I have no idea why I am genuinely saddened by this
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I respect sun for the vision ("The Network Is The Computer") they had but I don't understand what made them not take the lead??
Sun was born, because they saw the power of the RISC architecture. Digital had Alpha (even better RISC) years before Sun, but the internal combat within Digital effectively killed Alpha (later to be reborn in 5 years or so). By that time, Sun was shipping oodles and oodles of these cheap, FAST, workstations that destroyed heavy / mid range iron. But Sun's niche shrunk....
Charlie Gilley You're going to tell me what I want to know, or I'm going to beat you to death in your own house. "Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783
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Sun has been absorbed by oracle: www.sun.com[^] Possibly because the SUN Solaris systems at Uni (in the early 90s) where far better than any of the other machines available (to us Physics students at least) in the computer labs. I should chunter, on like an old man, about using pine & emacs as e-mail readers now.... :-)
CCC solved so far: 2 (including a Hard One!) 37!?!! - Randall, Clerks
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Sun was born, because they saw the power of the RISC architecture. Digital had Alpha (even better RISC) years before Sun, but the internal combat within Digital effectively killed Alpha (later to be reborn in 5 years or so). By that time, Sun was shipping oodles and oodles of these cheap, FAST, workstations that destroyed heavy / mid range iron. But Sun's niche shrunk....
Charlie Gilley You're going to tell me what I want to know, or I'm going to beat you to death in your own house. "Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783
Sun predates RISC by a long way - I was using Sun 3 computers with 680x0 processors back in the 1980s...
Java, Basic, who cares - it's all a bunch of tree-hugging hippy cr*p CodeProject MVP for 2010 - who'd'a thunk it!
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Sun has been absorbed by oracle: www.sun.com[^] Possibly because the SUN Solaris systems at Uni (in the early 90s) where far better than any of the other machines available (to us Physics students at least) in the computer labs. I should chunter, on like an old man, about using pine & emacs as e-mail readers now.... :-)
CCC solved so far: 2 (including a Hard One!) 37!?!! - Randall, Clerks
No surprise here, Oracle is too bound by Java to let this language to go under with Sun.
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Sun predates RISC by a long way - I was using Sun 3 computers with 680x0 processors back in the 1980s...
Java, Basic, who cares - it's all a bunch of tree-hugging hippy cr*p CodeProject MVP for 2010 - who'd'a thunk it!
Absolutely..... but they weren't on my radar until the RISC machines ate my lunch ;)
Charlie Gilley You're going to tell me what I want to know, or I'm going to beat you to death in your own house. "Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783
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Sun has been absorbed by oracle: www.sun.com[^] Possibly because the SUN Solaris systems at Uni (in the early 90s) where far better than any of the other machines available (to us Physics students at least) in the computer labs. I should chunter, on like an old man, about using pine & emacs as e-mail readers now.... :-)
CCC solved so far: 2 (including a Hard One!) 37!?!! - Randall, Clerks
keefb wrote:
I should chunter, on like an old man, about using pine & emacs as e-mail readers now....
I disagree, mutt and Vim are clearly superior. They're all I use, home or uni. :) I guess I was just born a few years late.
Paul
The flight towards the light I'll stay in the lava for life Ísland
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Richard MacCutchan wrote:
I also miss pine and emacs
Pine I miss. It was a lovely little email reader. Nothing current really gives me anything more than what I had with Pine. I would happily go back to pine. Emacs on the other hand, yes I used it, but visual studio does so much more. I wouldn't go back.
Simon
Simon P Stevens wrote:
I would happily go back to pine.
Why not relive your youth? Alpine is alive and kicking, and if you prefer a certain not-to-be-mentioned commercial OS, there's always PC-Pine.
Paul
The flight towards the light I'll stay in the lava for life Ísland
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Sun has been absorbed by oracle: www.sun.com[^] Possibly because the SUN Solaris systems at Uni (in the early 90s) where far better than any of the other machines available (to us Physics students at least) in the computer labs. I should chunter, on like an old man, about using pine & emacs as e-mail readers now.... :-)
CCC solved so far: 2 (including a Hard One!) 37!?!! - Randall, Clerks
Ya know the worst part... Sun bought MySQL. Oracle bought Sun. Oracle now owns MySQL. Now they CLAIM they're going to keep it alive... But come on...
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in? Author of Guardians of Xen (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novel)
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Ya know the worst part... Sun bought MySQL. Oracle bought Sun. Oracle now owns MySQL. Now they CLAIM they're going to keep it alive... But come on...
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Ian Shlasko wrote:
Ya know the worst part...
That's actually the best part :jig: MySQL is the saddest excuse of a DBMS that I worked with (and I worked with Access as well, in case you wonder).
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Ian Shlasko wrote:
Ya know the worst part...
That's actually the best part :jig: MySQL is the saddest excuse of a DBMS that I worked with (and I worked with Access as well, in case you wonder).
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Except it's free, and it "just works" for web stuff... As opposed to the 100lb gorilla that is Oracle.
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Except it's free, and it "just works" for web stuff... As opposed to the 100lb gorilla that is Oracle.
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Hey, it was never meant to be a true RDBMS, but it's just right as a backend for forums/CMS/etc on anything less than an enterprise-level site. Besides, most amateur web developers don't want to fork over thousands of dollars for Oracle or Sybase. MySQL and PostgreSQL are good alternatives.
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in? Author of Guardians of Xen (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novel)
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Hey, it was never meant to be a true RDBMS, but it's just right as a backend for forums/CMS/etc on anything less than an enterprise-level site. Besides, most amateur web developers don't want to fork over thousands of dollars for Oracle or Sybase. MySQL and PostgreSQL are good alternatives.
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in? Author of Guardians of Xen (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novel)
Ian Shlasko wrote:
Hey, it was never meant to be a true RDBMS, but it's just right as a backend for forums/CMS/etc on anything less than an enterprise-level site.
Neither was i.e. BerkleyDB, but it is still a good piece of software; ditto for SQLite. MySQL is simply broken and the best thing for it to happen is let it die and convert all users to PostgreSQL or Firebird.
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Ian Shlasko wrote:
Hey, it was never meant to be a true RDBMS, but it's just right as a backend for forums/CMS/etc on anything less than an enterprise-level site.
Neither was i.e. BerkleyDB, but it is still a good piece of software; ditto for SQLite. MySQL is simply broken and the best thing for it to happen is let it die and convert all users to PostgreSQL or Firebird.
I’m agree with you except for the Firebird part. It’s probably superior to MySQL but it’s also obsolete in so many ways: SQL dialect is very poor/ver. 1-3 IIRC/ and totally not consistent with T-SQL or P-SQL, performance issues when tables exceed 400K rows, network problems/broken packets etc./, no build in replication… From the other hand PostgreSQL is a little difficult for inexperience developers to learn, but it’s the best free RDBMS out there.
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Sun has been absorbed by oracle: www.sun.com[^] Possibly because the SUN Solaris systems at Uni (in the early 90s) where far better than any of the other machines available (to us Physics students at least) in the computer labs. I should chunter, on like an old man, about using pine & emacs as e-mail readers now.... :-)
CCC solved so far: 2 (including a Hard One!) 37!?!! - Randall, Clerks
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wana come to sunset point? :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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Sun has been absorbed by oracle: www.sun.com[^] Possibly because the SUN Solaris systems at Uni (in the early 90s) where far better than any of the other machines available (to us Physics students at least) in the computer labs. I should chunter, on like an old man, about using pine & emacs as e-mail readers now.... :-)
CCC solved so far: 2 (including a Hard One!) 37!?!! - Randall, Clerks
there is always opensolaris besides the management dolts at oracle would be stupid to extinguish Sun and PARC, because afterall Oracle is centered around what? a single database engine? primarily a single product? Sun was an innovation machine. If Oracle is smart, they will keep around the Sun brand, because we all know what happens to companies with a limited offering (like Oracle)... they eventually are overtaken by the competition. Sun rocks!:cool:
David
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Ya know the worst part... Sun bought MySQL. Oracle bought Sun. Oracle now owns MySQL. Now they CLAIM they're going to keep it alive... But come on...
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in? Author of Guardians of Xen (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novel)
You're right about that. Oracle acquiring MySQL has changed my thoughts on using it. I had plans on using it for various future development plans but as soon as I realized that Larry was buying Sun out, I knew that I had to change my plans. Oracle is only required to keep MySQL alive for another five years after the acquisition per regulatory agreements (with the US), if I recall reading things properly, which means after that five years is up, then what's going to happen. Larry may just decided change things to the point of killing off MySQL altogether for the benefit of his flagship product. That's possibly what he has had in mind all along. As for the fate of Java, I don't really know. Oracle didn't have a language to call its own, that I know of, so perhaps now that it has it's hands on Java, it will change things for the better (hopefully). I'm wary to invest any further time or commitments into either technology at this point until I know for sure that Larry's intentions don't include the death blow to both technologies.
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Sun has been absorbed by oracle: www.sun.com[^] Possibly because the SUN Solaris systems at Uni (in the early 90s) where far better than any of the other machines available (to us Physics students at least) in the computer labs. I should chunter, on like an old man, about using pine & emacs as e-mail readers now.... :-)
CCC solved so far: 2 (including a Hard One!) 37!?!! - Randall, Clerks
I think being saddened is acceptable.. there wasn't much that was evil about sun. In any case I think it is a good fit between the two, so I expect a lot of stuff will live on.