Improving your job prospects
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Absolutely awesome response! I will unashamedly borrow (steal?) some of your ideas! Marc
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Glad to be of service. :-D
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In addition: 1) Good quality paper rather than the cheap stuff, and a first class stamp or hand delivered. Both show that you care about the presentation to the company, rather than looking like a bulk mail shot. 2) NO SPELLING MISTAKES! 3) Get someone else to read it before you submit. You will read what you meant to write, they will read what you wrote. You don't have to take the advice, but it can elimiate the "sentance that ended in mid 4) Don't include "weird" hobbies - if you are a lay preacher, keep it to yourself. Remember that they will have to work with you - because they will remember. 5) Make sure your MySpace / FaceBook etc. pages are not incriminating!
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OriginalGriff wrote:
- Make sure your Stay the **** away from cr@p like MySpace / FaceBook etc. pages are not incriminating!
There. Much better.
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OriginalGriff wrote:
MySpace / FaceBook etc. pages are not incriminating
Is it a good idea to mention one's Facebook / MySpace account in a CV at all?
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modified on Wednesday, January 6, 2010 12:28 PM
Abhinav S wrote:
Is it a good idea to mention one's Facebook / MySpace account in a CV at all?
No, but would you want to work for someone who can't press a "Search" button?
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LinkedIn recommendations? Man! I've seen glowing recommendations for ex-colleagues of mine who were complete numpties. Had considered getting recommendations for myself there, but I though if everyone can get a good recommendation, what's the point?
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LinkedIn recommendations? Man! I've seen glowing recommendations for ex-colleagues of mine who were complete numpties. Had considered getting recommendations for myself there, but I though if everyone can get a good recommendation, what's the point?
I agree, but when you combine recommendations on Linked In along with a good resume, and a good interview it all starts to come together as a package that just enhances the total view of 'you' to a potential hiring manager. I think 'glowing recommendations who are complete numpties' ends up getting weeded out in the end for the most part :)
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What do you guys recommend to increase your job prospects? Some companies look at certs, or a magic number of years of experience, etc.
Tough call on some things. But I get lots of jobs with the following. I'm a contractor so I usually know ahead of time when my job is going to end. CERTS I do have a cert, but not all certs are equal. You should ask around about specific certs you are thinking about. Mine gets me jobs. Oracle OCP DBA. Unless you've got a lot going for you, any training you've had is something the people on the other side of the table won't have to pay for. Naturally the cert won't impress the hiring guy if he's tech savvy, but you have to get by a lot of people before you see him and those people pay attention to Certs. Pretty much because nobody gets fired for getting the certified guy into an interview. I do also have experience, which is what they look for more than anything else. Experience trumps all with the actual manager. But experience doesn't cut it with the HR gate keepers. If I were hiring it would be experience and then everything else, but I'm not. I also don't tell all my experience or they think I'm too old. I stop at the 15 year mark, which is arbitrary. RESUMES My resume has sections. Most people who read a resume won't get beyond the first 3 inches. So the top is targeted to the specific job I've sent the resume to. Top section: summary, about 7 lines. This indicates my 'best foot forward' of both hard and soft skills. One or two sentences each. Preferably one. Next section: summary of my technical skills. I trim this down for every resume. Turns out that hiring managers don't want a generalist, they want a specialist. Sure a generalist is better; but they don't believe you if you claim to be one. So I rip out anything that isn't relevant to the job I'm applying for for that version of the resume. Always working from a master copy of course. I always pretend to have a niche. Next section: professional experience, starting now and going back. Every title is a description of what I did, how I would title it rather than the title I walked around with at the time. In a few cases, my title actually reflected what I did. I never use the word "Specialist" in any title that is less than eight years old. Specialist is a word indicating "low paid and inexperienced" to the HR people. In each case I try to put numbers to the statements. If I would otherwise say "I was given responsibility of the company's reporting structure" I would include "consisting of 500 plus reports". If I say "experience as a database programmer" then I say how many years, or I say ho
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I recommend highlighting relevant experience when submitting a resume/cv to an employer. It is a bit of extra work modifying your resume per submission but it has help me in the past. Also, I've found some employers like to see a cover letter along with a resume; I've also found some hate them :).
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I won't even look at a resume that doesn't come with a cover letter. It just comes across like a bulk mail shoot if there isn't a somewhat tailored cover letter attached. Also, I'm not sure why people send email resumes with the cover letter as an attachment - if you are emailing a resume, the email body IS the cover letter.
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Tough call on some things. But I get lots of jobs with the following. I'm a contractor so I usually know ahead of time when my job is going to end. CERTS I do have a cert, but not all certs are equal. You should ask around about specific certs you are thinking about. Mine gets me jobs. Oracle OCP DBA. Unless you've got a lot going for you, any training you've had is something the people on the other side of the table won't have to pay for. Naturally the cert won't impress the hiring guy if he's tech savvy, but you have to get by a lot of people before you see him and those people pay attention to Certs. Pretty much because nobody gets fired for getting the certified guy into an interview. I do also have experience, which is what they look for more than anything else. Experience trumps all with the actual manager. But experience doesn't cut it with the HR gate keepers. If I were hiring it would be experience and then everything else, but I'm not. I also don't tell all my experience or they think I'm too old. I stop at the 15 year mark, which is arbitrary. RESUMES My resume has sections. Most people who read a resume won't get beyond the first 3 inches. So the top is targeted to the specific job I've sent the resume to. Top section: summary, about 7 lines. This indicates my 'best foot forward' of both hard and soft skills. One or two sentences each. Preferably one. Next section: summary of my technical skills. I trim this down for every resume. Turns out that hiring managers don't want a generalist, they want a specialist. Sure a generalist is better; but they don't believe you if you claim to be one. So I rip out anything that isn't relevant to the job I'm applying for for that version of the resume. Always working from a master copy of course. I always pretend to have a niche. Next section: professional experience, starting now and going back. Every title is a description of what I did, how I would title it rather than the title I walked around with at the time. In a few cases, my title actually reflected what I did. I never use the word "Specialist" in any title that is less than eight years old. Specialist is a word indicating "low paid and inexperienced" to the HR people. In each case I try to put numbers to the statements. If I would otherwise say "I was given responsibility of the company's reporting structure" I would include "consisting of 500 plus reports". If I say "experience as a database programmer" then I say how many years, or I say ho
This should really be a blog post or something so that people can find it, instead of being relegated to page 10,000 in this forum.
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This should really be a blog post or something so that people can find it, instead of being relegated to page 10,000 in this forum.
True. I'm not sure where to hang it. I wonder if I should explore doing an article for Code Project on job hunting?
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In addition: 1) Good quality paper rather than the cheap stuff, and a first class stamp or hand delivered. Both show that you care about the presentation to the company, rather than looking like a bulk mail shot. 2) NO SPELLING MISTAKES! 3) Get someone else to read it before you submit. You will read what you meant to write, they will read what you wrote. You don't have to take the advice, but it can elimiate the "sentance that ended in mid 4) Don't include "weird" hobbies - if you are a lay preacher, keep it to yourself. Remember that they will have to work with you - because they will remember. 5) Make sure your MySpace / FaceBook etc. pages are not incriminating!
All those who believe in psycho kinesis, raise my hand.
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...you mean, "sentence," right?
That's the least of that lines problems! :laugh:
All those who believe in psycho kinesis, raise my hand.
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True. I'm not sure where to hang it. I wonder if I should explore doing an article for Code Project on job hunting?
_____________________________ Every app cloud has a user whining.
I would fully support such an endevour :thumbsup:
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Ray Cassick wrote:
But I don't know a single person that does hiring today that does not visit these sites on a regular basis once the resume has been received.
I've actually done that to recruiters. Look them up on the social sites as well. No reason why we can't do it, allows some ability to know what the recruiter/ company is like. Also shows you did your research :p
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Ray Cassick wrote:
But I don't know a single person that does hiring today that does not visit these sites on a regular basis once the resume has been received.
I've actually done that to recruiters. Look them up on the social sites as well. No reason why we can't do it, allows some ability to know what the recruiter/ company is like. Also shows you did your research :p
///////////////// Groucho Marx Those are my principles, if you don't like them… I have others.
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I completely agree. Before sending out a resume, one should be very wise of their online persona. Employers nowadays always look up applicants’ names in search engines, whether it was mentioned in the resume or not. And why not? There is so much information on almost everyone. When personal web pages come up with animations showing violence, derogatory comments, or just anything objectionable, most employers will disqualify the applicant right away, it saves time. I recommend a review of everything that is your “online you” before sending out a resume.
