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    Joao Vaz
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    http://boston.internet.com/news/article.php/1485861[^] This is getting worser and worser with too much lawyers and too less programming involved ... X| Cheers,Joao Vaz And if your dream is to care for your family, to put food on the table, to provide them with an education and a good home, then maybe suffering through an endless, pointless, boring job will seem to have purpose. And you will realize how even a rock can change the world, simply by remaining obstinately stationary.-Shog9

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      http://boston.internet.com/news/article.php/1485861[^] This is getting worser and worser with too much lawyers and too less programming involved ... X| Cheers,Joao Vaz And if your dream is to care for your family, to put food on the table, to provide them with an education and a good home, then maybe suffering through an endless, pointless, boring job will seem to have purpose. And you will realize how even a rock can change the world, simply by remaining obstinately stationary.-Shog9

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      Daniel Turini
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      As most companies, MS have much better programmers than lawyers. I'm a great MS fan, so you won't see me bashing them, but the last licenses from MS lack a minimum common sense (remember the gotdotnet workspace’s license?). Q261186 - Computer Randomly Plays Classical Music

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        As most companies, MS have much better programmers than lawyers. I'm a great MS fan, so you won't see me bashing them, but the last licenses from MS lack a minimum common sense (remember the gotdotnet workspace’s license?). Q261186 - Computer Randomly Plays Classical Music

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        benjymous
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        That was the one that gave Microsoft full copyright over all of your code, your grandmother and her kitchen sink, wasn't it? -- Help me! I'm turning into a grapefruit!

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          http://boston.internet.com/news/article.php/1485861[^] This is getting worser and worser with too much lawyers and too less programming involved ... X| Cheers,Joao Vaz And if your dream is to care for your family, to put food on the table, to provide them with an education and a good home, then maybe suffering through an endless, pointless, boring job will seem to have purpose. And you will realize how even a rock can change the world, simply by remaining obstinately stationary.-Shog9

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          Tim Smith
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          LOL, Warby forgot to put his brain in gear when he got up that morning. Tim Smith I'm going to patent thought. I have yet to see any prior art.

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            LOL, Warby forgot to put his brain in gear when he got up that morning. Tim Smith I'm going to patent thought. I have yet to see any prior art.

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            Tim Smith
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            What I would like to know is WHY IN THE **** they have computers with personal information tied close enough to the internet to even use auto-update. Sounds like a case of some anti-MS moron who doesn't even have enough of a clue to realize he has probably already provided outside access to personal information. Tim Smith I'm going to patent thought. I have yet to see any prior art.

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              What I would like to know is WHY IN THE **** they have computers with personal information tied close enough to the internet to even use auto-update. Sounds like a case of some anti-MS moron who doesn't even have enough of a clue to realize he has probably already provided outside access to personal information. Tim Smith I'm going to patent thought. I have yet to see any prior art.

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              I guess the fact that in the process of installing SP3, they have to agree to allow Microsoft to have access to their data. So even though the computer itself probably won't have any kind of internet connection, and will never run an automatic update, they've agreed to give Microsoft access, which is breaking the law, even though there's no way Microsoft can actually get at the data anyway (if you see what I mean) -- Help me! I'm turning into a grapefruit!

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                What I would like to know is WHY IN THE **** they have computers with personal information tied close enough to the internet to even use auto-update. Sounds like a case of some anti-MS moron who doesn't even have enough of a clue to realize he has probably already provided outside access to personal information. Tim Smith I'm going to patent thought. I have yet to see any prior art.

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                Jonathan Gilligan
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                Tim Smith wrote: WHY IN THE **** they have computers with personal information tied close enough to the internet to even use auto-update. You're absolutely right that auto-update would be stupid for anything that's supposed to be a secure system. However, you overstate the case when you ask why any bank would have computers with personal information connected to the internet. Most banks in the United States, following customer demand, allow customers to access account information (both bank and credit card accounts) over the net. Quicken and other financial software brags about its ability to download bank account and credit card statements. Even if an individual chooses not to use this access, computers with his account information are still exposed to the net. Why couldn't Science, in the long run, serve As well as one's uncleared lunch-table or Mme X en Culottes de Matador?     James Merrill

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                  LOL, Warby forgot to put his brain in gear when he got up that morning. Tim Smith I'm going to patent thought. I have yet to see any prior art.

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                  Joao Vaz
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                  But this is a funny thing, and if he's right ? SP3 and that financial law, afterall we have our accounts "exposed on net" , online banking , this could be a issue ? :~ Cheers,Joao Vaz And if your dream is to care for your family, to put food on the table, to provide them with an education and a good home, then maybe suffering through an endless, pointless, boring job will seem to have purpose. And you will realize how even a rock can change the world, simply by remaining obstinately stationary.-Shog9

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                    As most companies, MS have much better programmers than lawyers. I'm a great MS fan, so you won't see me bashing them, but the last licenses from MS lack a minimum common sense (remember the gotdotnet workspace’s license?). Q261186 - Computer Randomly Plays Classical Music

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                    Daniel Turini wrote: so you won't see me bashing them, I like to "bash" everybody ... that's the unix influence at work :laugh: Daniel Turini wrote: but the last licenses from MS lack a minimum common sense (remember the gotdotnet workspace’s license?). This issue with the financial law could have important repercussions ... let's see what gives ... Cheers,Joao Vaz And if your dream is to care for your family, to put food on the table, to provide them with an education and a good home, then maybe suffering through an endless, pointless, boring job will seem to have purpose. And you will realize how even a rock can change the world, simply by remaining obstinately stationary.-Shog9

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                      I guess the fact that in the process of installing SP3, they have to agree to allow Microsoft to have access to their data. So even though the computer itself probably won't have any kind of internet connection, and will never run an automatic update, they've agreed to give Microsoft access, which is breaking the law, even though there's no way Microsoft can actually get at the data anyway (if you see what I mean) -- Help me! I'm turning into a grapefruit!

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                      The guy is just being pissy. Tim Smith I'm going to patent thought. I have yet to see any prior art.

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                        But this is a funny thing, and if he's right ? SP3 and that financial law, afterall we have our accounts "exposed on net" , online banking , this could be a issue ? :~ Cheers,Joao Vaz And if your dream is to care for your family, to put food on the table, to provide them with an education and a good home, then maybe suffering through an endless, pointless, boring job will seem to have purpose. And you will realize how even a rock can change the world, simply by remaining obstinately stationary.-Shog9

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                        Tim Smith
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                        I bet they don't even think twice about letting someone from Dell fix the computer... Tim Smith I'm going to patent thought. I have yet to see any prior art.

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                          I bet they don't even think twice about letting someone from Dell fix the computer... Tim Smith I'm going to patent thought. I have yet to see any prior art.

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                          Joao Vaz
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                          Tim Smith wrote: I bet they don't even think twice about letting someone from Dell fix the computer... LOL :laugh: , true, true ... Cheers,Joao Vaz And if your dream is to care for your family, to put food on the table, to provide them with an education and a good home, then maybe suffering through an endless, pointless, boring job will seem to have purpose. And you will realize how even a rock can change the world, simply by remaining obstinately stationary.-Shog9

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                            http://boston.internet.com/news/article.php/1485861[^] This is getting worser and worser with too much lawyers and too less programming involved ... X| Cheers,Joao Vaz And if your dream is to care for your family, to put food on the table, to provide them with an education and a good home, then maybe suffering through an endless, pointless, boring job will seem to have purpose. And you will realize how even a rock can change the world, simply by remaining obstinately stationary.-Shog9

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                            I don't disagree that the Microsoft EULAs are confusing, however there is a genuine problem with how you idemnify yourself when providing auto-updating. By it's very definition, to auto-update, details of the local system will be examined and will be shared, whether directory or indirectly, with the server. What's silly is for a Bank, or large organization, having it's individual users do auto-updates at all. Forget legal issues, what professional IS department wants some computers to be current and others to be hopelessly outdated in terms of patches? And then what if a patch is incompatible with some specialized internal software and/or that software should be patched first, and on and on. (Then again, at the last place I worked, they forgot to patch new servers constantly and while they told us to keep our virus files up to date, they updated their server only after they got major infections. Fortunately, I could still get updates from McAfee.)

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