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    realJSOP
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    I talked to one of the guys that used to work with me at the WPF job, and two of the other four programmers quit. It seems they're reducing benefits and such in a cost-cutting move, and have gotten no new customers since I was laid off back in October. It's too bad, really. The code they were working on was kinda cool, and the app was pretty impressive.

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    "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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    "The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001

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      I talked to one of the guys that used to work with me at the WPF job, and two of the other four programmers quit. It seems they're reducing benefits and such in a cost-cutting move, and have gotten no new customers since I was laid off back in October. It's too bad, really. The code they were working on was kinda cool, and the app was pretty impressive.

      .45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
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      "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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      "The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001

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      Ian Shlasko
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      Ok, I just have to say... Out of all of the words in that sentence, why accent "gotten"? :) Me, I would have accented "no new customers"

      Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
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        Ok, I just have to say... Out of all of the words in that sentence, why accent "gotten"? :) Me, I would have accented "no new customers"

        Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
        Author of Guardians of Xen (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novel)

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        Ian Shlasko wrote:

        why accent "gotten"?

        Chris hates the word. John loves it. 'Nuff said.

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          Ian Shlasko wrote:

          why accent "gotten"?

          Chris hates the word. John loves it. 'Nuff said.

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          Mike Mullikin wrote:

          Chris hates the word. John loves it. 'Nuff said.

          Actually, I love that Chris hates it. I have no feeling for the word one way or the other. :)

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          "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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          "The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001

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            Ok, I just have to say... Out of all of the words in that sentence, why accent "gotten"? :) Me, I would have accented "no new customers"

            Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
            Author of Guardians of Xen (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novel)

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            Joe Simes
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            Cause the Brits hate gotten! ;)

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              Cause the Brits hate gotten! ;)

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              Although the British stopped using the past participle gotten about three hundred years ago, the American colonists and their descendants--especially in New England--still tend to use it. Some English teachers have tried to ban its usage to make American English conform to British English, especially during the nineteenth and early twentieth century when there was a movement to purify English. Others are just not used to its use because it is not used in their region and hear it as an error. Ultimately, language is convention. If you are writing for a formal audience outside of New England, you might want to use the simple past form got instead. It is like the dictum to never end a sentence with a preposition because that is something some people just will not put--ummm--up with which some people just will not put! Yes. For example: "Since I last saw you, you have gotten big!" Gotten is correct, and very old. In England many people wrongly assume that gotten is a modern Americanism, but the truth is the English more-or-less stopped using it, and have forgotten (!) that they used to use it. Gotten here: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Is_gotten_correct_grammar[^] :-D

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                Although the British stopped using the past participle gotten about three hundred years ago, the American colonists and their descendants--especially in New England--still tend to use it. Some English teachers have tried to ban its usage to make American English conform to British English, especially during the nineteenth and early twentieth century when there was a movement to purify English. Others are just not used to its use because it is not used in their region and hear it as an error. Ultimately, language is convention. If you are writing for a formal audience outside of New England, you might want to use the simple past form got instead. It is like the dictum to never end a sentence with a preposition because that is something some people just will not put--ummm--up with which some people just will not put! Yes. For example: "Since I last saw you, you have gotten big!" Gotten is correct, and very old. In England many people wrongly assume that gotten is a modern Americanism, but the truth is the English more-or-less stopped using it, and have forgotten (!) that they used to use it. Gotten here: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Is_gotten_correct_grammar[^] :-D

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                And you forgot to add that American's use it (and do a lot of other things) to rub the Brits noses in that little dust-up in in 1812...

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                "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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                "The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001

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                  Cause the Brits hate gotten! ;)

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                  Keith Barrow
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                  I don't and I'm british! It's a relic from when English was inflected, the Americans kept it (as did the people in the area where I'm from). "Gotten" just flows in a sentence much better than "got".

                  Dalek Dave: There are many words that some find offensive, Homosexuality, Alcoholism, Religion, Visual Basic, Manchester United, Butter.

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                    I talked to one of the guys that used to work with me at the WPF job, and two of the other four programmers quit. It seems they're reducing benefits and such in a cost-cutting move, and have gotten no new customers since I was laid off back in October. It's too bad, really. The code they were working on was kinda cool, and the app was pretty impressive.

                    .45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
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                    "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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                    "The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001

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                    John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

                    work with me at the WPF

                    One of the problems with working on some new stuff is that you never know when the project gets scrapped (when the management decides its not feasible). If you are in VB maintenance with a few clients involved, in all likelihood, work continues. :sigh:

                    Me, I'm dishonest. And a dishonest man you can always trust to be dishonest.
                    Honestly. It's the honest ones you want to watch out for...

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                      I talked to one of the guys that used to work with me at the WPF job, and two of the other four programmers quit. It seems they're reducing benefits and such in a cost-cutting move, and have gotten no new customers since I was laid off back in October. It's too bad, really. The code they were working on was kinda cool, and the app was pretty impressive.

                      .45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
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                      "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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                      "The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001

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                      :confused: Was this the new job where it looked like you had gotten to be the man running the show for new development?

                      And above all things, never think that you're not good enough yourself. A man should never think that. My belief is that in life people will take you at your own reckoning. --Isaac Asimov Avoid the crowd. Do your own thinking independently. Be the chess player, not the chess piece. --Ralph Charell

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                        :confused: Was this the new job where it looked like you had gotten to be the man running the show for new development?

                        And above all things, never think that you're not good enough yourself. A man should never think that. My belief is that in life people will take you at your own reckoning. --Isaac Asimov Avoid the crowd. Do your own thinking independently. Be the chess player, not the chess piece. --Ralph Charell

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                        realJSOP
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                        No, this was the job just before that.

                        .45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
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                        "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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                        "The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001

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                          No, this was the job just before that.

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                          "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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                          "The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001

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                          Chris Austin
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                          So are out of work right now? You are in Houston right? Do you have any experience with WinCE or XP embedded? I know a guy in Houston who is running a small shop that seems to always need someone every now and again for that kind of work.

                          And above all things, never think that you're not good enough yourself. A man should never think that. My belief is that in life people will take you at your own reckoning. --Isaac Asimov Avoid the crowd. Do your own thinking independently. Be the chess player, not the chess piece. --Ralph Charell

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                            I talked to one of the guys that used to work with me at the WPF job, and two of the other four programmers quit. It seems they're reducing benefits and such in a cost-cutting move, and have gotten no new customers since I was laid off back in October. It's too bad, really. The code they were working on was kinda cool, and the app was pretty impressive.

                            .45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
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                            "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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                            "The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001

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                            Yeah, I hate working on something you actually like to do, but have issues finding the market for them. When you spend all those hours and it actually turns out decent, it is sad to see it sit and rot. I am amazed you have such a time finding stable work with your obvious talent in the field, I would think there would be plenty of contract work knocking on your door, using more cutting edge technologies (and C# not VB).

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                              So are out of work right now? You are in Houston right? Do you have any experience with WinCE or XP embedded? I know a guy in Houston who is running a small shop that seems to always need someone every now and again for that kind of work.

                              And above all things, never think that you're not good enough yourself. A man should never think that. My belief is that in life people will take you at your own reckoning. --Isaac Asimov Avoid the crowd. Do your own thinking independently. Be the chess player, not the chess piece. --Ralph Charell

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                              realJSOP
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                              Chris Austin wrote:

                              So are out of work right now?

                              Yes.

                              Chris Austin wrote:

                              You are in Houston right?

                              San Antonio

                              Chris Austin wrote:

                              Do you have any experience with WinCE or XP embedded?

                              Yes, but I don't care for CE development.

                              .45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
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                              "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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                              "The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001

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                                Yeah, I hate working on something you actually like to do, but have issues finding the market for them. When you spend all those hours and it actually turns out decent, it is sad to see it sit and rot. I am amazed you have such a time finding stable work with your obvious talent in the field, I would think there would be plenty of contract work knocking on your door, using more cutting edge technologies (and C# not VB).

                                Rocky <>< Recent Blog Post: CubeTube – Power work are from ambient light!

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                                realJSOP
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                                Rocky Moore wrote:

                                I am amazed you have such a time finding stable work with your obvious talent in the field

                                :-O

                                Rocky Moore wrote:

                                I would think there would be plenty of contract work knocking on your door, using more cutting edge technologies (and C# not VB).

                                There lies the rub - I want permanent full-time work.

                                .45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
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                                "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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                                "The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001

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                                  Chris Austin wrote:

                                  So are out of work right now?

                                  Yes.

                                  Chris Austin wrote:

                                  You are in Houston right?

                                  San Antonio

                                  Chris Austin wrote:

                                  Do you have any experience with WinCE or XP embedded?

                                  Yes, but I don't care for CE development.

                                  .45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
                                  -----
                                  "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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                                  "The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001

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                                  Andy Brummer
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                                  I know a few people that commute to south austin from SA and there appears to be more jobs up here. It might be something to consider if things get dire.

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                                    I know a few people that commute to south austin from SA and there appears to be more jobs up here. It might be something to consider if things get dire.

                                    I can imagine the sinking feeling one would have after ordering my book, only to find a laughably ridiculous theory with demented logic once the book arrives - Mark McCutcheon

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                                    realJSOP
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                                    Things aren't dire - yet.

                                    .45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
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                                    "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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                                    "The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001

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                                      I talked to one of the guys that used to work with me at the WPF job, and two of the other four programmers quit. It seems they're reducing benefits and such in a cost-cutting move, and have gotten no new customers since I was laid off back in October. It's too bad, really. The code they were working on was kinda cool, and the app was pretty impressive.

                                      .45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
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                                      "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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                                      "The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001

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                                      Stan Shannon
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                                      Looks like you and I are in the same boat. I've been unemployed since October also, although I have only recently started seriously looking for a new position, and I'm being picky. Unlike you, however, I am only interested in contract work. The last thing I want is a full time permanent position. My wife's salary pays all of our bills and we get all our benefits through her job, so I'm in a perfect position to just do contract work.

                                      Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

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                                        Chris Austin wrote:

                                        So are out of work right now?

                                        Yes.

                                        Chris Austin wrote:

                                        You are in Houston right?

                                        San Antonio

                                        Chris Austin wrote:

                                        Do you have any experience with WinCE or XP embedded?

                                        Yes, but I don't care for CE development.

                                        .45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
                                        -----
                                        "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
                                        -----
                                        "The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001

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                                        Chris Austin
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                                        John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

                                        San Antonio

                                        Crap; some reason I was thinking you are in Houston. The bright side is that SA sucks much much less than Houston.

                                        John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

                                        Yes, but I don't care for CE development.

                                        Cool.

                                        And above all things, never think that you're not good enough yourself. A man should never think that. My belief is that in life people will take you at your own reckoning. --Isaac Asimov Avoid the crowd. Do your own thinking independently. Be the chess player, not the chess piece. --Ralph Charell

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                                          Looks like you and I are in the same boat. I've been unemployed since October also, although I have only recently started seriously looking for a new position, and I'm being picky. Unlike you, however, I am only interested in contract work. The last thing I want is a full time permanent position. My wife's salary pays all of our bills and we get all our benefits through her job, so I'm in a perfect position to just do contract work.

                                          Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

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                                          Chris Austin
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                                          That is more or less how I got started on my own except rather than being laid off I managed to build up a little pipeline of work while I was away on leave and decided not to return. It was really bittersweet because the employer I left at the time was easily the most ethical, honest and reasonable people I've ever worked for.

                                          And above all things, never think that you're not good enough yourself. A man should never think that. My belief is that in life people will take you at your own reckoning. --Isaac Asimov Avoid the crowd. Do your own thinking independently. Be the chess player, not the chess piece. --Ralph Charell

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