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  • H Harvey Saayman

    I'm busy writing a high load TCP server from absolute scratch in C# I've just started to implement the protocol I've been designing over the past few weeks and I really want to make an effort to comment this well because its quite complex and maintenance will be much easier that way, especially if other programmers need to maintain it a few years down the line. I've decided to make use of regions more than inline code comments although the in-lines are still there (usually explaining why your in a specific part of an if statement) So how do you comment your code?

    Harvey Saayman - South Africa Software Developer .Net, C#, SQL you.suck = (you.Occupation == jobTitles.Programmer && you.Passion != Programming) 1000100 1101111 1100101 1110011 100000 1110100 1101000 1101001 1110011 100000 1101101 1100101 1100001 1101110 100000 1101001 1101101 100000 1100001 100000 1100111 1100101 1100101 1101011 111111

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    Regions aren't an adequate replacement for comments. I comment the code profusely, and in the event that there is a sufficiently complex implementation, I write a separate "How It Works" document in Word, and make check that document into source control with the rest of the project.

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    • realJSOPR realJSOP

      Regions aren't an adequate replacement for comments. I comment the code profusely, and in the event that there is a sufficiently complex implementation, I write a separate "How It Works" document in Word, and make check that document into source control with the rest of the project.

      .45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
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      "The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001

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      Dalek Dave
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      John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

      I comment the code profusely, and in the event that there is a sufficiently complex implementation, I write a separate "How It Works" document in Word, and make check that document into source control with the rest of the project.

      That seems very concise, but I, unfortunately, have never written anything so complex as to warrent that. However, I shall bear it in mind if ever I do.

      ------------------------------------ No Good Deed Goes Unpunished Clare Boothe Luce

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      • H Harvey Saayman

        I'm busy writing a high load TCP server from absolute scratch in C# I've just started to implement the protocol I've been designing over the past few weeks and I really want to make an effort to comment this well because its quite complex and maintenance will be much easier that way, especially if other programmers need to maintain it a few years down the line. I've decided to make use of regions more than inline code comments although the in-lines are still there (usually explaining why your in a specific part of an if statement) So how do you comment your code?

        Harvey Saayman - South Africa Software Developer .Net, C#, SQL you.suck = (you.Occupation == jobTitles.Programmer && you.Passion != Programming) 1000100 1101111 1100101 1110011 100000 1110100 1101000 1101001 1110011 100000 1101101 1100101 1100001 1101110 100000 1101001 1101101 100000 1100001 100000 1100111 1100101 1100101 1101011 111111

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        dan sh
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        I prefer this: 1. Group related methods in a region. 2. XML style commenting for the methods. You can also keep each method in a region of its own. This removes the scrolling required in case of huge file. 3. If the method is huge, break that into regions as well (better to split it into smaller methods). 4. Every important line/block of code should have a comment before stating what it is doing. 5. In case there are nested if/else, keep footer comments to make sure you don't have to wonder where did you missed that closing "}". 6. In case you have written some "work around" (read weird stuff), do not forget to mention the reason for it or else the other guy would mess that curse you forever. 7. In the end, read the entire file and get rid of excessive commenting.

        50-50-90 rule: Anytime I have a 50-50 chance of getting something right, there's a 90% probability I'll get it wrong...!!

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        • N Nelek

          I have done it as well. But not only deleting comments, sometimes editing function names (search and replace) with some cryptic / not easy names as well (of course having a relation of the equivalences just in case to be able to reverse it)

          Regards. -------- M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpfull answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.

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          Nelek wrote:

          editing function names (search and replace) with some cryptic / not easy names

          Has anyone ever asked you what Function FormatCDrive() actually does?

          I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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            Nagy Vilmos wrote:

            I am trying to get the monkeys developers here to get in the habbit of writting comments BEFORE code. This might aseem stupid but it is very effective.

            Seems anything but stupid, to me. Some of us remember the days when writing code from pseudocode was the norm. It's amazing the number of improvements you can come up with (and logical errors you can spot) by writing down what things will do before writing the code for them.

            I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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            • M Mark_Wallace

              Nelek wrote:

              editing function names (search and replace) with some cryptic / not easy names

              Has anyone ever asked you what Function FormatCDrive() actually does?

              I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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              Dalek Dave
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              hmm, let me just try th

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              • H Harvey Saayman

                I'm busy writing a high load TCP server from absolute scratch in C# I've just started to implement the protocol I've been designing over the past few weeks and I really want to make an effort to comment this well because its quite complex and maintenance will be much easier that way, especially if other programmers need to maintain it a few years down the line. I've decided to make use of regions more than inline code comments although the in-lines are still there (usually explaining why your in a specific part of an if statement) So how do you comment your code?

                Harvey Saayman - South Africa Software Developer .Net, C#, SQL you.suck = (you.Occupation == jobTitles.Programmer && you.Passion != Programming) 1000100 1101111 1100101 1110011 100000 1110100 1101000 1101001 1110011 100000 1101101 1100101 1100001 1101110 100000 1101001 1101101 100000 1100001 100000 1100111 1100101 1100101 1101011 111111

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                Ravi Bhavnani
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                I've been using a simple yet effective rule for writing comments for decades:

                • Remove all code except for block boundaries (i.e. everything except stuff in conditional expressions and opening and closing curly braces).
                • Do the remaining comments and "code shell" represent the psuedocode fairly accurately?
                • If yes, you're done. Else, you need more comments.

                It's amazing how well this rule works.  Without conciously trying, applying this rule caused me to move from writing few long-winded PhD thesis comment blocks to several small one-line phrases that increase readability many fold. /ravi

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                • H Harvey Saayman

                  I'm busy writing a high load TCP server from absolute scratch in C# I've just started to implement the protocol I've been designing over the past few weeks and I really want to make an effort to comment this well because its quite complex and maintenance will be much easier that way, especially if other programmers need to maintain it a few years down the line. I've decided to make use of regions more than inline code comments although the in-lines are still there (usually explaining why your in a specific part of an if statement) So how do you comment your code?

                  Harvey Saayman - South Africa Software Developer .Net, C#, SQL you.suck = (you.Occupation == jobTitles.Programmer && you.Passion != Programming) 1000100 1101111 1100101 1110011 100000 1110100 1101000 1101001 1110011 100000 1101101 1100101 1100001 1101110 100000 1101001 1101101 100000 1100001 100000 1100111 1100101 1100101 1101011 111111

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                  Single Step Debugger
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                  I don’t comment my code, even the most complex parts. Nobody pays me for comments, they want functionality and reliability. What?

                  The narrow specialist in the broad sense of the word is a complete idiot in the narrow sense of the word. Advertise here – minimum three posts per day are guaranteed.

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                  • D Dalek Dave

                    John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

                    I comment the code profusely, and in the event that there is a sufficiently complex implementation, I write a separate "How It Works" document in Word, and make check that document into source control with the rest of the project.

                    That seems very concise, but I, unfortunately, have never written anything so complex as to warrent that. However, I shall bear it in mind if ever I do.

                    ------------------------------------ No Good Deed Goes Unpunished Clare Boothe Luce

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                    realJSOP
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                    I do it mainly for myself so that I can remember the whats-and-whys more than anything else, and to provide a foundation of knowledge regarding the system, and the reasons for its existence.

                    .45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
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                    "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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                    "The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001

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                    • S Single Step Debugger

                      I don’t comment my code, even the most complex parts. Nobody pays me for comments, they want functionality and reliability. What?

                      The narrow specialist in the broad sense of the word is a complete idiot in the narrow sense of the word. Advertise here – minimum three posts per day are guaranteed.

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                      Dalek Dave
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                      And you want to keep the contract, right?

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                      • realJSOPR realJSOP

                        Regions aren't an adequate replacement for comments. I comment the code profusely, and in the event that there is a sufficiently complex implementation, I write a separate "How It Works" document in Word, and make check that document into source control with the rest of the project.

                        .45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
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                        "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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                        "The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001

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                        dan sh
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                        John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

                        I write a separate "How It Works" document in Word

                        Cool! I also maintain a notepad file (just for myself) containing why I wrote the code block that way. I also try to maintain what I had tried and why it failed so that I don't end up doing same thing again.

                        50-50-90 rule: Anytime I have a 50-50 chance of getting something right, there's a 90% probability I'll get it wrong...!!

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                          And you want to keep the contract, right?

                          ------------------------------------ No Good Deed Goes Unpunished Clare Boothe Luce

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                          Single Step Debugger
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                          Dalek Dave wrote:

                          And you want to keep the contract, right?

                          I definitely do, but this doesn’t involve losing hours and hours in writing useless comments.

                          /*
                          * This function returns the next document in the sequence!
                          *This is an extremely useful comment! It makes me feel real professional!
                          *My Mother will be real proud with me! And I’m going to use an automates toll to generate an utterly
                          *useless documentation for this application.
                          *
                          */
                          LPDISPATCH CDocumentation::GetTheNextDocumentWithPreview()
                          {
                          iDispatch->GetNextDocument(true);
                          }

                          The narrow specialist in the broad sense of the word is a complete idiot in the narrow sense of the word. Advertise here – minimum three posts per day are guaranteed.

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                            Join the cool kids - Come fold with us[^]

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                            Mark_Wallace
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                            Trollslayer wrote:

                            CalcNumber firstNumber = CalcNumber.create(3);
                            CalcNumber secondNumber = CalcNumber.create(2);
                            CalcNumber nutting = CalcNumber.create(0);

                            figureToPost = firstNumber + secondNumber;
                            figureToPost += nutting;

                            returnString = figureToPost.ToString();
                            fullPoint = ".";

                            String.Concat(returnString, fullPoint);

                            return returnString;

                            See? Works every time! Your pseudocode helped me construct it easily!

                            I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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                            • H Harvey Saayman

                              I'm busy writing a high load TCP server from absolute scratch in C# I've just started to implement the protocol I've been designing over the past few weeks and I really want to make an effort to comment this well because its quite complex and maintenance will be much easier that way, especially if other programmers need to maintain it a few years down the line. I've decided to make use of regions more than inline code comments although the in-lines are still there (usually explaining why your in a specific part of an if statement) So how do you comment your code?

                              Harvey Saayman - South Africa Software Developer .Net, C#, SQL you.suck = (you.Occupation == jobTitles.Programmer && you.Passion != Programming) 1000100 1101111 1100101 1110011 100000 1110100 1101000 1101001 1110011 100000 1101101 1100101 1100001 1101110 100000 1101001 1101101 100000 1100001 100000 1100111 1100101 1100101 1101011 111111

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                              Daniel Grunwald
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                              I comment the public API of my classes using XML documentation comments. Though often it's obvious what a method is doing given its name, so I only fill in a short summary and leave out the parameters/return value stuff. I do use regions to group methods in large classes. I think it's a sign that the class is too large, but that's unavoidable in some frameworks (e.g. when writing WPF controls). For the implementation inside methods, I usually don't write any comments initially. If I have to change the code to fix bugs, I'll add comments why the fix was necessary (unless the bug was just some kind of typo). Basically, you shouldn't need comments to see what the code is doing. Inline comments should explain why the code is doing it, but only if that isn't obvious given the method's name/documentation. I also make use heavy use of invariants, so my Debug.Assert statements can be seen as a kind of comment.

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                              • H Harvey Saayman

                                I'm busy writing a high load TCP server from absolute scratch in C# I've just started to implement the protocol I've been designing over the past few weeks and I really want to make an effort to comment this well because its quite complex and maintenance will be much easier that way, especially if other programmers need to maintain it a few years down the line. I've decided to make use of regions more than inline code comments although the in-lines are still there (usually explaining why your in a specific part of an if statement) So how do you comment your code?

                                Harvey Saayman - South Africa Software Developer .Net, C#, SQL you.suck = (you.Occupation == jobTitles.Programmer && you.Passion != Programming) 1000100 1101111 1100101 1110011 100000 1110100 1101000 1101001 1110011 100000 1101101 1100101 1100001 1101110 100000 1101001 1101101 100000 1100001 100000 1100111 1100101 1100101 1101011 111111

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                                Joe Woodbury
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                                I rarely do. I've found comments are pretty useless and mostly good for giving people warm and fuzzies. Instead, I use very descriptive names for functions, methods, classes and variables and keep my code as simple as possible. Same with my coworkers.

                                Harvey Saayman wrote:

                                (usually explaining why your in a specific part of an if statement)

                                See, that's idiotic. If your "if" statement is written so poorly that you don't know why you're in it, your programming technique sucks. Some code I just wrote:

                                ...
                                } while (m_curSelection != orgSelection && !m_pItems[m_curSelection].IsSelectable());

                                No comment is going to make that more clear.

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                                • H Harvey Saayman

                                  I'm busy writing a high load TCP server from absolute scratch in C# I've just started to implement the protocol I've been designing over the past few weeks and I really want to make an effort to comment this well because its quite complex and maintenance will be much easier that way, especially if other programmers need to maintain it a few years down the line. I've decided to make use of regions more than inline code comments although the in-lines are still there (usually explaining why your in a specific part of an if statement) So how do you comment your code?

                                  Harvey Saayman - South Africa Software Developer .Net, C#, SQL you.suck = (you.Occupation == jobTitles.Programmer && you.Passion != Programming) 1000100 1101111 1100101 1110011 100000 1110100 1101000 1101001 1110011 100000 1101101 1100101 1100001 1101110 100000 1101001 1101101 100000 1100001 100000 1100111 1100101 1100101 1101011 111111

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                                  Marc Clifton
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                                  Harvey Saayman wrote:

                                  I've decided to make use of regions

                                  I despise regions!

                                  Harvey Saayman wrote:

                                  So how do you comment your code?

                                  Don't tell me what the code does (I can figure that out quickly enough) tell me WHY it does it, and what the decisions were to lead up to that implementation. That brings a lot more understanding, IMO. Marc

                                  Will work for food. Interacx

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                                    Harvey Saayman wrote:

                                    I've decided to make use of regions

                                    I despise regions!

                                    Harvey Saayman wrote:

                                    So how do you comment your code?

                                    Don't tell me what the code does (I can figure that out quickly enough) tell me WHY it does it, and what the decisions were to lead up to that implementation. That brings a lot more understanding, IMO. Marc

                                    Will work for food. Interacx

                                    I'm not overthinking the problem, I just felt like I needed a small, unimportant, uninteresting rant! - Martin Hart Turner

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                                    Marc Clifton wrote:

                                    I despise regions!

                                    Unfortunately, I think most people think of regions as a documentation mechanism, rather than an editing tool. I use them to make the outlining more useful. With regions, I can more quickly collapse parts of the code out of the way so I can concentrate on the other bits.

                                    Software Zen: delete this;

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                                    • H Harvey Saayman

                                      I'm busy writing a high load TCP server from absolute scratch in C# I've just started to implement the protocol I've been designing over the past few weeks and I really want to make an effort to comment this well because its quite complex and maintenance will be much easier that way, especially if other programmers need to maintain it a few years down the line. I've decided to make use of regions more than inline code comments although the in-lines are still there (usually explaining why your in a specific part of an if statement) So how do you comment your code?

                                      Harvey Saayman - South Africa Software Developer .Net, C#, SQL you.suck = (you.Occupation == jobTitles.Programmer && you.Passion != Programming) 1000100 1101111 1100101 1110011 100000 1110100 1101000 1101001 1110011 100000 1101101 1100101 1100001 1101110 100000 1101001 1101101 100000 1100001 100000 1100111 1100101 1100101 1101011 111111

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                                      Ennis Ray Lynch Jr
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                                      I hate regions. Ironically, the C++ TCP server I wrote doesn't have any comments while most of my code is usually extensively, logically commented.

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                                      • H Harvey Saayman

                                        I'm busy writing a high load TCP server from absolute scratch in C# I've just started to implement the protocol I've been designing over the past few weeks and I really want to make an effort to comment this well because its quite complex and maintenance will be much easier that way, especially if other programmers need to maintain it a few years down the line. I've decided to make use of regions more than inline code comments although the in-lines are still there (usually explaining why your in a specific part of an if statement) So how do you comment your code?

                                        Harvey Saayman - South Africa Software Developer .Net, C#, SQL you.suck = (you.Occupation == jobTitles.Programmer && you.Passion != Programming) 1000100 1101111 1100101 1110011 100000 1110100 1101000 1101001 1110011 100000 1101101 1100101 1100001 1101110 100000 1101001 1101101 100000 1100001 100000 1100111 1100101 1100101 1101011 111111

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                                        N a v a n e e t h
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                                        I too hate regions.

                                        Harvey Saayman wrote:

                                        So how do you comment your code?

                                        I hardly write comments because it is very hard to keep it updated when you change the code. IMO, most of the programmers can easily read code without the help of comments. All you need to ensure is the code is well written by using meaningful method and class names. :)

                                        Best wishes, Navaneeth

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                                          Marc Clifton wrote:

                                          I despise regions!

                                          Unfortunately, I think most people think of regions as a documentation mechanism, rather than an editing tool. I use them to make the outlining more useful. With regions, I can more quickly collapse parts of the code out of the way so I can concentrate on the other bits.

                                          Software Zen: delete this;

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                                          Marc Clifton
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                                          Gary Wheeler wrote:

                                          With regions, I can more quickly collapse parts of the code out of the way so I can concentrate on the other bits.

                                          My "region" limit is files. If the code is getting so big in a particular class (let's assume here that there's one class per file) then it can be broken up into separate files, even with the same class, or perhaps the class design should be looked at. I don't like regions around fields, properties, events, etc., because mostly I'm not even looking at those anyways. But happily, I can set the editor to not collapse regions for those that do like regions, so I'm happy. :) Marc

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                                          I'm not overthinking the problem, I just felt like I needed a small, unimportant, uninteresting rant! - Martin Hart Turner

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