Farewell VS2005
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Totally ;) The tools seem to get chunkier as we move forward. But one line of LINQ = 10000+ lines of Assemby. My old Merlin compiler for the Commodore64 was *way* more responsive than VS, but the overall productivity you get is worth it. Ecconomies of scale!
jsaindon wrote:
Ecconomies of scale!
No wonder the world is suffering from massive debt! As a purely intellectual argument, I'm not convinced that my productivity has improved. Complexity has increased, the cost of a "solution" has increased, and from what I've experienced, the amount of time to produce the solution has increased as well. So overall, I think productivity is decreasing. :) And then, to throw in the philosophical question that nobody seems to ask, except for aging pundits (which perhaps I am one), is all this really necessary? Does it actually improve the quality of our lives? Marc
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The *real* question is, does anyone still have VS6 installed on their machine (or even have the media laying around) ;)
Yes. I am currently updating a COM component that is used by girly ASP.NET. Well, because if you want to write something that actually does something more than display HTML pages, you HAVE to use C. And I am pissed off at modern *programmers* using ASP calling themselves *programmers*. Surely these half-men could use some brain cells and stop calling themselves "programmers". Sorry about the rant.
this is this.
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aspdotnetdev wrote:
The main environment at my job is VB6
LOL! I read that as "The main entertainment ..."
Opacity, the new Transparency.
RichardM1 wrote:
The main entertainment
Far from it I'm afraid... whenever I work with VB6, I am not amused.
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RichardM1 wrote:
The main entertainment
Far from it I'm afraid... whenever I work with VB6, I am not amused.
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aspdotnetdev wrote:
whenever I work with VB6, I am not amused
FTFY.
Me, I'm dishonest. And a dishonest man you can always trust to be dishonest.
Honestly. It's the honest ones you want to watch out for...Actually, I love working with VS2005 and VS2008. Especially WPF... I can get quite amused playing with that.
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The *real* question is, does anyone still have VS6 installed on their machine (or even have the media laying around) ;)
jsaindon wrote:
media laying around
I still do have the installation CDs for it.
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Actually, I love working with VS2005 and VS2008. Especially WPF... I can get quite amused playing with that.
I'm OK with any tool that does not get in my way, chronologically: SimScript, Turbo Pascal/C, ObjectiveC/AppBuilder(?), SmalTalk/V, Optima++/Power++, Delphi (3-7, not later), VS.NET. I've used others, but these were the best when I used them. But what interests me most is the problem, the more clever the required solution, the more fun.
Opacity, the new Transparency.
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jsaindon wrote:
It's amazing to me how much they can improve from release to release.
The good thing is, our development tools age along with us. So the older we get, we don't really notice how much slower the tools get. About a year ago I had to install VC6 on a virtual machine to resurrect an old project. It was so fast, I couldn't keep up! :rolleyes: Marc
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jsaindon wrote:
does anyone still have VS6 installed on their machine (or even have the media laying around)
Yes, and Yes. It doesn't get open very often, and when it does it is just to view something I wrote in college.
Ennis Ray Lynch, Jr. wrote:
Unpaid overtime is slavery.
Trollslayer wrote:
Meetings - where minutes are taken and hours are lost.
To view something I wrote in college, I would have to find one of these[^].
Software Zen:
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To view something I wrote in college, I would have to find one of these[^].
Software Zen:
delete this;
Fold With Us![^]Gary R. Wheeler wrote:
To view something I wrote in college, I would have to find one of these[^].
Sometimes I think I would have had more fun then.
Ennis Ray Lynch, Jr. wrote:
Unpaid overtime is slavery.
Trollslayer wrote:
Meetings - where minutes are taken and hours are lost.
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Well, it's Friday, and I'm doing some routine clean up at my desk and on my machine. In doing so, I finally made the decision to let go and uninstall VS2005. We've been on VS2008 happily now for over a year, every one of our solutions converted with very minimal effort and NO runtime issues. Microsoft does do a pretty good job in the development arena. It's amazing to me how much they can improve from release to release. I didn't think it could get much better than VS2003 (thinking back to the VS6/COM days)! But VS2005 (ultimately due to .NET 2.0) was a noticable step forward. Looking at the new VS2010RC, I am again impressed. Anyway...farewell VS2005. Is anyone else still using VS2005?
Just a note from my switch to VS2008... If you have an existing project that uses WSE3 services, you won't be able to generate WSE3 proxy classes automatically using VS2008. But you can still generate the proxy classes if you're just making small changes or adding new methods and such. There is a tool in the WSE3 package that will do 90% of the work for you, and a little minor surgery on the generated source gets you the other 10%. Of course this is a manual process so it can get tedious. If your architecture still uses WSE3 and you're looking at adding lots of new services, you're better off using WCF for the new services; or better yet, biting the bullet and converting everything over to WCF. Other than that, my conversion to 2008 went quite well too... Eric
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The *real* question is, does anyone still have VS6 installed on their machine (or even have the media laying around) ;)
I use it daily. Fortunately, within the next few weeks, it will be retired. While I like all the little features of VS 2008 (and VS 2010), I'll miss the lightning fast build speeds (which are two to three times longer in VS 2010.) The irony is that it took us so long to transition, we'll probably never actually build a release with VS 2008, but with VS 2010! (We want to send only one runtime update to all our embedded systems.) Oh, and I still have personal copies of Visual C++ 1.52c, 5.0, 6.0 and VS 2003, 2005 and 2008.
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Gary R. Wheeler wrote:
To view something I wrote in college, I would have to find one of these[^].
Sometimes I think I would have had more fun then.
Ennis Ray Lynch, Jr. wrote:
Unpaid overtime is slavery.
Trollslayer wrote:
Meetings - where minutes are taken and hours are lost.
Shelby Robertson wrote:
Sometimes I think I would have had more fun then.
Two words: floor sort :-D. I took a data structures class that was on the IBM mainframe in FORTRAN. One of the guys in class was blind. I helped him with a floor sort once. Fortunately, his cards were numbered so we could put them back in order for him. He had punched them on a machine where the ribbon had dried out, so we couldn't read the cards. He could read the holes himself (sort of a linear Braille), although he said it was slow because the pattern was so large.
Software Zen:
delete this;
Fold With Us![^]
