I'm impressed...
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I remember that of my Uni course, of the 300 or so that started, ten female. Of the hundred or so that finished, ten female.
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It's not just a British thing. It's changing slowly over here, in that there ARE some women in the field now. Still not NEARLY as many as the guys, though. Geekiness is starting to become "cool," but there's a lot of inertia to overcome. Kind of a pity, too... Would like to see more women in the field, and not for the obvious reason. Men and women tend to think in slightly different ways (Ok, "slightly" may be an understatement), so would be good to have a multi-gender team and see the projects from another angle.
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My wife's always been a geek. She's now just a well paid one. And yes, she does think differently than the guys on her team. But not as much as most women do. I think geek girls tend to think on terms closer to pure nerd than women tend to normally.
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I've come across one, she's been here a loooooooooong time. Counting firmware guys, it's 8 males 1 female. I recall on my uni course, of the 120 or so that started in the first year, 2 were female.
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phannon86 wrote:
I recall on my uni course, of the 120 or so that started in the first year, 2 were female.
Same figures here... maybe more like 150/10.
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I noticed Code Project has a few female developers working for them... http://www.codeproject.com/info/about.aspx[^] I find this surprising because: 1) Engineering/Software as a career isn't exactly known for attracting women. 2) In my personal experience I've only ever come across one woman in software and I've been kicking around for a little while. I know there are quite a few ladies that participate here on Code Project but they're in the minority by far. Perhaps CPs management prefer to have ladies coding away for them? I'm pretty sure I would... ;P
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I noticed Code Project has a few female developers working for them... http://www.codeproject.com/info/about.aspx[^] I find this surprising because: 1) Engineering/Software as a career isn't exactly known for attracting women. 2) In my personal experience I've only ever come across one woman in software and I've been kicking around for a little while. I know there are quite a few ladies that participate here on Code Project but they're in the minority by far. Perhaps CPs management prefer to have ladies coding away for them? I'm pretty sure I would... ;P
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I noticed Code Project has a few female developers working for them... http://www.codeproject.com/info/about.aspx[^] I find this surprising because: 1) Engineering/Software as a career isn't exactly known for attracting women. 2) In my personal experience I've only ever come across one woman in software and I've been kicking around for a little while. I know there are quite a few ladies that participate here on Code Project but they're in the minority by far. Perhaps CPs management prefer to have ladies coding away for them? I'm pretty sure I would... ;P
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Mmmhh... Are these real pictures ? Where is that "joining code project team" button again ? :rolleyes:
:cool: You sorta hope you'd get a seat next to Olga hey? :cool:
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:cool: You sorta hope you'd get a seat next to Olga hey? :cool:
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Norway currently. But I fly to and from the UK, currently in the UK. Had some guys re-plastering our hallway wall, so I have lots of dusting to do. :((
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1.21 Gigawatts wrote:
Norway currently.
Expensive drinking isnt it? Mind you, I expect you got a chance to get some skiing in!
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
fat_boy wrote:
Expensive drinking isnt it? Mind you, I expect you got a chance to get some skiing in!
Drink - yeah - about £7 for a bottle of beer. As for skiing I wouldn't know - I don't ski, I'm all arms and legs!
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TheIdleProgrammer wrote:
Unfortunately engineers in this country are generally automatically typecast as nerds
Whilst working as a techie I went to my [then] employer's national call centre. The women in charge (who resembled in every possible way) Abagail from "Abagail's Party". Here are a list of all the things she said about the IT crow: 1. Unable to communicate 2. Difficuly to deal with 3. Socially inept 4. Loners 5. Too clever by half. She's still answering phones, whereas I've moved on perhaps being too clever by half has some benefits!
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I must respond to these in order.
keefb wrote:
1. Unable to communicate
It's been my experience that the lack of communication is on their part. They just don't understand what we're talking about. Ever been asked what you do for a living -- you start to describe it and their eyes glaze over in seconds. I now simply make sh*t up when asked what I do. It's easier that way. It also has the added benefit of stopping the stupid a** questions on how to wire their house. I'm an Electrical and Computer Engineer, not a freakin' electrician.
keefb wrote:
2. Difficuly to deal with
See above.
keefb wrote:
3. Socially inept
See above.
keefb wrote:
4. Loners
See above. Except when other EE's are around. Then all hell breaks loose.
keefb wrote:
5. Too clever by half.
I get paid for being too clever by half. Go hang out with your footballer reliving his high school glory days over at McDonald's.
-Sean ---- Fire Nuts
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TheIdleProgrammer wrote:
I find this surprising because:
Me too. Women are notoriously illogical... OK OK, I am only joking! I worled with a few at Aerosystems in Yevoil. They were quite tasty too. as well as being pretty good.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
fat_boy wrote:
Me too. Women are notoriously illogical...
Chris Rock on arguing with a woman: "Men, don't argue--you cannot win. You cannot beat a woman in an argument--it's impossible. You will not win. Because men, we are handicapped when it comes to arguing, because we have a need to make sense. Women aren't going to let a little thing like sense screw-up their argument."--Chris Rock
-Sean ---- Fire Nuts
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I must respond to these in order.
keefb wrote:
1. Unable to communicate
It's been my experience that the lack of communication is on their part. They just don't understand what we're talking about. Ever been asked what you do for a living -- you start to describe it and their eyes glaze over in seconds. I now simply make sh*t up when asked what I do. It's easier that way. It also has the added benefit of stopping the stupid a** questions on how to wire their house. I'm an Electrical and Computer Engineer, not a freakin' electrician.
keefb wrote:
2. Difficuly to deal with
See above.
keefb wrote:
3. Socially inept
See above.
keefb wrote:
4. Loners
See above. Except when other EE's are around. Then all hell breaks loose.
keefb wrote:
5. Too clever by half.
I get paid for being too clever by half. Go hang out with your footballer reliving his high school glory days over at McDonald's.
-Sean ---- Fire Nuts
Sean Cundiff wrote:
It's been my experience that the lack of communication is on their part. They just don't understand what we're talking about. Ever been asked what you do for a living -- you start to describe it and their eyes glaze over in seconds. I now simply make sh*t up when asked what I do. It's easier that way.
The problem with that is if you don't tell the same story every time. My standard reply is a semi-evasive non-answer. The only time I had an issue with it was when one my sisters friends started asking followup questions (the friend is an interior designer, but her dad's a DBA and she could recognize and at a minimum parrot the technobable) and my sister got made because I never gave her an answer that detailed. Not that there was any real detail in what I said then either. (NDAs)
3x12=36 2x12=24 1x12=12 0x12=18
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TheIdleProgrammer wrote:
Unfortunately engineers in this country are generally automatically typecast as nerds,
We don't value engineers at all in the UK. In fact, we don't like anyone who's intelligent - which is reflected in pretty much any TV program or newspaper you care to read. I wonder why people are leaving in their droves?! Luckily I work abroad at the moment and so don't have to put up with all that boll*x too much. I'm softening up the missus to leave for somewhere hotter at the end of this year. Maybe Australia for a year...will have to see what she says. :)
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1.21 Gigawatts wrote:
I'm softening up the missus to leave for somewhere hotter at the end of this year.
I read that as:
I'm softening up the missus to leave for someone hotter at the end of this year.
