Raise Your Hand If You're a Terrorist
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Well, you decided to quote the worst part, but the point is that the definition is so broad that basically anybody who appears to be causing trouble could be labeled as advocating the overthrow of the government including the moronic "tea party", elements of which have routinely made statements to the effect of seizing the government and throwing out the democratically elected president as well as Glenn Beck, Rush, O'Reilly, etc... Actually, on second thoughts, maybe it's not a bad idea.
Wjousts wrote:
that the definition is so broad that basically anybody who appears to be causing trouble could be labeled as advocating the overthrow of the government including the moronic "tea party"
Not so. There is a difference between advocating change of policy/change of politicians and advocating the overthrow of the government. 'Change of policy' includes stop spending our great-grand-children's income, get out of Iraq 'Change of politicians' is kick Bush/Obama out of office 'Overthrow of the government' may be a method to implement that change, but it implies changing the way of government, outside of the methods provided by our way of government. For instance, it is legal to try to pass a constitutional amendment that installs a president for life, it is not legal to attempt to stay in the presidency past the inauguration of your successor, as so many claimed Bush would try to do.
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It is an encroachment of civil liberties and a step in the direction of tyranny. In all honesty, subversive organizations are necessary for the continuing freedom of the American Way of Life.
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That is not true, as there is a difference between 'opposition' and 'subversion'. Opposition says 'get out of Vietnam', subversion sets a bomb off in the Pentagon. Opposition includes civil disobedience, subversion, civil unrest. Which brings up a pet peeve - people who engage in civil disobedience and then get mad for having been arrested.
Opacity, the new Transparency.
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That is not true, as there is a difference between 'opposition' and 'subversion'. Opposition says 'get out of Vietnam', subversion sets a bomb off in the Pentagon. Opposition includes civil disobedience, subversion, civil unrest. Which brings up a pet peeve - people who engage in civil disobedience and then get mad for having been arrested.
Opacity, the new Transparency.
RichardM1 wrote:
Which brings up a pet peeve - people who engage in civil disobedience and then get mad for having been arrested.
You're not the only one. I know someone who did that sort of thing back in the late 60s/70s. For "fun" whenever he or his friends were arrested they claimed membership in the SLA[^] or weathermen[^] to make the cops waste money them for a week and the FBI to waste a week or so of time figuring out they were being lied to. Now I've been told Momey's Amex card is standard equipment to allow posting bail as soon as you arrive at the police station. For some reason the current generation of student protesters are taken a lot less seriously than their parents were. :rolleyes:
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RichardM1 wrote:
Which brings up a pet peeve - people who engage in civil disobedience and then get mad for having been arrested.
You're not the only one. I know someone who did that sort of thing back in the late 60s/70s. For "fun" whenever he or his friends were arrested they claimed membership in the SLA[^] or weathermen[^] to make the cops waste money them for a week and the FBI to waste a week or so of time figuring out they were being lied to. Now I've been told Momey's Amex card is standard equipment to allow posting bail as soon as you arrive at the police station. For some reason the current generation of student protesters are taken a lot less seriously than their parents were. :rolleyes:
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Dan Neely wrote:
For some reason the current generation of student protesters are taken a lot less seriously than their parents were.
Since their parents did it, they aren't freaked. By '82, it'd gone from 'unheard of' to 'rite of passage'. I had friends arrested at the Pentagon, just to be cool. In today's war, only volunteers serve, so the cost of violent protest is too high. Viva La Revolución :rolleyes:
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"The Raw Story reports that terrorists who want to overthrow the United States government must now register with South Carolina's Secretary of State and declare their intentions — or face a $25,000 fine and up to 10 years in prison. The 'Subversive Activities Registration Act' passed last year in South Carolina and now officially on the books states that 'every member of a subversive organization, or an organization subject to foreign control, every foreign agent and every person who advocates, teaches, advises or practices the duty, necessity or propriety of controlling, conducting, seizing or overthrowing the government of the United States ... shall register with the Secretary of State.'" Since this only applies to terrorists that are part of a subversive organization, independent terrorists with no affiliation are free to conduct subversive activities without first registering. I wonder if this means that after conducting a terrorist act, they have to leave their credentials at the scene so that the authorities can be assured that the group has met all of the legal requirements necessary to operate in the state of South Carolina... Absurdity at it's finest...
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
... every member of a subversive organization, or an organization subject to foreign control, every foreign agent and every person who ...
It applies to everyone who wants to do the listed, including US Citizens. But it makes it illegal to not self-incriminate.
Opacity, the new Transparency.
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"The Raw Story reports that terrorists who want to overthrow the United States government must now register with South Carolina's Secretary of State and declare their intentions — or face a $25,000 fine and up to 10 years in prison. The 'Subversive Activities Registration Act' passed last year in South Carolina and now officially on the books states that 'every member of a subversive organization, or an organization subject to foreign control, every foreign agent and every person who advocates, teaches, advises or practices the duty, necessity or propriety of controlling, conducting, seizing or overthrowing the government of the United States ... shall register with the Secretary of State.'" Since this only applies to terrorists that are part of a subversive organization, independent terrorists with no affiliation are free to conduct subversive activities without first registering. I wonder if this means that after conducting a terrorist act, they have to leave their credentials at the scene so that the authorities can be assured that the group has met all of the legal requirements necessary to operate in the state of South Carolina... Absurdity at it's finest...
.45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
The Raw Story reports that terrorists who want to overthrow the United States government must now register with South Carolina's Secretary of State and declare their intentions
I'm way late to the party here, but what if they just want to leave a huge dent rather than go for the overthrow? Overthrowing is hard work, craters are easy.
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"The Raw Story reports that terrorists who want to overthrow the United States government must now register with South Carolina's Secretary of State and declare their intentions — or face a $25,000 fine and up to 10 years in prison. The 'Subversive Activities Registration Act' passed last year in South Carolina and now officially on the books states that 'every member of a subversive organization, or an organization subject to foreign control, every foreign agent and every person who advocates, teaches, advises or practices the duty, necessity or propriety of controlling, conducting, seizing or overthrowing the government of the United States ... shall register with the Secretary of State.'" Since this only applies to terrorists that are part of a subversive organization, independent terrorists with no affiliation are free to conduct subversive activities without first registering. I wonder if this means that after conducting a terrorist act, they have to leave their credentials at the scene so that the authorities can be assured that the group has met all of the legal requirements necessary to operate in the state of South Carolina... Absurdity at it's finest...
.45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001It's the same to obtain a visa for the states. They practically ask you if you are a terrorist in the form :P.
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"The Raw Story reports that terrorists who want to overthrow the United States government must now register with South Carolina's Secretary of State and declare their intentions — or face a $25,000 fine and up to 10 years in prison. The 'Subversive Activities Registration Act' passed last year in South Carolina and now officially on the books states that 'every member of a subversive organization, or an organization subject to foreign control, every foreign agent and every person who advocates, teaches, advises or practices the duty, necessity or propriety of controlling, conducting, seizing or overthrowing the government of the United States ... shall register with the Secretary of State.'" Since this only applies to terrorists that are part of a subversive organization, independent terrorists with no affiliation are free to conduct subversive activities without first registering. I wonder if this means that after conducting a terrorist act, they have to leave their credentials at the scene so that the authorities can be assured that the group has met all of the legal requirements necessary to operate in the state of South Carolina... Absurdity at it's finest...
.45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001It's just an attempt to make a law that allows them to arrest terrorists for just being terrorists, even if they haven't engaged in any actual terrorist activity. Even if they can't prove if the person set off the bomb, if he belongs to a terrorist organization and didn't register, he's still guilty and can be prosecuted. I expect that one to make it to SCOTUS and be struck down, frankly. At least I'd *hope* they'd strike it down.
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Let's see. South Carolina. That's the state with the AWOL governor whose 'soul mate' was some bimbo from Argentina. That's the state with the esteemed representative to the House who sees screaming 'You lie!' at the State of the Union address as a way to political success. (And not surprisingly, this being South Carolina, it worked.) Nuff said.
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Dalek Dave wrote:
, I see this more as a money gathering operation.
Al Capone was convicted for income-tax evasion; so now, would-be terrorists could be convicted of not registering if there are not enough proofs that they did actually commit a terror act.
Watched code never compiles.
I am reminded of Minnesota passing the marijuana tax stamp law back in the 80s. It served only as a another nail in the coffin for pot dealers. What? No stamp? Now it's tax evasion! What? You have a stamp? You're a dealer! catch 22.
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Being a US citizen, you wouldn't have to do this, but when non-US people fly into the US on the visa waiver program, you have to sign a form, part of which says (paraphrasing) "I am not a terrorist, and I don't plan to engage in terrorism while in the US" Do they really expect anyone to say anything else? :doh:
They also require finger prints, two in 2008 and all ten in 2009 in 2008 I didn't have any finger prints on the required fingers due to electrical burn (yes, that monitor was plugged in!) so when they took all ten the system got confused and I was made to sit in immergration with some DODGY people. :sigh:
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"The Raw Story reports that terrorists who want to overthrow the United States government must now register with South Carolina's Secretary of State and declare their intentions — or face a $25,000 fine and up to 10 years in prison. The 'Subversive Activities Registration Act' passed last year in South Carolina and now officially on the books states that 'every member of a subversive organization, or an organization subject to foreign control, every foreign agent and every person who advocates, teaches, advises or practices the duty, necessity or propriety of controlling, conducting, seizing or overthrowing the government of the United States ... shall register with the Secretary of State.'" Since this only applies to terrorists that are part of a subversive organization, independent terrorists with no affiliation are free to conduct subversive activities without first registering. I wonder if this means that after conducting a terrorist act, they have to leave their credentials at the scene so that the authorities can be assured that the group has met all of the legal requirements necessary to operate in the state of South Carolina... Absurdity at it's finest...
.45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
... every member of a subversive organization, or an organization subject to foreign control ...
So this applies to Catholics as well? I know America supported the IRA, but treating them all as terrorists seems a bit harsh. :rolleyes:
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer
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Being somewhat cynical, as I am oft want to be, I see this more as a money gathering operation. That is to say that should anyone commit an act of terrorism, their assets can be claimed by the appropriate body and it not be used to pay for his family or further terrorism outrages. Be careful though, I suspect that 'Terrorism' has not been defined, and therefore if you were to drive too quickly, the charge may be laid that you were 'terrorising' other road users, and your home and other assets stripped and used to pay for the state. Just the accountant in me coming out again.
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"The Raw Story reports that terrorists who want to overthrow the United States government must now register with South Carolina's Secretary of State and declare their intentions — or face a $25,000 fine and up to 10 years in prison. The 'Subversive Activities Registration Act' passed last year in South Carolina and now officially on the books states that 'every member of a subversive organization, or an organization subject to foreign control, every foreign agent and every person who advocates, teaches, advises or practices the duty, necessity or propriety of controlling, conducting, seizing or overthrowing the government of the United States ... shall register with the Secretary of State.'" Since this only applies to terrorists that are part of a subversive organization, independent terrorists with no affiliation are free to conduct subversive activities without first registering. I wonder if this means that after conducting a terrorist act, they have to leave their credentials at the scene so that the authorities can be assured that the group has met all of the legal requirements necessary to operate in the state of South Carolina... Absurdity at it's finest...
.45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001Sorry, Indie Terrorists, but it applies to you as well: "...every person who advocates, teaches, advises or practices the duty, necessity or propriety of controlling, conducting, seizing or overthrowing the government of the United States ... shall register with the Secretary of State."
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"The Raw Story reports that terrorists who want to overthrow the United States government must now register with South Carolina's Secretary of State and declare their intentions — or face a $25,000 fine and up to 10 years in prison. The 'Subversive Activities Registration Act' passed last year in South Carolina and now officially on the books states that 'every member of a subversive organization, or an organization subject to foreign control, every foreign agent and every person who advocates, teaches, advises or practices the duty, necessity or propriety of controlling, conducting, seizing or overthrowing the government of the United States ... shall register with the Secretary of State.'" Since this only applies to terrorists that are part of a subversive organization, independent terrorists with no affiliation are free to conduct subversive activities without first registering. I wonder if this means that after conducting a terrorist act, they have to leave their credentials at the scene so that the authorities can be assured that the group has met all of the legal requirements necessary to operate in the state of South Carolina... Absurdity at it's finest...
.45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001Strange. This is the first state that left the union leading up to the civil war. Are they trying to re-enact that war using terrorists to do their bidding? Now that they have a president that they don't like, could it happen again? Let's see. Both Obama and Lincoln were from Illinois, northerners. Lincoln wanted to free the slaves, Obama would have been a slave. I guess, South Carolina needs someone to cheer for. Boy, do those southerners have their heads screwed on wrong. Did you know that in Georgia, it is illegal to perform sodomy? Will the state go into your bedroom to make sure you're doing it legally? Strange laws.
