Toyota Acceleration Issues
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Chris Losinger wrote:
because they are, understandably, panicking.
They are also, understandably stupid. One person had the wherewithall to get on his cell phone and call 911 while careening 100 mph down the highway. I would say that person was easily capable of turning the ignition switch backward one click.
Richard Andrew x64 wrote:
I would say that person was easily capable of turning the ignition switch backward one click.
IIRC, the car in that case had a push-button ignition. and with those you have to press and hold the button for a few seconds. perhaps they did try, but didn't hold it long enough - since it wasn't their car they might not have known how long they needed to hold it. they probably didn't have a lot of time to read the owner's manual. plus, you know, he was busy trying to control a strange car going way too fast while everybody in the car was probably screaming. but, of course, i wasn't there, so i'll withhold judgment about how "stupid" the guy was.
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Plus its a lot easier to do so, no pesky clutch to deal with. In my car it takes quite a feat of strength to get the car out of gear without a clutch (You know in-case the clutch and the accelerator fail at the same time) wheras in an automatic an accidental tap is enough to bring neutral.
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Ennis Ray Lynch, Jr. wrote:
In my car it takes quite a feat of strength to get the car out of gear without a clutch
Really? Having driven a car without a clutch (it had failed…), getting it out of gear is just a little push of the gear lever. Now, getting it into gear…that's another matter!
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Ennis Ray Lynch, Jr. wrote:
In my car it takes quite a feat of strength to get the car out of gear without a clutch
Really? Having driven a car without a clutch (it had failed…), getting it out of gear is just a little push of the gear lever. Now, getting it into gear…that's another matter!
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Lots of Horsepower and Lots of Torque. Sometimes it is easy but usually it takes some effort. I really haven't done a study on it as my clutch works fine.
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Think about it slightly differently ... how do you turn a car off, in a modern car? What happens to the steering wheel when you do so? You would have to turn it off and then remember to advance the key to run. Otherwise the wheel would lock!
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And only really bad drivers don't know that automatics have a setting for neutral. (hint: it's usually marked with a big N, it's between P and D).
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If you have a car with a manual gearbox! You really can't do that in an automatic and it is probably asking too much of most drivers to do both whilst heartily panicking :-)
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This is an emergency safety issue. Screw the automatic transmission, throw the f'ing thing into park or neutral, and STOP THE DAMNED CAR. Chances are pretty good that you won't even damage the thing. With a lot of automatics, there's a lockout that prevents you from turning off the ignition with the car in drive, so that's not a viable solution. I was driving my mother's car once, and she liked thick floor mats. The mat rode up onto the accelerator and jammed it to the floor. The brakes were less than effective, so I threw it into neutral, got the car stopped, and shut the ignition off. I then took the damned mat and threw it in the trunk.
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It is relatively difficult to find a standard transmission for sale in the US anymore.
Indeed. I just bought a used car, and my criteria were (1) front-wheel drive, (2) manual transmission, (3) under $10,000. It took a couple weeks of searching web sites before I finally found one (2002 Honda Civic), and most of the listings were kid cars or other junk. I wanted the manual transmission because I simply don't feel safe driving an automatic in snow. The stupid things constantly shift at the wrong times causing you to lose traction and steering at the worst possible moment.
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I can't understand the stories of people who crashed after going 100+ mph in Toyota cars due to unintended acceleration. Why don't people just turn off the engine?
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Richard Andrew x64 wrote:
Why don't people just turn off the engine?
Most modern cars have power steering. If the engine were to be switched off you would then be in the position of not only going quite fast but also of it being potentially difficult to steer out of danger (although the steering should lighten at higher speeds). Best to stand on the brakes to attempt to slow the car to a stop.
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Why not just slip the tranny into neutral? Then you can safely apply the brakes and still have pwr steering. Many years back I had a '78 Ford Crown Vick and the accelerator stuck when I floored it to pass on a two-lane road. I slipped it into neutral, applied the brakes, and moments later was safely on the shoulder, head under the hood, cursing Henry Ford for all he was worth. :-) Seriously, I don't believe people are as smart as they used to be where driving is concerned. Too many distractions (cell phones, etc), and a sort of helpless, "OMG what do I do" attitude when faced with a problem. Whatever happened to the good old "just deal with it" attitude of years past?
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to 100mph? How big are these parking lots?
Jeremy Hutchinson wrote:
How big are these parking lots?
Never mind that, what kind of engines are these Toyotas packing to go that fast in such a short distance? I'll have one to go please! I am stunned beyond all sensible reality grippage capacity. Driving is not a leisurely activity although the general practice has demoted it to something like that. First lesson on Driving 101 School -> be always prepared for the unexpected: a pot hole, a kid's ball running onto the street, your engine shutting down, a blown tire, you name it. Not condoning a problem like sudden acceleration, it needs to be fixed. But, to put claims like the ones flying from Toyota drivers caught with their pants down while "driving" :wtf: , perhaps they should get reprimanded by traffic enforcement and be sent to driving school while their law suit to Toyota is in the works. -- Rogelio
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Reliability and durability? I know it's extreme situations but that's why lorries (at least used to) not have synchromesh because it increases the life of the gearbox. Also, although again a niche market, I actually use the 4x4 capabilities of my 4x4 and would rather have control over the gears. While I'm not denying the new Land Rovers (about the only truly capable modern off-roaders) are fantastic even Land Rover themselves admit that a basic vehicle with a competant driver is more capable than their new systems. Also if the BMW I was given a lift in is the average of modern autos then it's bloody awful! Put your foot down and nothing happened for a few seconds, the 2.7 tonne Disco we drove the weekend before was more responsive and that had the same sized engine in a car that was twice the weight.
Ed.Poore wrote:
Put your foot down and nothing happened for a few seconds
Reminds me of Ford automatics. :laugh: That's why I always preferred Mitsubishi's adaptive auto: it does response immediately, and you always feel like it does what you want.
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Richard Andrew x64 wrote:
Why don't people just turn off the engine?
Try it yourself with your car. I guarantee you the loss of power-stearing (and the associated heaviness of the stearing due to having to turn the wheels and power stearing system) is just as scary as unintended acceleration. A better question would be; why don't they just limit their speed using the gearbox. And the answer; Americans don't know how to drive manual transmission cars.
"...Americans don't know how to drive manual transmission cars..." Gee, really? Got any research to back up that assertion? Tell ya what - let's you and me take a driving test together. Let's see how well you do with a Freightliner Classic XL, 280-inch wheelbase, with an Eaton 10-speed transmission and a 500-hp Detroit diesel with 1650 ft/lbs of torque. C'mon and drive MY manual transmission. :-)
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I can't understand the stories of people who crashed after going 100+ mph in Toyota cars due to unintended acceleration. Why don't people just turn off the engine?
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"Too busy talking on the phone and drinking a $5 cup of coffee." Exactly. If you have to put your cell call on hold, pause the game on your laptop, and set your coffee aside BEFORE dealing with an emergency, then you're pretty much screwed.
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Jeremy Hutchinson wrote:
How big are these parking lots?
Never mind that, what kind of engines are these Toyotas packing to go that fast in such a short distance? I'll have one to go please! I am stunned beyond all sensible reality grippage capacity. Driving is not a leisurely activity although the general practice has demoted it to something like that. First lesson on Driving 101 School -> be always prepared for the unexpected: a pot hole, a kid's ball running onto the street, your engine shutting down, a blown tire, you name it. Not condoning a problem like sudden acceleration, it needs to be fixed. But, to put claims like the ones flying from Toyota drivers caught with their pants down while "driving" :wtf: , perhaps they should get reprimanded by traffic enforcement and be sent to driving school while their law suit to Toyota is in the works. -- Rogelio
Its not even about the distants that you are driving the pedal gets stuck so you can't stop accelerating. just think if anymore faults get picked up.. apart from the preus (their hybrid cars) that you can't stop!! you might be able to bag a bargin soon
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We should not give driver license to those who do not know the purpose of the position N of the automatic transmission neither those that have not the reflex to use it when needed even in emergency situation.
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The vaccum assist for any brake system lasts for a couple of pumps after the engine has stopped providing it. If you stand on the brake, that amounts to one long pump, so you're safe.
Even if the regular brakes stop working, there is always the parking brake lever - just don't jam it on. In my driving course, (a long time ago), my instructor actually made me try this out...
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Chris Losinger wrote:
because they are, understandably, panicking.
They are also, understandably stupid. One person had the wherewithall to get on his cell phone and call 911 while careening 100 mph down the highway. I would say that person was easily capable of turning the ignition switch backward one click.
Not all ignitition switches are the same. I can't remember the make/model, but one car I drove had the "Acc" setting on the far side of "Off".
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I understand the throttle got stucj under the edge of the carpet/mat. So you give it a bit coming out of a junction say, ease off, and the thing just keeps going. You have a few milli seconds to realise somehting is worng and work out an alternative strategy to cope with it. Said strategy is NOT normal car control, thus NOT instinctive and thus SLOW to decide and implement. At which stage you are burried into the car infront/shop window etc. Someone used to driving dodgy cars where bits fall off and things go wrong might cope beter, but average joe is screwed.
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I think it was last week I heard a little news bite, where it was reported that this was happening on the Toyota Prius, and not a floormat problem. What I found really interesting was that this was reported by Steve Wozniak (yup, that Steve), and he claimed he could even reproduce the conditions which caused it. Something about a software error... What I hope is if this legit, that this info never gets out to the public, or you are going to have a bunch of out-of-control 16 year olds trying to recreate it....
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Chris Losinger wrote:
because they are, understandably, panicking.
They are also, understandably stupid. One person had the wherewithall to get on his cell phone and call 911 while careening 100 mph down the highway. I would say that person was easily capable of turning the ignition switch backward one click.
