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    Christopher Duncan
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    I participated in a Career Day today for 8th graders. A group of businesspeople rotate through classrooms, talk about what they do and field questions. While I focused on my copywriting & speaking business, I touched on my previous lifetimes, including programming. In each of half a dozen classrooms, I asked how many people were interested in getting into programming / software development as a career. The grand total for all classes? Zero. The wild and wooly geek was once an object of fear, awe and admiration, a creature so bold and exciting that large masses of people wanted to become one. However, as best I can determine from limited empirical evidence, you are no longer cool. Certainly not in the eyes of the up and coming generation. Just thought you'd want to know. :)

    Christopher Duncan
    www.PracticalUSA.com
    Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes
    Copywriting Services

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      I participated in a Career Day today for 8th graders. A group of businesspeople rotate through classrooms, talk about what they do and field questions. While I focused on my copywriting & speaking business, I touched on my previous lifetimes, including programming. In each of half a dozen classrooms, I asked how many people were interested in getting into programming / software development as a career. The grand total for all classes? Zero. The wild and wooly geek was once an object of fear, awe and admiration, a creature so bold and exciting that large masses of people wanted to become one. However, as best I can determine from limited empirical evidence, you are no longer cool. Certainly not in the eyes of the up and coming generation. Just thought you'd want to know. :)

      Christopher Duncan
      www.PracticalUSA.com
      Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes
      Copywriting Services

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      Rama Krishna Vavilala
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      Isn't it too soon for them to find out whether they are really interested in programming. What was the hot career? When I was in 8th grade, I wanted to be an Air Force Pilot.

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        Isn't it too soon for them to find out whether they are really interested in programming. What was the hot career? When I was in 8th grade, I wanted to be an Air Force Pilot.

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        Dan Neely
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        Dunno. I was mucking around with basic on my trash 80 color in 2nd grade. I wouldn't even pretend to consider myself a template for normal though. :laugh:

        3x12=36 2x12=24 1x12=12 0x12=18

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          I participated in a Career Day today for 8th graders. A group of businesspeople rotate through classrooms, talk about what they do and field questions. While I focused on my copywriting & speaking business, I touched on my previous lifetimes, including programming. In each of half a dozen classrooms, I asked how many people were interested in getting into programming / software development as a career. The grand total for all classes? Zero. The wild and wooly geek was once an object of fear, awe and admiration, a creature so bold and exciting that large masses of people wanted to become one. However, as best I can determine from limited empirical evidence, you are no longer cool. Certainly not in the eyes of the up and coming generation. Just thought you'd want to know. :)

          Christopher Duncan
          www.PracticalUSA.com
          Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes
          Copywriting Services

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          Jim Crafton
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          I'd be curious to know: what did they express interest in? Besides winning American Idol or being the new flavor-of-the-week-reality-TV-star :)

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            I participated in a Career Day today for 8th graders. A group of businesspeople rotate through classrooms, talk about what they do and field questions. While I focused on my copywriting & speaking business, I touched on my previous lifetimes, including programming. In each of half a dozen classrooms, I asked how many people were interested in getting into programming / software development as a career. The grand total for all classes? Zero. The wild and wooly geek was once an object of fear, awe and admiration, a creature so bold and exciting that large masses of people wanted to become one. However, as best I can determine from limited empirical evidence, you are no longer cool. Certainly not in the eyes of the up and coming generation. Just thought you'd want to know. :)

            Christopher Duncan
            www.PracticalUSA.com
            Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes
            Copywriting Services

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            Chris Meech
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            Does this mean I won't be able to retire since no whipper snapper wants to take my job. Guess I'll have to turn on Wally mode in another year or two. :)

            Chris Meech I am Canadian. [heard in a local bar] In theory there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice there is. [Yogi Berra]

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              Dunno. I was mucking around with basic on my trash 80 color in 2nd grade. I wouldn't even pretend to consider myself a template for normal though. :laugh:

              3x12=36 2x12=24 1x12=12 0x12=18

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              Rama Krishna Vavilala
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              But was it cool to be a software developer that time. My guess is, it was never cool compared to say: being a pilot, being Jack Bauer, being a rocket scientist.

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                I participated in a Career Day today for 8th graders. A group of businesspeople rotate through classrooms, talk about what they do and field questions. While I focused on my copywriting & speaking business, I touched on my previous lifetimes, including programming. In each of half a dozen classrooms, I asked how many people were interested in getting into programming / software development as a career. The grand total for all classes? Zero. The wild and wooly geek was once an object of fear, awe and admiration, a creature so bold and exciting that large masses of people wanted to become one. However, as best I can determine from limited empirical evidence, you are no longer cool. Certainly not in the eyes of the up and coming generation. Just thought you'd want to know. :)

                Christopher Duncan
                www.PracticalUSA.com
                Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes
                Copywriting Services

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                Ennis Ray Lynch Jr
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                Bring to the class a paper bag with bread, a jar of jelly, a jar of peanut butter, and a pre-approved plastic knife then ask the class to instruct you in making the sandwich. Follow instructions literally. If that fails to gain their attention, try this: "You know that game Call of Duty? Yeah, I made that" (Change name of the game for the times) Realistically, I think if I ever do a career day I will just lie. I will say I am an overpaid consultant that travels the country telling other people how to do their jobs. I spend my free-time on boats, flying airplanes, and playing video games. I will then show photographs of super models and claim to be their friends. I will then emphatically state that their teacher is a moron whose only goal is for them to pass the State mandated testing with a high enough score to ensure tenure. I will then point outside to the parking lot at the rented Ferrari claiming it as my own and ask if there are any questions.

                Need custom software developed? I do custom programming based primarily on MS tools with an emphasis on C# development and consulting. A man said to the universe: "Sir I exist!" "However," replied the universe, "The fact has not created in me A sense of obligation." --Stephen Crane

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                  Bring to the class a paper bag with bread, a jar of jelly, a jar of peanut butter, and a pre-approved plastic knife then ask the class to instruct you in making the sandwich. Follow instructions literally. If that fails to gain their attention, try this: "You know that game Call of Duty? Yeah, I made that" (Change name of the game for the times) Realistically, I think if I ever do a career day I will just lie. I will say I am an overpaid consultant that travels the country telling other people how to do their jobs. I spend my free-time on boats, flying airplanes, and playing video games. I will then show photographs of super models and claim to be their friends. I will then emphatically state that their teacher is a moron whose only goal is for them to pass the State mandated testing with a high enough score to ensure tenure. I will then point outside to the parking lot at the rented Ferrari claiming it as my own and ask if there are any questions.

                  Need custom software developed? I do custom programming based primarily on MS tools with an emphasis on C# development and consulting. A man said to the universe: "Sir I exist!" "However," replied the universe, "The fact has not created in me A sense of obligation." --Stephen Crane

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                  Gonzoox
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                  You will have to lie for that?? what happened??? ;P :laugh:

                  I want to die like my grandfather- asleep, not like the passengers in his car, screaming!

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                    Isn't it too soon for them to find out whether they are really interested in programming. What was the hot career? When I was in 8th grade, I wanted to be an Air Force Pilot.

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                    I knew I wanted to program since I was in 5th or 6th grade.

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                      I knew I wanted to program since I was in 5th or 6th grade.

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                      Rama Krishna Vavilala
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                      Sure! But how many more wolfbinaries where there in your class or in the entire school?

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                      • C Christopher Duncan

                        I participated in a Career Day today for 8th graders. A group of businesspeople rotate through classrooms, talk about what they do and field questions. While I focused on my copywriting & speaking business, I touched on my previous lifetimes, including programming. In each of half a dozen classrooms, I asked how many people were interested in getting into programming / software development as a career. The grand total for all classes? Zero. The wild and wooly geek was once an object of fear, awe and admiration, a creature so bold and exciting that large masses of people wanted to become one. However, as best I can determine from limited empirical evidence, you are no longer cool. Certainly not in the eyes of the up and coming generation. Just thought you'd want to know. :)

                        Christopher Duncan
                        www.PracticalUSA.com
                        Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes
                        Copywriting Services

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                        peterchen
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                        To quote Shoggoth: Meh. Todays kids mantra seems to be "don't care about anyhting" - at least, noone should notice.

                        Christopher Duncan wrote:

                        The wild and wooly geek was once an object of fear, awe and admiration, a creature so bold and exciting that large masses of people wanted to become one

                        Uhuh. Yes, please continue....

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                          You will have to lie for that?? what happened??? ;P :laugh:

                          I want to die like my grandfather- asleep, not like the passengers in his car, screaming!

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                          Ennis Ray Lynch Jr
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                          Well, I don't actually own a Ferrari. Not enough trunk space :p

                          Need custom software developed? I do custom programming based primarily on MS tools with an emphasis on C# development and consulting. A man said to the universe: "Sir I exist!" "However," replied the universe, "The fact has not created in me A sense of obligation." --Stephen Crane

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                            To quote Shoggoth: Meh. Todays kids mantra seems to be "don't care about anyhting" - at least, noone should notice.

                            Christopher Duncan wrote:

                            The wild and wooly geek was once an object of fear, awe and admiration, a creature so bold and exciting that large masses of people wanted to become one

                            Uhuh. Yes, please continue....

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                            peterchen wrote:

                            Todays kids mantra seems to be "don't care about anyhting" - at least, noone should notice.

                            I got a feeling that our folks said the exact same thing. And so did their folks.......

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                              I knew I wanted to program since I was in 5th or 6th grade.

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                              Henry Minute
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                              Be sure to let us know, if you ever succeed. :-D

                              Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.”

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                                peterchen wrote:

                                Todays kids mantra seems to be "don't care about anyhting" - at least, noone should notice.

                                I got a feeling that our folks said the exact same thing. And so did their folks.......

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                                Henry Minute
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                                Oh no I didn't!!

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                                  I participated in a Career Day today for 8th graders. A group of businesspeople rotate through classrooms, talk about what they do and field questions. While I focused on my copywriting & speaking business, I touched on my previous lifetimes, including programming. In each of half a dozen classrooms, I asked how many people were interested in getting into programming / software development as a career. The grand total for all classes? Zero. The wild and wooly geek was once an object of fear, awe and admiration, a creature so bold and exciting that large masses of people wanted to become one. However, as best I can determine from limited empirical evidence, you are no longer cool. Certainly not in the eyes of the up and coming generation. Just thought you'd want to know. :)

                                  Christopher Duncan
                                  www.PracticalUSA.com
                                  Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes
                                  Copywriting Services

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                                  Not surprising. The popular culture of today is anti-intellectual, and programming has been largely commoditized.

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                                    Oh no I didn't!!

                                    Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.”

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                                    jeron1
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                                    Sure you did, you just don't remember. :-D

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                                      Bring to the class a paper bag with bread, a jar of jelly, a jar of peanut butter, and a pre-approved plastic knife then ask the class to instruct you in making the sandwich. Follow instructions literally. If that fails to gain their attention, try this: "You know that game Call of Duty? Yeah, I made that" (Change name of the game for the times) Realistically, I think if I ever do a career day I will just lie. I will say I am an overpaid consultant that travels the country telling other people how to do their jobs. I spend my free-time on boats, flying airplanes, and playing video games. I will then show photographs of super models and claim to be their friends. I will then emphatically state that their teacher is a moron whose only goal is for them to pass the State mandated testing with a high enough score to ensure tenure. I will then point outside to the parking lot at the rented Ferrari claiming it as my own and ask if there are any questions.

                                      Need custom software developed? I do custom programming based primarily on MS tools with an emphasis on C# development and consulting. A man said to the universe: "Sir I exist!" "However," replied the universe, "The fact has not created in me A sense of obligation." --Stephen Crane

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                                      Jim Crafton
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                                      You know, if you really do that can you please record it for posterity? I'd love to watch the video of that :)

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                                        Isn't it too soon for them to find out whether they are really interested in programming. What was the hot career? When I was in 8th grade, I wanted to be an Air Force Pilot.

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                                        Doctor Nick
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                                        Well, I had to fail out at accounting before I decided to go into CS. I had the idea in my head that I didn't want to actually go into something I saw as a hobby because then it wouldn't be any fun for me once it was my job. To a point that's happened but not like I thought it would. Interestingly enough all the people who couldn't cut it in the CS department ended up as business majors which lead them to project management/business analyst positions... :-D

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                                          I participated in a Career Day today for 8th graders. A group of businesspeople rotate through classrooms, talk about what they do and field questions. While I focused on my copywriting & speaking business, I touched on my previous lifetimes, including programming. In each of half a dozen classrooms, I asked how many people were interested in getting into programming / software development as a career. The grand total for all classes? Zero. The wild and wooly geek was once an object of fear, awe and admiration, a creature so bold and exciting that large masses of people wanted to become one. However, as best I can determine from limited empirical evidence, you are no longer cool. Certainly not in the eyes of the up and coming generation. Just thought you'd want to know. :)

                                          Christopher Duncan
                                          www.PracticalUSA.com
                                          Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes
                                          Copywriting Services

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                                          Caslen
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                                          Christopher Duncan wrote:

                                          The wild and wooly geek was once an object of fear, awe and admiration, a creature so bold and exciting that large masses of people wanted to become one

                                          Since when? I've never met anyone who wanted to be a geek - met plenty who wanted to punch one though :)

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