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Windows XP Mode No Longer Requires A Processor Capable of Virtualization

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  • P peterchen

    Given that list, it makes sense - I dodn't expect that much fragmentation within single processor families.

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    Sean Cundiff
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    To be honest, all i3, i5 and i7 families support it. So if you're buying a new computer with those procs, you're ok. However, if you're a company like us, we simply don't have the budget to go out and buy new computers right now. We do have a Microsoft site-license so we can upgrade to Win 7 with money that has already been spent. My current machine is a 2.8 GHz Pentium D that doesn't support hardware virtualization (we got burned). So this announcement is very welcome because we can now run XP-mode (which comes with a fully licensed copy of Windows XP) without making an additional purchase.

    -Sean ---- Fire Nuts

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      How many processors are out there that are suitable for W7 Pro, but don't have virtualization? My problems with XP mode were: - IDE Drive size Limit - No single tool to downsize, un-HAL and import single partition as VHD and one continued annoyance - removing "Shutdown" from the virtualized start menu.

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      peterchen wrote:

      My problems with XP mode were: - IDE Drive size Limit - No single tool to downsize, un-HAL and import single partition as VHD and one continued annoyance - removing "Shutdown" from the virtualized start menu.

      You should try out VMware Player 3, it's free and I believe it will do those things for you. Concerning the shutdown issue: I have the same problem using remote desktop but I've found using ctrl-alt-end in remote desktop mode translates to ctrl-alt-delete on the remote machine. Maybe it will have the same effect in XP mode?

      -Sean ---- Fire Nuts

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        peterchen wrote:

        My problems with XP mode were: - IDE Drive size Limit - No single tool to downsize, un-HAL and import single partition as VHD and one continued annoyance - removing "Shutdown" from the virtualized start menu.

        You should try out VMware Player 3, it's free and I believe it will do those things for you. Concerning the shutdown issue: I have the same problem using remote desktop but I've found using ctrl-alt-end in remote desktop mode translates to ctrl-alt-delete on the remote machine. Maybe it will have the same effect in XP mode?

        -Sean ---- Fire Nuts

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        VMWare doesn't have the XP licence XP Mode comes with. Microsoft did "some funny things" to enable automatic logon in XP Mode, and somehow this interacts with the shutdown. (maybe they need it for desktop integration of XP Mode programs).It works quite different from remote desktop The remote connection integrated in Hyper-V manager works best for me - don't know why each of these has to be different. :rolleyes:

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        • S Sean Cundiff

          It's about time. http://lifehacker.com/5497316/windows-xp-mode-no-longer-requires-virtualization-hardware[^] and here: http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2010/03/microsoft-removes-vm-hardware-requirements-from-xp-mode.ars[^] (1) If you are using AMD it really didn't matter as all of their current chips support hardware virtualization. If you were using Intel however, it was pretty much a crapshoot on which chip would allow you to run XP mode. (2) I wonder what caused them to rethink this -- the number of people burned by the fact they couldn't run XP mode as advertised, or the fact that VMware just worked (especially now that VMware Player 3 pretty much has all the features of prior Workstation versions that most people would use. And it's free.) [to be honest you still need a hardware virtualization capable chip to run 64-bit guest OS's in VMware]

          -Sean ---- Fire Nuts

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          I just pulled the trigger on a Dell that's okay for my needs, but doesn't have the i3 or i5 processor. I would have bought one that did, but it would take 3 to 4 weeks to get here, and I wasn't willing to be that long without a laptop. So, I bought a similar one on their Fast Track program, which means it's already built, sitting in a box and ready to ship. The downside is no customizations, but it had 4 GB / 320 hard drive, Win 7 Pro and covered the bases so there wasn't much I would have customized anyway. The upside is free overnight shipping, so it'll go out Monday & be here Tuesday. I was a little concerned at giving up XP mode just in case something didn't play nice, but now everything's just fine. Thanks for the post!

          Christopher Duncan
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            I just pulled the trigger on a Dell that's okay for my needs, but doesn't have the i3 or i5 processor. I would have bought one that did, but it would take 3 to 4 weeks to get here, and I wasn't willing to be that long without a laptop. So, I bought a similar one on their Fast Track program, which means it's already built, sitting in a box and ready to ship. The downside is no customizations, but it had 4 GB / 320 hard drive, Win 7 Pro and covered the bases so there wasn't much I would have customized anyway. The upside is free overnight shipping, so it'll go out Monday & be here Tuesday. I was a little concerned at giving up XP mode just in case something didn't play nice, but now everything's just fine. Thanks for the post!

            Christopher Duncan
            www.PracticalUSA.com
            Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes
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            Rama Krishna Vavilala
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            Christopher Duncan wrote:

            now everything's just fine

            Now, yes! Wait till the laptop arrives and you have to play with Win 7.

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            • R Rama Krishna Vavilala

              Christopher Duncan wrote:

              now everything's just fine

              Now, yes! Wait till the laptop arrives and you have to play with Win 7.

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              Just the sort of thing I'd expect from you bunny hugging Mac guys. ;P

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              • C Christopher Duncan

                Just the sort of thing I'd expect from you bunny hugging Mac guys. ;P

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                Chris Meech
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                Bunny? I thought it was a leopard they hugged. :)

                Chris Meech I am Canadian. [heard in a local bar] In theory there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice there is. [Yogi Berra]

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                  Bunny? I thought it was a leopard they hugged. :)

                  Chris Meech I am Canadian. [heard in a local bar] In theory there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice there is. [Yogi Berra]

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                  Christopher Duncan
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                  Bunnies are more trouble. Trust me on this one. :)

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                  • P peterchen

                    How many processors are out there that are suitable for W7 Pro, but don't have virtualization? My problems with XP mode were: - IDE Drive size Limit - No single tool to downsize, un-HAL and import single partition as VHD and one continued annoyance - removing "Shutdown" from the virtualized start menu.

                    Agh! Reality! My Archnemesis![^]
                    | FoldWithUs! | sighist | µLaunch - program launcher for server core and hyper-v server.

                    modified on Friday, March 19, 2010 12:22 PM

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                    Lost User
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                    peterchen wrote:

                    How many processors are out there that are suitable for W7 Pro, but don't have virtualization?

                    Lots. Here[^] are the Intel ones, here[^] are the AMD ones. Cheers, Drew.

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                    • C Christopher Duncan

                      Bunnies are more trouble. Trust me on this one. :)

                      Christopher Duncan
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                      Ms Bunny
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                      Oh, Christopher! Don't be mean. XXXXX

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                        Oh, Christopher! Don't be mean. XXXXX

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                        Christopher Duncan
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                        [Captain Jack Sparrow] You need to find yourself a girl, mate. :rolleyes: [/Captain Jack Sparrow]

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