmania Univ five minutes before a riot. (We ragged him saying he instigated it and escaped :) )
Cheers, Vikram. (Got my troika of CCCs!)
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Deyan Georgiev wrote:
but without a good interface for the GDB, decent IDE and visual framework it is useless for creating business software of any kind
*cough* Qt Creator[^] gdb interface? Check. Decent IDE? Check. Visual framework? Check. :)
My Linux development adventures was some six years ago, so that is something new for me. Thanks! Bookmarked and five voted!
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Will Google ever be toppled from search? Will MS ever be toppled from OS or from Office apps? If so, which will happen first? In theory it should be easier to topple Google than MS. In practice Google seems to be just as hard to topple as MS.
Kevin
Kevin McFarlane wrote:
Will Google ever be toppled from search? Will MS ever be toppled from OS or from Office apps?
Of course. We don't live in a static world and every now and again there is a 'game changing' innovation or product.
Kevin McFarlane wrote:
If so, which will happen first? In theory it should be easier to topple Google than MS. In practice Google seems to be just as hard to topple as MS.
I couldn't guess.
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Ever? You mean like in 50,000,000,000 years time? Of course, both will be long gone. (Sorry but the question is useless to ask. Even if you define "Ever" as "in 5 years" you'll be a monkey's uncle if you guess right. Who would have predicted MySpace losing to Facebook so quickly? Altavista to Yahoo to Google so quickly? Now we have this "dominant" phase going on and... impossible to say when it will end and by whom.)
cheers, Paul M. Watson.
Paul Watson wrote:
Who would have predicted MySpace losing to Facebook so quickly?
Anybody who isn't blind? :-D
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The EU will prevent either from toppling the other in the interest of competition. Only an EU firm would ever be permitted to topple either...
Wrong! What EU would do is to present a ballot screen for consumers to choose which company they want to topple. :)
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I think Microsoft unless it changes its pricing model. There comes a point when an OS and an office suite is good enough for 99% of the people so no need to buy it again.
John
WinXP and Office 2003?