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  • H Hans Dietrich

    Anyone tried one of these: Intel SSD. I want to see VS open up before I lift my finger from the mouse.

    Best wishes, Hans


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    peterchen
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    70 MB/s write speed is a bit low - twice that is common, and there are some devices that supposedly top out SATA II transfer rates.

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      70 MB/s write speed is a bit low - twice that is common, and there are some devices that supposedly top out SATA II transfer rates.

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      Hans Dietrich
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      The sustained read speed is up to 250MB/s. So I'm thinking to just load VS and maybe Office onto the SSD. Do you know of a better SSD? I was looking at Patriot Torqx, which is very fast, but I read some reviews that the drives had died after a few months.

      Best wishes, Hans


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      • H Hans Dietrich

        Anyone tried one of these: Intel SSD. I want to see VS open up before I lift my finger from the mouse.

        Best wishes, Hans


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        Robert Surtees
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        As with all hardware speed improvements, the OS will quickly be modified to consume every bit of the savings. I predict NTFS will be updated to store all data using XML by the end of the year so the current weather and sunspot activity can be associated with each byte stored.

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          70 MB/s write speed is a bit low - twice that is common, and there are some devices that supposedly top out SATA II transfer rates.

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          Do not confuse sequential and random read writes. Random writes is what matters most on a boot/application drive and that's where Intel is the King.

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            70 MB/s write speed is a bit low - twice that is common, and there are some devices that supposedly top out SATA II transfer rates.

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            Dan Neely
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            True, on sequential writes intel's controller is well behind the competition (the indilynx barefoot controller does ~170MB sustained), but the random read/write scenarios are where 99% of the waiting for an HD occurs and intel's controller is without any rival in the consumer market on that metric.

            3x12=36 2x12=24 1x12=12 0x12=18

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              Do not confuse sequential and random read writes. Random writes is what matters most on a boot/application drive and that's where Intel is the King.

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              OCZ specifies e.g. "write: up to 200MB/s, sustained write: up to 100MB/s" - I'm not sure how this compares, though.

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              • H Hans Dietrich

                Anyone tried one of these: Intel SSD. I want to see VS open up before I lift my finger from the mouse.

                Best wishes, Hans


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                dighn
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                I have the 1st generation one and it is awesome. VS starts up instantly, as do everything else. The G2 is even faster. Surprisingly, Acrobat Reader still takes a few seconds to start up.

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                  As with all hardware speed improvements, the OS will quickly be modified to consume every bit of the savings. I predict NTFS will be updated to store all data using XML by the end of the year so the current weather and sunspot activity can be associated with each byte stored.

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                  Rajesh R Subramanian
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                  They're in the process of upgrading. But this is right now a low priority task, as they know the hardware manufacturers are going to take a while.

                  “Follow your bliss.” – Joseph Campbell

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                    I have the 1st generation one and it is awesome. VS starts up instantly, as do everything else. The G2 is even faster. Surprisingly, Acrobat Reader still takes a few seconds to start up.

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                    dighn wrote:

                    Surprisingly, Acrobat Reader still takes a few seconds to start up.

                    FTFY

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                    • H Hans Dietrich

                      Anyone tried one of these: Intel SSD. I want to see VS open up before I lift my finger from the mouse.

                      Best wishes, Hans


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                      Jorgen Andersson
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                      I have a 256 GB Samsung in my laptop. It's supposedly not as good as the Intel, but I couldn't be happier with it. It's without competition the best performance boost since I went from floppies to HDD!

                      "When did ignorance become a point of view" - Dilbert

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                      • H Hans Dietrich

                        Anyone tried one of these: Intel SSD. I want to see VS open up before I lift my finger from the mouse.

                        Best wishes, Hans


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                        Matt Gullett
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                        I have one in my home dev PC. It's great. App start times are extremely quick. Where I feel the biggest benefit is not app launch times, it's in multi-tasking situations. For instance, when building a large project in VC, with a HDD, switching to other apps can be slow due to HDD activity. With the SSD, no lag whatsoever. I can build 2 or 3 projects at the same time while surfing the net, switching apps (e.g. Word/Excel), etc.

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                        • M Matt Gullett

                          I have one in my home dev PC. It's great. App start times are extremely quick. Where I feel the biggest benefit is not app launch times, it's in multi-tasking situations. For instance, when building a large project in VC, with a HDD, switching to other apps can be slow due to HDD activity. With the SSD, no lag whatsoever. I can build 2 or 3 projects at the same time while surfing the net, switching apps (e.g. Word/Excel), etc.

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                          Disabling your pagefile also removes the lag at application switching..

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                            dighn wrote:

                            Surprisingly, Acrobat Reader still takes a few seconds to start up.

                            FTFY

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                            Jörgen Andersson wrote:

                            dighn wrote: Unsurprisingly, Acrobat Reader still takes a few seconds to start up. FTFY

                            FTFY :-\

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                            • H Hans Dietrich

                              The sustained read speed is up to 250MB/s. So I'm thinking to just load VS and maybe Office onto the SSD. Do you know of a better SSD? I was looking at Patriot Torqx, which is very fast, but I read some reviews that the drives had died after a few months.

                              Best wishes, Hans


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                              Dan Neely
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                              Hans Dietrich wrote:

                              Do you know of a better SSD? I was looking at Patriot Torqx, which is very fast, but I read some reviews that the drives had died after a few months.

                              If their size/capacities fit your needs/budgets the Intel SSDs are your best bet. The Indilynx Barefoot controller (used in the Torqx and most other consumer ssds on the market) is significantly faster on sequential reads, but the intel kills it on random accesss performance. Both drives will offer sequential read performance in the 250-270MB/sec range with luck of the draw in flash chips being a major driver because that level corresponds to saturating the SATA bus. The only other established controllers on the market are poor (Samsung) or worse than nothing (JMicron); and while there are several new controllers out (including on by JMicron that fixes the previous models failings) that are as fast or faster than the competition none have been around long enough to prove their reliability. If you're willing to take a chance on them, Anand's reviewed both so check his storage articles. I haven't seen any reports of unusual failure rates for any Indilynx based drives, although both they (more specifically at least on of the companies using their controller) and Intel have released at least one firmware that has resulted in data loss. The bad indilynx firmware didn't maintain a coherent state if the computer went into standby mode while it was performing a trim. I don't recall what the problem with the Intel firmware was.

                              3x12=36 2x12=24 1x12=12 0x12=18

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                              • H Hans Dietrich

                                Anyone tried one of these: Intel SSD. I want to see VS open up before I lift my finger from the mouse.

                                Best wishes, Hans


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                                Nicholas Butler
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                                I've been using one for nearly a year and it's fantastic. VS2008 loads in ~4 secs and VS2010 RC in ~3 secs, but the best thing is that the whole system feels more responsive. I highly recommend getting one! My 80GB formatted to give 75GB and with Windows 7, Office, MSDN, VS 2008 & 2010 I have 35GB left. I turned off hibernation and moved my swap file to a hard drive. Nick

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                                  I've been using one for nearly a year and it's fantastic. VS2008 loads in ~4 secs and VS2010 RC in ~3 secs, but the best thing is that the whole system feels more responsive. I highly recommend getting one! My 80GB formatted to give 75GB and with Windows 7, Office, MSDN, VS 2008 & 2010 I have 35GB left. I turned off hibernation and moved my swap file to a hard drive. Nick

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                                  Abhinav S
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                                  Nicholas Butler wrote:

                                  VS2008 loads in ~4 secs and VS2010 RC in ~3 secs,

                                  I don't have one of those super processors and Visual Studio 8 loads very fast. Visual Studio 10, however, takes ages.

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                                    Nicholas Butler wrote:

                                    VS2008 loads in ~4 secs and VS2010 RC in ~3 secs,

                                    I don't have one of those super processors and Visual Studio 8 loads very fast. Visual Studio 10, however, takes ages.

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                                    Rajesh R Subramanian
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                                    Abhinav S wrote:

                                    I don't have one of those super processors and Visual Studio 8 loads very fast.

                                    We're not talking about processors, are we? This is about solid state drives from Intel.

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                                    • H Hans Dietrich

                                      Anyone tried one of these: Intel SSD. I want to see VS open up before I lift my finger from the mouse.

                                      Best wishes, Hans


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                                      Giorgi Dalakishvili
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                                      Here is a nice review: The State of Solid State Hard Drives[^]

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                                        I have a 256 GB Samsung in my laptop. It's supposedly not as good as the Intel, but I couldn't be happier with it. It's without competition the best performance boost since I went from floppies to HDD!

                                        "When did ignorance become a point of view" - Dilbert

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                                        Hans Dietrich
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                                        How fast does VS open?

                                        Best wishes, Hans


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                                        • H Hans Dietrich

                                          How fast does VS open?

                                          Best wishes, Hans


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                                          Jorgen Andersson
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                                          Six seconds, but I'm just having a laptop, that's not equipped with the fastest memory or processor. The revelation is when you open the projects, and compile them.

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