It stinks in Detroit...
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What's bizarre about this is that it took a federal lawsuit to make the point. If I sat at my desk and played rock & roll at full, blaring volume (i.e., the appropriate levels for any good rock), everyone in the office would complain and it would be insisted upon, with great vigor, that I turn down the music or pursue employment opportunities elsewhere. It's offensive and distracting behavior. If someone comes in to work smelling like he rolled around in the sewer, folks will also find that offensive and distracting. In a civilized society, subjecting others to your reeking stench is socially unacceptable, and few people would find this unusual. That said, a precedent clearly exists. Consideration of those you work with extends to the odors you emit. Regardless of whether it's body odor from poor personal hygiene, what you smoked for lunch or something you personally want to smell, it doesn't excuse you from consideration of others. Frankly, there have been times that I just wanted to stop the elevator and throw someone down the shaft. Perfume and cologne are not acceptable substitutes for bathing.
Christopher Duncan
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Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes
Copywriting ServicesChristopher Duncan wrote:
Frankly, there have been times that I just wanted to stop the elevator and throw someone down the shaft.
Good to see those anger management classes are paying off ... now, give into your hatred and your training will be complete. :rolleyes:
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Detroit city employees told not to wear perfume, cologne, aftershave due to a settlement in a federal lawsuit filed in 2008 by a city employee who said a colleague's perfume made it challenging for her to do her job. [^] :Don't Breath:
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I think I'd take the overpowering stench of perfume over the malodorous stench of noxious bum gas any day of the week.
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Christopher Duncan wrote:
Frankly, there have been times that I just wanted to stop the elevator and throw someone down the shaft.
Good to see those anger management classes are paying off ... now, give into your hatred and your training will be complete. :rolleyes:
:..::. Douglas H. Troy ::..
Bad Astronomy |VCF|wxWidgets|WTLBack when I was working for AT&T, I was in the King & Queen building (you Atlanta folks will know what I mean), which was Yuppie Central. I had hair down to my shoulders, an earring and wore a black leather biker jacket. You shoulda seen them shuffle towards the walls when they got on the elevator with me. Once, when a person was looking particularly nervous, I just couldn't help myself. Ignoring the briefcase I was carrying, I looked at her and politely said, "Yes, in fact, I am a mugger. However, I get Thursdays off." Right on cue, the bell dinged, the door opened, and she just sat there twitching as I walked out the doors. Or, as they used to say on The Coyote Channel, :baaaa!: - It's what's for dinner. :)
Christopher Duncan
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Back when I was working for AT&T, I was in the King & Queen building (you Atlanta folks will know what I mean), which was Yuppie Central. I had hair down to my shoulders, an earring and wore a black leather biker jacket. You shoulda seen them shuffle towards the walls when they got on the elevator with me. Once, when a person was looking particularly nervous, I just couldn't help myself. Ignoring the briefcase I was carrying, I looked at her and politely said, "Yes, in fact, I am a mugger. However, I get Thursdays off." Right on cue, the bell dinged, the door opened, and she just sat there twitching as I walked out the doors. Or, as they used to say on The Coyote Channel, :baaaa!: - It's what's for dinner. :)
Christopher Duncan
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??!! WTF!? How on earth did this not just get dismissed right off the bat?
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Probably because it was a completely reasonable request. This story didn't give details on the lawsuit, but I seriously doubt the plaintiff just found perfume annoying. It's common for perfumes to cause migraines or difficulty breathing. If the person with the allergy also has asthma perfume can be a serious health threat. Given that we're not talking about a perfume department or the like, it's perfectly reasonable to expect the workplace to remove the offending substance. The only thing that is ridiculous is that it actually took a court to do what a supervisor should have done.
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Back when I was working for AT&T, I was in the King & Queen building (you Atlanta folks will know what I mean), which was Yuppie Central. I had hair down to my shoulders, an earring and wore a black leather biker jacket. You shoulda seen them shuffle towards the walls when they got on the elevator with me. Once, when a person was looking particularly nervous, I just couldn't help myself. Ignoring the briefcase I was carrying, I looked at her and politely said, "Yes, in fact, I am a mugger. However, I get Thursdays off." Right on cue, the bell dinged, the door opened, and she just sat there twitching as I walked out the doors. Or, as they used to say on The Coyote Channel, :baaaa!: - It's what's for dinner. :)
Christopher Duncan
www.PracticalUSA.com
Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes
Copywriting Servicesand now she's your wife! Girls always go for the bad boys :laugh:
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Probably because it was a completely reasonable request. This story didn't give details on the lawsuit, but I seriously doubt the plaintiff just found perfume annoying. It's common for perfumes to cause migraines or difficulty breathing. If the person with the allergy also has asthma perfume can be a serious health threat. Given that we're not talking about a perfume department or the like, it's perfectly reasonable to expect the workplace to remove the offending substance. The only thing that is ridiculous is that it actually took a court to do what a supervisor should have done.
James L. Thomson wrote:
The only thing that is ridiculous is that it actually took a court to do what a supervisor should have done.
That's kind of what I mean - I should have been more clear. I don't see why this had to go to court at all when it easily could have been handled "in house".
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What gets me is how people can not notice that they carry a "certain fragrance" with them - when they walk past in the supermarket and you can tell they smoke dope, surely they must realize!
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They would, if they weren't so hazy ....
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What gets me is how people can not notice that they carry a "certain fragrance" with them - when they walk past in the supermarket and you can tell they smoke dope, surely they must realize!
You should never use standby on an elephant. It always crashes when you lift the ears. - Mark Wallace C/C++ (I dont see a huge difference between them, and the 'benefits' of C++ are questionable, who needs inheritance when you have copy and paste) - fat_boy
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Christopher Duncan wrote:
Frankly, there have been times that I just wanted to stop the elevator and throw someone down the shaft.
Good to see those anger management classes are paying off ... now, give into your hatred and your training will be complete. :rolleyes:
:..::. Douglas H. Troy ::..
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and now she's your wife! Girls always go for the bad boys :laugh:
Steve _________________ I C(++) therefore I am
I ain't tellin'. :-D
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When you marinade yourself in a stench, legal or not you eventually stop being able to smell it at all yourself because the receptors in your nose become saturated.
3x12=36 2x12=24 1x12=12 0x12=18
And besides, you're distracted by the munchies.
Christopher Duncan
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Back when I was working for AT&T, I was in the King & Queen building (you Atlanta folks will know what I mean), which was Yuppie Central. I had hair down to my shoulders, an earring and wore a black leather biker jacket. You shoulda seen them shuffle towards the walls when they got on the elevator with me. Once, when a person was looking particularly nervous, I just couldn't help myself. Ignoring the briefcase I was carrying, I looked at her and politely said, "Yes, in fact, I am a mugger. However, I get Thursdays off." Right on cue, the bell dinged, the door opened, and she just sat there twitching as I walked out the doors. Or, as they used to say on The Coyote Channel, :baaaa!: - It's what's for dinner. :)
Christopher Duncan
www.PracticalUSA.com
Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes
Copywriting ServicesI rented a house from some yuppies in the 80s. Actually, it was more a shack they should have torn down before building their home. It had two rooms and a hole in the floor. Anyhow, I had to walk through their gate to get there, and the guy would literally run to stand between me and his wife, if they were about. I stayed for 2 months without paying rent because they never came to get it, he finally summed up the courage, and I paid him in full, I'd been keeping it and waiting for him to ask. I had hair well past my shoulders and lived in metal shirts, much as I do today ( the shirts, not the hair, the wife won't allow that ).
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I rented a house from some yuppies in the 80s. Actually, it was more a shack they should have torn down before building their home. It had two rooms and a hole in the floor. Anyhow, I had to walk through their gate to get there, and the guy would literally run to stand between me and his wife, if they were about. I stayed for 2 months without paying rent because they never came to get it, he finally summed up the courage, and I paid him in full, I'd been keeping it and waiting for him to ask. I had hair well past my shoulders and lived in metal shirts, much as I do today ( the shirts, not the hair, the wife won't allow that ).
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Yeah, I've never had much patience for people who judge you based solely on how you look, and thus have been known to do the same sorts of things myself.
Christopher Duncan
www.PracticalUSA.com
Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes
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Detroit city employees told not to wear perfume, cologne, aftershave due to a settlement in a federal lawsuit filed in 2008 by a city employee who said a colleague's perfume made it challenging for her to do her job. [^] :Don't Breath:
Steve _________________ I C(++) therefore I am
Maybe the colleague was wearing Sex Panther
My current favourite word is: Smooth!
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I actually know a woman who had the same issue several years ago... She was getting migraines whenever a woman came into the office loaded up with perfume (Not one particular woman, but anyone who overdid the scent). Fortunately, she's changed jobs since. Me, I don't get headaches or anything from it, but I do find it REALLY annoying... But then, I don't find makeup attractive either, so maybe I'm just weird.
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
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But then, I don't find makeup attractive either,
Maybe you should have a professional put it on you instead (or at least get some training)... :)
.45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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Detroit city employees told not to wear perfume, cologne, aftershave due to a settlement in a federal lawsuit filed in 2008 by a city employee who said a colleague's perfume made it challenging for her to do her job. [^] :Don't Breath:
Steve _________________ I C(++) therefore I am
An employee of Detroit City was actually working?!?
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I think I'd take the overpowering stench of perfume over the malodorous stench of noxious bum gas any day of the week.
martin_hughes wrote:
noxious bum gas
NBG - I like it... :)
.45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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Ian Shlasko wrote:
But then, I don't find makeup attractive either,
Maybe you should have a professional put it on you instead (or at least get some training)... :)
.45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001I knew we could rely on you John. :laugh:
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When you marinade yourself in a stench, legal or not you eventually stop being able to smell it at all yourself because the receptors in your nose become saturated.
3x12=36 2x12=24 1x12=12 0x12=18
