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Really? Maybe it's a British thing. Most women here turn their noses up at anything engineering related. Unfortunately engineers in this country are generally automatically typecast as nerds, and I think this has a lot to do with the lack of attraction for women.
TheIdleProgrammer wrote:
Really? Maybe it's a British thing.
Maybe also an Italian thing, I suppose.
TheIdleProgrammer wrote:
Most women here turn their noses up at anything engineering related.
Most coders (i.e. IT employed people) actually have no engineering skills.
TheIdleProgrammer wrote:
Unfortunately engineers in this country are generally automatically typecast as nerds, and I think this has a lot to do with the lack of attraction for women.
I don't think a woman worries about. I think she simply follows her interests. :)
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Really? Maybe it's a British thing. Most women here turn their noses up at anything engineering related. Unfortunately engineers in this country are generally automatically typecast as nerds, and I think this has a lot to do with the lack of attraction for women.
TheIdleProgrammer wrote:
Unfortunately engineers in this country are generally automatically typecast as nerds
Whilst working as a techie I went to my [then] employer's national call centre. The women in charge (who resembled in every possible way) Abagail from "Abagail's Party". Here are a list of all the things she said about the IT crow: 1. Unable to communicate 2. Difficuly to deal with 3. Socially inept 4. Loners 5. Too clever by half. She's still answering phones, whereas I've moved on perhaps being too clever by half has some benefits!
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TheIdleProgrammer wrote:
Unfortunately engineers in this country are generally automatically typecast as nerds,
We don't value engineers at all in the UK. In fact, we don't like anyone who's intelligent - which is reflected in pretty much any TV program or newspaper you care to read. I wonder why people are leaving in their droves?! Luckily I work abroad at the moment and so don't have to put up with all that boll*x too much. I'm softening up the missus to leave for somewhere hotter at the end of this year. Maybe Australia for a year...will have to see what she says. :)
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1.21 Gigawatts wrote:
Luckily I work abroad at the moment
Where is that? I have been anb escapee from the UK ofr a while now. It looks better from a distance and I actually quite enjoy the odd contract back there.
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TheIdleProgrammer wrote:
Really? Maybe it's a British thing.
Maybe also an Italian thing, I suppose.
TheIdleProgrammer wrote:
Most women here turn their noses up at anything engineering related.
Most coders (i.e. IT employed people) actually have no engineering skills.
TheIdleProgrammer wrote:
Unfortunately engineers in this country are generally automatically typecast as nerds, and I think this has a lot to do with the lack of attraction for women.
I don't think a woman worries about. I think she simply follows her interests. :)
If the Lord God Almighty had consulted me before embarking upon the Creation, I would have recommended something simpler. -- Alfonso the Wise, 13th Century King of Castile.
This is going on my arrogant assumptions. You may have a superb reason why I'm completely wrong. -- Iain Clarke
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1.21 Gigawatts wrote:
Luckily I work abroad at the moment
Where is that? I have been anb escapee from the UK ofr a while now. It looks better from a distance and I actually quite enjoy the odd contract back there.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
Norway currently. But I fly to and from the UK, currently in the UK. Had some guys re-plastering our hallway wall, so I have lots of dusting to do. :((
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I've come across one, she's been here a loooooooooong time. Counting firmware guys, it's 8 males 1 female. I recall on my uni course, of the 120 or so that started in the first year, 2 were female.
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I remember that of my Uni course, of the 300 or so that started, ten female. Of the hundred or so that finished, ten female.
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In my department there are 10 men and 5 women. One of the 2 architects is a female. I don't know what you folks are talking about, they are everywhere.
I'm studying Computer Science, in the entire study there are about 3 female students - I think. One of them I haven't seen in over half a year so maybe there are only 2. Out of 100 or so students So maybe it's just that only women actually get jobs? That makes sense, what company would need an other man? It would make them look sexist -> less tax benefits
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Really? Maybe it's a British thing. Most women here turn their noses up at anything engineering related. Unfortunately engineers in this country are generally automatically typecast as nerds, and I think this has a lot to do with the lack of attraction for women.
TheIdleProgrammer wrote:
Really? Maybe it's a British thing.
Nope, about 30 people in my department and half of them are women.
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I noticed Code Project has a few female developers working for them... http://www.codeproject.com/info/about.aspx[^] I find this surprising because: 1) Engineering/Software as a career isn't exactly known for attracting women. 2) In my personal experience I've only ever come across one woman in software and I've been kicking around for a little while. I know there are quite a few ladies that participate here on Code Project but they're in the minority by far. Perhaps CPs management prefer to have ladies coding away for them? I'm pretty sure I would... ;P
I my ten years in the (UK Games) industry, I've known four female programmers (verses a good few hundred males), so yes, it's not overly common
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I remember that of my Uni course, of the 300 or so that started, ten female. Of the hundred or so that finished, ten female.
You should never use standby on an elephant. It always crashes when you lift the ears. - Mark Wallace C/C++ (I dont see a huge difference between them, and the 'benefits' of C++ are questionable, who needs inheritance when you have copy and paste) - fat_boy
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It's not just a British thing. It's changing slowly over here, in that there ARE some women in the field now. Still not NEARLY as many as the guys, though. Geekiness is starting to become "cool," but there's a lot of inertia to overcome. Kind of a pity, too... Would like to see more women in the field, and not for the obvious reason. Men and women tend to think in slightly different ways (Ok, "slightly" may be an understatement), so would be good to have a multi-gender team and see the projects from another angle.
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My wife's always been a geek. She's now just a well paid one. And yes, she does think differently than the guys on her team. But not as much as most women do. I think geek girls tend to think on terms closer to pure nerd than women tend to normally.
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I've come across one, she's been here a loooooooooong time. Counting firmware guys, it's 8 males 1 female. I recall on my uni course, of the 120 or so that started in the first year, 2 were female.
He who makes a beast out of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man.
phannon86 wrote:
I recall on my uni course, of the 120 or so that started in the first year, 2 were female.
Same figures here... maybe more like 150/10.
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I noticed Code Project has a few female developers working for them... http://www.codeproject.com/info/about.aspx[^] I find this surprising because: 1) Engineering/Software as a career isn't exactly known for attracting women. 2) In my personal experience I've only ever come across one woman in software and I've been kicking around for a little while. I know there are quite a few ladies that participate here on Code Project but they're in the minority by far. Perhaps CPs management prefer to have ladies coding away for them? I'm pretty sure I would... ;P
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I noticed Code Project has a few female developers working for them... http://www.codeproject.com/info/about.aspx[^] I find this surprising because: 1) Engineering/Software as a career isn't exactly known for attracting women. 2) In my personal experience I've only ever come across one woman in software and I've been kicking around for a little while. I know there are quite a few ladies that participate here on Code Project but they're in the minority by far. Perhaps CPs management prefer to have ladies coding away for them? I'm pretty sure I would... ;P
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I noticed Code Project has a few female developers working for them... http://www.codeproject.com/info/about.aspx[^] I find this surprising because: 1) Engineering/Software as a career isn't exactly known for attracting women. 2) In my personal experience I've only ever come across one woman in software and I've been kicking around for a little while. I know there are quite a few ladies that participate here on Code Project but they're in the minority by far. Perhaps CPs management prefer to have ladies coding away for them? I'm pretty sure I would... ;P
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Mmmhh... Are these real pictures ? Where is that "joining code project team" button again ? :rolleyes:
:cool: You sorta hope you'd get a seat next to Olga hey? :cool:
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:cool: You sorta hope you'd get a seat next to Olga hey? :cool:
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Norway currently. But I fly to and from the UK, currently in the UK. Had some guys re-plastering our hallway wall, so I have lots of dusting to do. :((
"If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough" ~ Albert Einstein "If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." ~ Paul Neal "Red" Adair Now reading: 'The Third Reich', by Michael Burleigh
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1.21 Gigawatts wrote:
Norway currently.
Expensive drinking isnt it? Mind you, I expect you got a chance to get some skiing in!
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
fat_boy wrote:
Expensive drinking isnt it? Mind you, I expect you got a chance to get some skiing in!
Drink - yeah - about £7 for a bottle of beer. As for skiing I wouldn't know - I don't ski, I'm all arms and legs!
"If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough" ~ Albert Einstein "If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." ~ Paul Neal "Red" Adair Now reading: 'The Third Reich', by Michael Burleigh
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TheIdleProgrammer wrote:
Unfortunately engineers in this country are generally automatically typecast as nerds
Whilst working as a techie I went to my [then] employer's national call centre. The women in charge (who resembled in every possible way) Abagail from "Abagail's Party". Here are a list of all the things she said about the IT crow: 1. Unable to communicate 2. Difficuly to deal with 3. Socially inept 4. Loners 5. Too clever by half. She's still answering phones, whereas I've moved on perhaps being too clever by half has some benefits!
Dalek Dave: There are many words that some find offensive, Homosexuality, Alcoholism, Religion, Visual Basic, Manchester United, Butter.
I must respond to these in order.
keefb wrote:
1. Unable to communicate
It's been my experience that the lack of communication is on their part. They just don't understand what we're talking about. Ever been asked what you do for a living -- you start to describe it and their eyes glaze over in seconds. I now simply make sh*t up when asked what I do. It's easier that way. It also has the added benefit of stopping the stupid a** questions on how to wire their house. I'm an Electrical and Computer Engineer, not a freakin' electrician.
keefb wrote:
2. Difficuly to deal with
See above.
keefb wrote:
3. Socially inept
See above.
keefb wrote:
4. Loners
See above. Except when other EE's are around. Then all hell breaks loose.
keefb wrote:
5. Too clever by half.
I get paid for being too clever by half. Go hang out with your footballer reliving his high school glory days over at McDonald's.
-Sean ---- Fire Nuts
