Brain transplant
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A hypothetical question, about two hypothetical persons called Dave and Frank Frank dies in a tragic accident involving nothing more than a paperclip and a candle, and is ready to be used as a donor. Dave has a heart attack and need a new heart. If Dave has a heart transplant which is taken from the donor Frank, he is still Dave, although he has a new heart. Poor old Dave need a brain transplant now, please don't ask why, cos i don't know. If Dave has a brain transplant, is he still Dave? Or is it now Frank in Dave's body? I guess this question asks if we are just defined as just the brain. Of course everyone would look at Dave and think it him, but really it would be Frank. Or am i wrong?? I think this is quite interesting, but then again, 'I like blinking I do ' :eek: (British Joke) :-D --- Peter M
i vote "Frank in Dave's body" . person = brain on mobile life support. -c
"[it was..] one of those evenings when you feel that not only will there definitely be a revolution, but that the Association of Manufacturers will foot the bill." -- Umberto Eco, Foucault's Pendulum
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A hypothetical question, about two hypothetical persons called Dave and Frank Frank dies in a tragic accident involving nothing more than a paperclip and a candle, and is ready to be used as a donor. Dave has a heart attack and need a new heart. If Dave has a heart transplant which is taken from the donor Frank, he is still Dave, although he has a new heart. Poor old Dave need a brain transplant now, please don't ask why, cos i don't know. If Dave has a brain transplant, is he still Dave? Or is it now Frank in Dave's body? I guess this question asks if we are just defined as just the brain. Of course everyone would look at Dave and think it him, but really it would be Frank. Or am i wrong?? I think this is quite interesting, but then again, 'I like blinking I do ' :eek: (British Joke) :-D --- Peter M
Just for kicks, I'm going to say you've just created Frave. Part of what made Frank, Frank, was the body he was in. that was his point of reference, the electronics worked a certain way. Dave, well his primary defining feature (presumably his brain) is gone, so calling him Dave is out of the question, IMO. Frave, however, will have Frank's knowledge, but use it quite differently than Frank ever did, because of completely different I/O. BW Pay no attention to what the critics say; no statue has ever been erected to a critic. - Jean Sibelius
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A hypothetical question, about two hypothetical persons called Dave and Frank Frank dies in a tragic accident involving nothing more than a paperclip and a candle, and is ready to be used as a donor. Dave has a heart attack and need a new heart. If Dave has a heart transplant which is taken from the donor Frank, he is still Dave, although he has a new heart. Poor old Dave need a brain transplant now, please don't ask why, cos i don't know. If Dave has a brain transplant, is he still Dave? Or is it now Frank in Dave's body? I guess this question asks if we are just defined as just the brain. Of course everyone would look at Dave and think it him, but really it would be Frank. Or am i wrong?? I think this is quite interesting, but then again, 'I like blinking I do ' :eek: (British Joke) :-D --- Peter M
It would be an incredible experience. I guess as the brain is the part of us with consciousness - including consciousness of self - this means that Franks consciousness is now in Dave's body. Imagine the first time he looks in the mirror! :wtf:
We don't need a thinker! We need a do-er! Someone who will act first, without considering the consequences. - Homer J Simpson
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i vote "Frank in Dave's body" . person = brain on mobile life support. -c
"[it was..] one of those evenings when you feel that not only will there definitely be a revolution, but that the Association of Manufacturers will foot the bill." -- Umberto Eco, Foucault's Pendulum
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A hypothetical question, about two hypothetical persons called Dave and Frank Frank dies in a tragic accident involving nothing more than a paperclip and a candle, and is ready to be used as a donor. Dave has a heart attack and need a new heart. If Dave has a heart transplant which is taken from the donor Frank, he is still Dave, although he has a new heart. Poor old Dave need a brain transplant now, please don't ask why, cos i don't know. If Dave has a brain transplant, is he still Dave? Or is it now Frank in Dave's body? I guess this question asks if we are just defined as just the brain. Of course everyone would look at Dave and think it him, but really it would be Frank. Or am i wrong?? I think this is quite interesting, but then again, 'I like blinking I do ' :eek: (British Joke) :-D --- Peter M
there was a robert heilein story about some old guy who got his brain put in some babes body ... cant remember what its called (and i dont have a link for the link police) i think the frave option works for me and stop blinking like that ... unless u wear an anorak god help us all
"... and so i said to him ... if it don't dance (or code) and you can't eat it either f**k it or throw it away"
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It would be an incredible experience. I guess as the brain is the part of us with consciousness - including consciousness of self - this means that Franks consciousness is now in Dave's body. Imagine the first time he looks in the mirror! :wtf:
We don't need a thinker! We need a do-er! Someone who will act first, without considering the consequences. - Homer J Simpson
That kinda reminds me of the film Face Off. They didn't exchange brains, but their faces were swapped. --- Peter M
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there was a robert heilein story about some old guy who got his brain put in some babes body ... cant remember what its called (and i dont have a link for the link police) i think the frave option works for me and stop blinking like that ... unless u wear an anorak god help us all
"... and so i said to him ... if it don't dance (or code) and you can't eat it either f**k it or throw it away"
biz stuff about meI just :eek: can't stop :eek: blinking :eek: :rolleyes: --- Peter M
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I just :eek: can't stop :eek: blinking :eek: :rolleyes: --- Peter M
ok ... im keeping this in whispers so no-one else has to hear ... do u own and wear an anorak? do u find urself on train station platforms with a notepad and pencil writing down train numbers? do u always ruin other peoples jokes by questioning the inconsistent logic in most?
"... and so i said to him ... if it don't dance (or code) and you can't eat it either f**k it or throw it away"
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Just for kicks, I'm going to say you've just created Frave. Part of what made Frank, Frank, was the body he was in. that was his point of reference, the electronics worked a certain way. Dave, well his primary defining feature (presumably his brain) is gone, so calling him Dave is out of the question, IMO. Frave, however, will have Frank's knowledge, but use it quite differently than Frank ever did, because of completely different I/O. BW Pay no attention to what the critics say; no statue has ever been erected to a critic. - Jean Sibelius
Since we've now astablish they have a different I/O, lets just hope we have the drivers to support the new GUI, otherwise something ain't going to work right. :laugh: I mean Christ, this Frave i've created is going to be walking down the street with his arm's and head spinning around, and talking backwards because of me. :-O This is for you Frave. !!!!taerg ruoy kniht I --- Peter M
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there was a robert heilein story about some old guy who got his brain put in some babes body ... cant remember what its called (and i dont have a link for the link police) i think the frave option works for me and stop blinking like that ... unless u wear an anorak god help us all
"... and so i said to him ... if it don't dance (or code) and you can't eat it either f**k it or throw it away"
biz stuff about melauren wrote: for the link police http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0441359175/002-6619213-9615226[^] I either take up my link police role here at CP or complete my coursework due in tomorrow. So there's the link. :-D
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ok ... im keeping this in whispers so no-one else has to hear ... do u own and wear an anorak? do u find urself on train station platforms with a notepad and pencil writing down train numbers? do u always ruin other peoples jokes by questioning the inconsistent logic in most?
"... and so i said to him ... if it don't dance (or code) and you can't eat it either f**k it or throw it away"
biz stuff about meNope, I’ve never worn a anorak. I drive my car to work, and use trains very rarely. I've never written down a train number, never even knew they have one to be honest. I don't intend to ruin other people’s jokes, but in your case I’ve obviously made an exception ;-) Aren't you lucky!!!!!! Now run along and whisper to someone else. ;P --- Peter M
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lauren wrote: for the link police http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0441359175/002-6619213-9615226[^] I either take up my link police role here at CP or complete my coursework due in tomorrow. So there's the link. :-D
qwote undur construktshun!?!!
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Nope, I’ve never worn a anorak. I drive my car to work, and use trains very rarely. I've never written down a train number, never even knew they have one to be honest. I don't intend to ruin other people’s jokes, but in your case I’ve obviously made an exception ;-) Aren't you lucky!!!!!! Now run along and whisper to someone else. ;P --- Peter M
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i vote "Frank in Dave's body" . person = brain on mobile life support. -c
"[it was..] one of those evenings when you feel that not only will there definitely be a revolution, but that the Association of Manufacturers will foot the bill." -- Umberto Eco, Foucault's Pendulum
Yep - me too. Wow, you do realise this is the first time we've agreed in weeks don't you Chris? :-D
David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk
An orgy in Tiverton... ({) `/\^^/\:p (Z) :$/\^^/\` (})
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Just messing really Sweety. You can whisper all you like to me. :-D --- Peter M
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That kinda reminds me of the film Face Off. They didn't exchange brains, but their faces were swapped. --- Peter M
It reminds me more of Virtual Sexuality, that was shown on Channel Four (yes Paul you did hear me correctly ;)) last night. Look it up in you local video store - it was a good, pleasantly unpredictable and very very funny film.
David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk
An orgy in Tiverton... ({) `/\^^/\:p (Z) :$/\^^/\` (})
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A hypothetical question, about two hypothetical persons called Dave and Frank Frank dies in a tragic accident involving nothing more than a paperclip and a candle, and is ready to be used as a donor. Dave has a heart attack and need a new heart. If Dave has a heart transplant which is taken from the donor Frank, he is still Dave, although he has a new heart. Poor old Dave need a brain transplant now, please don't ask why, cos i don't know. If Dave has a brain transplant, is he still Dave? Or is it now Frank in Dave's body? I guess this question asks if we are just defined as just the brain. Of course everyone would look at Dave and think it him, but really it would be Frank. Or am i wrong?? I think this is quite interesting, but then again, 'I like blinking I do ' :eek: (British Joke) :-D --- Peter M
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Yep - me too. Wow, you do realise this is the first time we've agreed in weeks don't you Chris? :-D
David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk
An orgy in Tiverton... ({) `/\^^/\:p (Z) :$/\^^/\` (})
David Wulff wrote: Wow, you do realise this is the first time we've agreed in weeks don't you Chris? why are people surprised when this happens? :) -c
"[it was..] one of those evenings when you feel that not only will there definitely be a revolution, but that the Association of Manufacturers will foot the bill." -- Umberto Eco, Foucault's Pendulum
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It reminds me more of Virtual Sexuality, that was shown on Channel Four (yes Paul you did hear me correctly ;)) last night. Look it up in you local video store - it was a good, pleasantly unpredictable and very very funny film.
David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk
An orgy in Tiverton... ({) `/\^^/\:p (Z) :$/\^^/\` (})
David Wulff wrote: It reminds me more of Virtual Sexuality Now Dave, haven't we discussed about you being up after the watershed ;-) --- Peter M
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Yep - me too. Wow, you do realise this is the first time we've agreed in weeks don't you Chris? :-D
David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk
An orgy in Tiverton... ({) `/\^^/\:p (Z) :$/\^^/\` (})
David Wulff wrote: Wow, you do realise this is the first time we've agreed in weeks don't you Chris? Good, now kiss and make up :laugh: --- Peter M