VB/C# "Coevolution"
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I think it isn't a wise strategy. :)
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VB = --Programmer;
Christopher Duncan
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Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes
Copywriting ServicesYou should really use VB syntax for that so the VB people can understand.
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You should really use VB syntax for that so the VB people can understand.
Need custom software developed? I do custom programming based primarily on MS tools with an emphasis on C# development and consulting. A man said to the universe: "Sir I exist!" "However," replied the universe, "The fact has not created in me A sense of obligation." --Stephen Crane
I figured if the languages were equivalent I could mix my metaphors. :)
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C# = VB - (VB.UglySyntax | VB.CounterIntuitiveUseOfTheSameBracesEveryWhere | VB.OverlyVerboseAndHardToReadCode );
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Surely you mean C# == VB - (VB.UglySyntax | VB.CounterIntuitiveUseOfTheSameBracesEveryWhere | VB.OverlyVerboseAndHardToReadCode );
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Maybe I haven't set up VS to make C# programming quicker, but I find the IDE in VB so much easier to use. For instance, the fact that you don't have to know which methods are available for a control, you just pick the one you want from the drop down's at the top of the code window. Or the fact that the VB IDE seems to correct a lot, which can make it a lot quicker...like if I type "if i = 0" and hit enter, it fills in the "Then" and "End If". And some of the statements seem more streamlined or with more functionality...for instance
Select Case intI
case <5
do something
case 6-10
do something else
case >10
do another thing
End Selector instead of
for (int i = 1; i <= 5; i++)how aboutfor i = 1 to 5. Personally, I find the VB IDE soooo much easier and quicker to use. -
C# = VB - (VB.UglySyntax | VB.CounterIntuitiveUseOfTheSameBracesEveryWhere | VB.OverlyVerboseAndHardToReadCode );
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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I just don't like language features that are included or left out specifically to make life easy for Visual Studio. X|
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Maybe I haven't set up VS to make C# programming quicker, but I find the IDE in VB so much easier to use. For instance, the fact that you don't have to know which methods are available for a control, you just pick the one you want from the drop down's at the top of the code window. Or the fact that the VB IDE seems to correct a lot, which can make it a lot quicker...like if I type "if i = 0" and hit enter, it fills in the "Then" and "End If". And some of the statements seem more streamlined or with more functionality...for instance
Select Case intI
case <5
do something
case 6-10
do something else
case >10
do another thing
End Selector instead of
for (int i = 1; i <= 5; i++)how aboutfor i = 1 to 5. Personally, I find the VB IDE soooo much easier and quicker to use.But what about writing it in a text editor? Don't judge a language by a single IDE.
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But what about writing it in a text editor? Don't judge a language by a single IDE.
Well, this was started talking about something that one of the VS team lead's had written. But, if I were writing in a text editor, I would still choose VB I think...though I don't know why I would be writing in a text editor... In the case of a text editor, the case insensitivity of VB is a benefit...I don't have to worry about getting all of the cases right. "intI" is the same as "inti" in VB. Granted, "inti" is harder to read, but that's why I don't program in a text editor...even one like gVim. The fact that VB .Net now basically has the same capabilities of C# to me would let me decide based on what I was programming in and how simple the IDE made it. The VS VB IDE seems to me to be better than the VS C# IDE.
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But what about writing it in a text editor? Don't judge a language by a single IDE.
VB.NET was never designed to be used outside of Visual Studio... Microsoft doesn't expect VB programmers to do anything the hard way :)
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VB code is easy to read - what drugs are you on. Can I have some ?
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You are assuming that the ability to find each word of a programming language in an english dictionary defines how easy the language is to read. Within the context of programmers reading code (not an average Joe), C# is more succinct, and is therefore easier to read and write.
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You are assuming that the ability to find each word of a programming language in an english dictionary defines how easy the language is to read. Within the context of programmers reading code (not an average Joe), C# is more succinct, and is therefore easier to read and write.
puromtec1 wrote:
C# is more succinct, and is therefore easier to read and write.
Not in all cases... And more succinct isn't necessarily easier to read and write... See two examples in William's post here[^]. I could probably think of a few more situations in which VB is easier to read, but it's just about time to go home, and I'm close to passing out (#%*@ing insomnia)... Personally, I started out in Basic and was pretty decent at VB before I even tried C#, but now I work almost exclusively with the latter. I do prefer the C# syntax in most cases, but that doesn't mean it's universally better.
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Maybe I haven't set up VS to make C# programming quicker, but I find the IDE in VB so much easier to use. For instance, the fact that you don't have to know which methods are available for a control, you just pick the one you want from the drop down's at the top of the code window. Or the fact that the VB IDE seems to correct a lot, which can make it a lot quicker...like if I type "if i = 0" and hit enter, it fills in the "Then" and "End If". And some of the statements seem more streamlined or with more functionality...for instance
Select Case intI
case <5
do something
case 6-10
do something else
case >10
do another thing
End Selector instead of
for (int i = 1; i <= 5; i++)how aboutfor i = 1 to 5. Personally, I find the VB IDE soooo much easier and quicker to use.William Winner wrote:
or instead of for (int i = 1; i <= 5; i++) how about for i = 1 to 5.
But what if you wanted to do something crazy like
for(float f=0; f < someNumber; f*=f)My current favourite word is: Smooth!
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C# = VB - (VB.UglySyntax | VB.CounterIntuitiveUseOfTheSameBracesEveryWhere | VB.OverlyVerboseAndHardToReadCode );
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puromtec1 wrote:
C# is more succinct, and is therefore easier to read and write.
Not in all cases... And more succinct isn't necessarily easier to read and write... See two examples in William's post here[^]. I could probably think of a few more situations in which VB is easier to read, but it's just about time to go home, and I'm close to passing out (#%*@ing insomnia)... Personally, I started out in Basic and was pretty decent at VB before I even tried C#, but now I work almost exclusively with the latter. I do prefer the C# syntax in most cases, but that doesn't mean it's universally better.
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
Author of Guardians of Xen (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novel)Ian Shlasko wrote:
I'm close to passing out
I hear you on that one... It is true that his for example demonstrates a for statement is less characters in VB. However, it highlights another readability issue which is that the VB statement requires pause to remember "when does 'i' stop, at 5 or before 5?' Also, you have to realize that characters like these '{}()[]' are visual aids that help our eyes separate and identify information. This is in fact a plus for readability while it does increase the number of characters on the page in some instances.
Ian Shlasko wrote:
I started out in Basic
Basic on the TI calculator is where I started and did vb before C#, too.
Ian Shlasko wrote:
but that doesn't mean it's universally better.
I don't think it is worthwhile to postulate if anything is universally better to everything else regardless of topic. However, it is an important question to answer because it may affect the bottom line of our customers.
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Ian Shlasko wrote:
I'm close to passing out
I hear you on that one... It is true that his for example demonstrates a for statement is less characters in VB. However, it highlights another readability issue which is that the VB statement requires pause to remember "when does 'i' stop, at 5 or before 5?' Also, you have to realize that characters like these '{}()[]' are visual aids that help our eyes separate and identify information. This is in fact a plus for readability while it does increase the number of characters on the page in some instances.
Ian Shlasko wrote:
I started out in Basic
Basic on the TI calculator is where I started and did vb before C#, too.
Ian Shlasko wrote:
but that doesn't mean it's universally better.
I don't think it is worthwhile to postulate if anything is universally better to everything else regardless of topic. However, it is an important question to answer because it may affect the bottom line of our customers.
puromtec1 wrote:
Basic on the TI calculator is where I started
Oh yeah, I did a little line bouncing screensaver on my TI-83+ 6 to 10 years ago... I should add that to my resume. ;P
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William Winner wrote:
or instead of for (int i = 1; i <= 5; i++) how about for i = 1 to 5.
But what if you wanted to do something crazy like
for(float f=0; f < someNumber; f*=f)My current favourite word is: Smooth!
-SK Genius
SK Genius wrote:
for(float f=0; f < someNumber; f*=f)
Well, first of all, that is an infinite loop as 0 * 0 is always going to be 0, but I get your point, and I agree that in many cases, including that one, c# is quicker...though you can still always just do a
whileordo whileloop. You're never limited to just theforloop.
