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Lost User

Oh? The last I heard about TPB was their new IPREDator[^] service, which is a VPN service with which you can pirate as much as you want for €5 a month or something - even if you live in a country without freedom, such as the USA The site is, of course, still very much online.

Lost User

Btw, about their trial, they appealed the verdict and the appeal court trial is expected to begin mid 2010.

Ssswamii

They're defiant thieves. I hope they go down in flames.

Lost User

You sound uninformed. What do you think they stole? They just offer a tracker and a search engine, no content.

Dan Neely

By the same logic The Break and Enter shop's sale of lock picks to any random person who walks in the door and The Drug Fiend's Pipeshop selling crack pipes to anyone who walks in the door (in countries where smoking crack is illegal) are also legit. In the USA the latter is a crime (selling drug paraphernalia) and I'm 95% sure selling the former to anyone who isn't a locksmith is also illegal.

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Lost User

Your logic is flawed, sir :) The Pirate Bay can be (and is) used for legitimate purposes (to find linux torrents etc), and like any site with user generated content they are not directly responsible for the content. Also, Google is just as guilty as the pirate bay (searching on google sometimes works even better than searching on TPB!) edit: even if The Pirate Bay can be used for "illegal" things, that doesn't make them thieves. At worst they'd be accessory to crime.

Dan Neely

By the same logic a drug shop would be legal if they also sold candy bars. The difference between TBP and a legitimate search site is in their actions. A legit site responds to being used to facilitate illegal activities by removing the offending material not by posting a gloating 'you can't stop us neener neener neener' message vs youtube pulling DMCA violations. How they present themselves is also important; going back to my previous post Joe's Tobacco Shop can make a credible defense if one of the dozens of pipes it sells is mostly used by crackheads crackpipes are us cannot.

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Lost User

The drug store would have to be stocked by the customers though :) The second point is valid of course (which is why it surprised me so much that mininova was killed! they were going by they rules!)

Dan Neely

TPB is stocked by (a subset of) it's customers; as are all open torrent sites. As for mininova I don't know any specifics but my questions would be on how hard did they try to clean the warez out; eg was the process of reporting particularly onerous? did they make reasonable efforts to keep new trackers from being uploaded as soon as the old ones were removed? what percentage of their total trackers were warez at any given time? what percentage of the total up/download traffic generated by the torrents was warez?

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Lost User

I think you're mixing some of the terminology.. Anyway, I don't have the raw numbers of course, I have a feeling that they didn't do anything except on request (which is by the rules as I understand them), even some of mine were removed, such as the extracted installers for Windows Live Mail and Live Messenger (technically it's illegal to redistribute them, but the original installer is broken so it doesn't work on XP x64, someone had to do something - it's still on TPB of course) The court ruled that they had to filter their content, and they did, well sort of, and now their site is useless. The generated traffic holds no meaning though, the filesize of a torrent depends mostly on the number of pieces it has (and thus the number of SHA1 hashes it contains), but the piece size is variable. torrent files are usually smaller than 100kb (exceptions always exist of course), so I'd guess that Mininova's traffic was mostly generated by the website itself (not counting their content delivery programme, which has always been "legal torrents only"). So technically 0% of their traffic was warez. As a rough guestimate I'd guess 99% of their torrent-downloads were torrents that "point to" (by means of SHA1 hash) warez. Mininova did not have it's own tracker.