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  • C Christian Graus

    So, every year we grow yellow zucchini, b/c once we have that in, we never eat any other type. This year, I've cooked with it twice and both times it's so bitter that it renders any food cooked remotely near it to be inedible. Any CP gardeners have any idea how this could happen ? They look great, the plant is growing great, at one point some leaves were a little yellow, so I gave it some plant food. It's growing in an area that was basically clay, so I bought bags of potting mix to put a layer on top. The cucumber and the lettuce from that area taste great, and the chilis and capsicum ( peppers for Yanks ) are also growing well.

    Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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    Marc Clifton
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    Christian Graus wrote:

    twice and both times it's so bitter

    Try soaking them in salt water for a few hours first. Marc

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    • C Christian Graus

      ROTFL - you've got it backwards, you call capsicum 'peppers', even tho they are not hot.

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      Shog9 0
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      Heh... When I see "capsicum", I immediately think of capsaicin - which most certainly is hot. If your capsicum aren't hot, then you're probably talking about what we call "bell" peppers.

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      • C Christian Graus

        So, every year we grow yellow zucchini, b/c once we have that in, we never eat any other type. This year, I've cooked with it twice and both times it's so bitter that it renders any food cooked remotely near it to be inedible. Any CP gardeners have any idea how this could happen ? They look great, the plant is growing great, at one point some leaves were a little yellow, so I gave it some plant food. It's growing in an area that was basically clay, so I bought bags of potting mix to put a layer on top. The cucumber and the lettuce from that area taste great, and the chilis and capsicum ( peppers for Yanks ) are also growing well.

        Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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        Paul M Watt
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        Zucchini is part of the Cucurbitacea Family. The members of this family produce cucurbitacins, and they can cause the plant to have a bitter taste. Cucumbers will produce more cucurbitacins based on many of environmental growing conditions, and can usually be controlled. The zucchinis that produce high amounts of this chemical are thought to be caused by a gene in the plant instead. Therefore, there is probably nothing you can do about it, and in fact you should remove the plant from your garden, and make sure not to use any of the seeds from this plant for your next crop. Here is a link that has some good info: http://www.donnan.com/Zucchini.htm[^]

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        • C Christian Graus

          We've had tons of rain, and the temperature has been up and down as a result. I've under watered if anything, using a weeper hose to try to keep water off my tomato leaves as I can't kill the fungus on them.

          Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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          J Dunlap
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          Yep, weeper hoses are very good for that. I've also found over the years that although moist conditions on the leaves help the fungi grow, the most important factor in whether the tomato plants succumb to the diseases is whether the soil is bare or covered with clean mulch (I use up to 3 inches of it). The primary source of the disease is the soil, and if the soil is exposed, the fungi will reach the leaves, whether by drifting or by tiny droplets of water splashing up. Also, if you mix a tsp of baking soda and a tsp of soap flakes (not detergent) in a qt/litre of water and spray it on the leaves from time to time starting when the plants are 8-10 inches high, it helps protect them from disease (doesn't kill it when it's established but makes conditions unfavorable). Also when the plants get big, take off the leaves at the very bottom, eventually up to 6 in from the ground.

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          • C Christian Graus

            So, every year we grow yellow zucchini, b/c once we have that in, we never eat any other type. This year, I've cooked with it twice and both times it's so bitter that it renders any food cooked remotely near it to be inedible. Any CP gardeners have any idea how this could happen ? They look great, the plant is growing great, at one point some leaves were a little yellow, so I gave it some plant food. It's growing in an area that was basically clay, so I bought bags of potting mix to put a layer on top. The cucumber and the lettuce from that area taste great, and the chilis and capsicum ( peppers for Yanks ) are also growing well.

            Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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            martin_hughes
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            Is the outer skin dark and tough to cut?

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              Heh... When I see "capsicum", I immediately think of capsaicin - which most certainly is hot. If your capsicum aren't hot, then you're probably talking about what we call "bell" peppers.

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              Christian Graus
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              Yes, that is correct.

              Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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                Is the outer skin dark and tough to cut?

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                Christian Graus
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                It's a little tough, but still yellow.

                Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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                • C Christian Graus

                  So, every year we grow yellow zucchini, b/c once we have that in, we never eat any other type. This year, I've cooked with it twice and both times it's so bitter that it renders any food cooked remotely near it to be inedible. Any CP gardeners have any idea how this could happen ? They look great, the plant is growing great, at one point some leaves were a little yellow, so I gave it some plant food. It's growing in an area that was basically clay, so I bought bags of potting mix to put a layer on top. The cucumber and the lettuce from that area taste great, and the chilis and capsicum ( peppers for Yanks ) are also growing well.

                  Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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                  Ennis Ray Lynch Jr
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                  I usually find that the problem is adding zucchini to the food in the first place. Even the smallest amount of zucchini renders a dish inedible.

                  Need custom software developed? I do custom programming based primarily on MS tools with an emphasis on C# development and consulting. A man said to the universe: "Sir I exist!" "However," replied the universe, "The fact has not created in me A sense of obligation." --Stephen Crane

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                  • E Ennis Ray Lynch Jr

                    I usually find that the problem is adding zucchini to the food in the first place. Even the smallest amount of zucchini renders a dish inedible.

                    Need custom software developed? I do custom programming based primarily on MS tools with an emphasis on C# development and consulting. A man said to the universe: "Sir I exist!" "However," replied the universe, "The fact has not created in me A sense of obligation." --Stephen Crane

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                    Shog9 0
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                    Really? While i'll confess to liking the flavor, it's usually quite subtle... And i generally marinate them before grilling, or spice them before baking, further de-emphasizing what flavor there is.

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                    • C Christian Graus

                      It's a little tough, but still yellow.

                      Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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                      martin_hughes
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                      Ah, right. Only reason I mention it is I grew some marrows last year harvested quite young they were soft and succulent. I let a few grow large - we'd had enough of marrow by that point :) - and they were really tough and dark and tasted quite bitter, especially compared to the youngish ones.

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                      • C Christian Graus

                        So, every year we grow yellow zucchini, b/c once we have that in, we never eat any other type. This year, I've cooked with it twice and both times it's so bitter that it renders any food cooked remotely near it to be inedible. Any CP gardeners have any idea how this could happen ? They look great, the plant is growing great, at one point some leaves were a little yellow, so I gave it some plant food. It's growing in an area that was basically clay, so I bought bags of potting mix to put a layer on top. The cucumber and the lettuce from that area taste great, and the chilis and capsicum ( peppers for Yanks ) are also growing well.

                        Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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                        Roger Wright
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                        You already have the links from other posts that I was going to send you, but I think you need to work on your soil a little more. Clay soils are terrible for growing gardens, though some plants are tolerant of it. They also usually contain hydroxides that raise the pH significantly, making the soil alkaline. Clay soil is hard for water to penetrate, so with a layer of potting soil on top it is still possible that the roots are starved for water even though the surface has been well soaked. Once wetted, clays do not drain well, and the retained moisture can cause root rot and other fungal problems, and can suffocate the roots. Poorly drained soils build up high concentrations of salts that are harmful to the plants, as well. Proper soil needs good drainage and moisture retention, a mid-range pH, air and organic material for the plants to thrive. I would recommend adding compost, peat or sphagnum moss, steer manure, and sand to the garden patch and till it into the soil to a depth of at least 12". That may take a lot of bags from the nursery, but I'd try to get the soil to about 1/3 organic matter, 2/3 clay and sand as a starting point, then see how it goes for a year. If you don't already have an abundance of them, add earthworms to the mix (after you're done tilling, of course). Worms aid in distributing the organic material, assist in the nitrogen fixing cycle and maintaining a proper bacterial culture, and aerate the soil nicely. A soil test kit is a cheap investment; after you've blended the soil test it. Be sure to use distilled water for the test, by the way - our water here is so mineralized that a test on the water produces the same results as a soil test using it. I've spent years modifying the alkaline, clay desert soil here, but it's coming along very well and I've got things growing I never thought would survive. It can be done, and it's worth the effort. :-D

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                        • C Christian Graus

                          Why must Americans always have strange names for things ? It appears you are right, it can be called that. This[^] is exactly what I am growing.

                          Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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                          Kyudos
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                          I don't know which part of America you are think of Christian, but Zucchini is the American name as far as I'm concerned. In the UK, they are called courgettes. We also use "pepper" to refer to well...peppers...capsicum seems to be an Oz/NZ thing...

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                            I don't know which part of America you are think of Christian, but Zucchini is the American name as far as I'm concerned. In the UK, they are called courgettes. We also use "pepper" to refer to well...peppers...capsicum seems to be an Oz/NZ thing...

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                            Vikram A Punathambekar
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                            Oddly enough, capsicum is an India thing. Pepper here refers to this[^]

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                              Christian Graus wrote:

                              Why must Americans always have strange names for things ?

                              Says the Aussie that calls peppers "capsicum"... :doh:

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                              Brady Kelly
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                              Saffers call them baby marrows.

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                              • E Ennis Ray Lynch Jr

                                I usually find that the problem is adding zucchini to the food in the first place. Even the smallest amount of zucchini renders a dish inedible.

                                Need custom software developed? I do custom programming based primarily on MS tools with an emphasis on C# development and consulting. A man said to the universe: "Sir I exist!" "However," replied the universe, "The fact has not created in me A sense of obligation." --Stephen Crane

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                                Brady Kelly
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                                Nooo! I eat zucchini plain, for beteween meal snacks, they're so good.

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                                • C Christian Graus

                                  Why must Americans always have strange names for things ? It appears you are right, it can be called that. This[^] is exactly what I am growing.

                                  Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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                                  Roger Wright
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                                  As far as I've ever known, what you're growing is yellow summer squash; zucchini are dark green, but they are obviously close relatives. I've grown both, and have found no better way to alienate neighbors than walking down the street with a cart full of zucchini. After the first few harvests of the season drapes are drawn, doors slammed and bolted, and lights turned out until you pass safely out of range. One good plant goes a long way! :-D Another very productive type is Scallop Squash[^], which seems to continue producing all summer long, as fast as you can cut it.

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                                    As far as I've ever known, what you're growing is yellow summer squash; zucchini are dark green, but they are obviously close relatives. I've grown both, and have found no better way to alienate neighbors than walking down the street with a cart full of zucchini. After the first few harvests of the season drapes are drawn, doors slammed and bolted, and lights turned out until you pass safely out of range. One good plant goes a long way! :-D Another very productive type is Scallop Squash[^], which seems to continue producing all summer long, as fast as you can cut it.

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                                    Gary Wheeler
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                                    Hmm. You have an easy-going neighborhood. In mine, we have border guards and folks with zucchini are met with automatic weapons locked and loaded.

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                                      Hmm. You have an easy-going neighborhood. In mine, we have border guards and folks with zucchini are met with automatic weapons locked and loaded.

                                      Software Zen: delete this;

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                                      Roger Wright
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                                      :laugh: :laugh:

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                                        :laugh: :laugh:

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                                        Gary Wheeler
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                                        My own mother is one of the worst offenders. Fortunately, since she's mostly retired now, she doesn't have the budget for Kevlar™[^] she used to, so we don't wake up as often with bags of the things on our porch.

                                        Software Zen: delete this;

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                                        • C Christian Graus

                                          Why must Americans always have strange names for things ? It appears you are right, it can be called that. This[^] is exactly what I am growing.

                                          Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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                                          bahalana
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                                          Well this American never heard of 'courgette'. Where I'm from we always called that 'summer squash'. Sorry, can't tell you why it might be bitter though.

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