Toyota Acceleration Issues
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I can't understand the stories of people who crashed after going 100+ mph in Toyota cars due to unintended acceleration. Why don't people just turn off the engine?
I understand the throttle got stucj under the edge of the carpet/mat. So you give it a bit coming out of a junction say, ease off, and the thing just keeps going. You have a few milli seconds to realise somehting is worng and work out an alternative strategy to cope with it. Said strategy is NOT normal car control, thus NOT instinctive and thus SLOW to decide and implement. At which stage you are burried into the car infront/shop window etc. Someone used to driving dodgy cars where bits fall off and things go wrong might cope beter, but average joe is screwed.
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Thrice. What's the point of using manual these days? It's kind of like MFC vs .net.
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Sean Cundiff wrote:
What's the point of using manual these days?
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Sean Cundiff wrote:
It's kind of like MFC vs .net.
Like I said. :)
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Sean Cundiff wrote:
What's the point of using manual these days?
There is NOTHING like the thrill of being in control of your own destiny where a performance car is concerned. Knowing precisely when to brake/downshift/steer/upshift is quite - well - it gives me a giant and rather dangerous woody.
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"The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
There is NOTHING like the thrill of being in control of your own destiny where a performance car is concerned.
I'll agree with you here. However, most of the time it simply isn't convenient. Kind of like using C++ when you need the performance.
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
it gives me a giant and rather dangerous woody.
Brings a new meaning to "Stick Shift" and "Manual Transmission". :laugh:
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What you talking about? Why have a manual, because you like having to change gears and press clutch pedals the whole time? It's a mindless task which is taken care of for you. Unless you're a 17 year old boy racer that is.
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Reliability and durability? I know it's extreme situations but that's why lorries (at least used to) not have synchromesh because it increases the life of the gearbox. Also, although again a niche market, I actually use the 4x4 capabilities of my 4x4 and would rather have control over the gears. While I'm not denying the new Land Rovers (about the only truly capable modern off-roaders) are fantastic even Land Rover themselves admit that a basic vehicle with a competant driver is more capable than their new systems. Also if the BMW I was given a lift in is the average of modern autos then it's bloody awful! Put your foot down and nothing happened for a few seconds, the 2.7 tonne Disco we drove the weekend before was more responsive and that had the same sized engine in a car that was twice the weight.
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Sounds like a bad design/safety issue to me.
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As long as the road is straight, you could briefly switch the key off (not so far that the steering lock engages ofc) until you see the rev needle dropping then switch it back on with the car in neutral. Even without that I'd rather have slightly heavy steering than a fully revving engine It often seems that many people react to a bad situation with the rabbit in the headlight approach. You've got a problem and you can opt to spend the rest of your life ignoring it or you can do something about it.
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Sean Cundiff wrote:
Kind of like all Brits have bad teeth,
They don't[^]?
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Richard Andrew x64 wrote:
Why don't people just turn off the engine?
Try it yourself with your car. I guarantee you the loss of power-stearing (and the associated heaviness of the stearing due to having to turn the wheels and power stearing system) is just as scary as unintended acceleration. A better question would be; why don't they just limit their speed using the gearbox. And the answer; Americans don't know how to drive manual transmission cars.
J4amieC wrote:
I guarantee you the loss of power-stearing (and the associated heaviness of the stearing due to having to turn the wheels and power stearing system) is just as scary as unintended acceleration.
Really? How heavy are these things that it takes any real effort to stear them unaided at > 20mph? :~
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I am English, and over here only old ladies and bad drivers use automatics...
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Thrice. What's the point of using manual these days? It's kind of like MFC vs .net.
-Sean ---- Fire Nuts
Have you seen an ads for a high-performance sports cars? What do they show when they want to demonstrate how much fun it is? They show the driver slamming the stick into gear and taking off (also, it probably works at a subliminal level). That's why people drive manuals, they are more fun. It's a bit like .net vs paying somebody else to do it.
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Let me guess, you are not a driver, right?
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Sean Cundiff wrote:
What's the point of using manual these days?
There is NOTHING like the thrill of being in control of your own destiny where a performance car is concerned. Knowing precisely when to brake/downshift/steer/upshift is quite - well - it gives me a giant and rather dangerous woody.
.45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
Knowing precisely when to brake/downshift/steer/upshift is quite - well - it gives me a giant and rather dangerous woody.
Well I wouldn't go that far but I must say that I drive a manual transmission vehicle and it is much easier to control in the snow or when you are overtaking a car on the highway. Automatic transmissions never seem to shift when you want them too!
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Think about it slightly differently ... how do you turn a car off, in a modern car? What happens to the steering wheel when you do so? You would have to turn it off and then remember to advance the key to run. Otherwise the wheel would lock!
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Ennis Ray Lynch, Jr. wrote:
You would have to turn it off and then remember to advance the key to run. Otherwise the wheel would lock!
Absolutely NOT. One click backwards turns off the ignition to the engine, but is still in "Accessory" mode. And in Accessory mode, the wheel is unlocked.
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Because, unlike turning a key, which is almost like walking for most people, the new keyless controls all operate differently, depending upon who made the car. For most Toyotas, one must press the start button for more than three seconds to turn off the engine. Try remembering that while you're trying to control a car going 100 MPH! Oh, and once you turn the engine off, the brake assist no longer works! Ah, technology!
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The vaccum assist for any brake system lasts for a couple of pumps after the engine has stopped providing it. If you stand on the brake, that amounts to one long pump, so you're safe.
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Richard Andrew x64 wrote:
Why don't people just turn off the engine?
because they are, understandably, panicking. and a better solution might be to throw the car into neutral. the engines have regulators which will prevent them from over-revving.
Chris Losinger wrote:
because they are, understandably, panicking.
They are also, understandably stupid. One person had the wherewithall to get on his cell phone and call 911 while careening 100 mph down the highway. I would say that person was easily capable of turning the ignition switch backward one click.
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Ennis Ray Lynch, Jr. wrote:
You would have to turn it off and then remember to advance the key to run. Otherwise the wheel would lock!
Absolutely NOT. One click backwards turns off the ignition to the engine, but is still in "Accessory" mode. And in Accessory mode, the wheel is unlocked.
Must be different in different cars. My current car, Pontiac GTO/Holden Monaro if I click it off the Wheel will lock. The same with my previous four Fords (don't remember about the Buick)
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Chris Losinger wrote:
because they are, understandably, panicking.
They are also, understandably stupid. One person had the wherewithall to get on his cell phone and call 911 while careening 100 mph down the highway. I would say that person was easily capable of turning the ignition switch backward one click.
Richard Andrew x64 wrote:
I would say that person was easily capable of turning the ignition switch backward one click.
IIRC, the car in that case had a push-button ignition. and with those you have to press and hold the button for a few seconds. perhaps they did try, but didn't hold it long enough - since it wasn't their car they might not have known how long they needed to hold it. they probably didn't have a lot of time to read the owner's manual. plus, you know, he was busy trying to control a strange car going way too fast while everybody in the car was probably screaming. but, of course, i wasn't there, so i'll withhold judgment about how "stupid" the guy was.
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Plus its a lot easier to do so, no pesky clutch to deal with. In my car it takes quite a feat of strength to get the car out of gear without a clutch (You know in-case the clutch and the accelerator fail at the same time) wheras in an automatic an accidental tap is enough to bring neutral.
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Ennis Ray Lynch, Jr. wrote:
In my car it takes quite a feat of strength to get the car out of gear without a clutch
Really? Having driven a car without a clutch (it had failed…), getting it out of gear is just a little push of the gear lever. Now, getting it into gear…that's another matter!
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Ennis Ray Lynch, Jr. wrote:
In my car it takes quite a feat of strength to get the car out of gear without a clutch
Really? Having driven a car without a clutch (it had failed…), getting it out of gear is just a little push of the gear lever. Now, getting it into gear…that's another matter!
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Lots of Horsepower and Lots of Torque. Sometimes it is easy but usually it takes some effort. I really haven't done a study on it as my clutch works fine.
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Think about it slightly differently ... how do you turn a car off, in a modern car? What happens to the steering wheel when you do so? You would have to turn it off and then remember to advance the key to run. Otherwise the wheel would lock!
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