So, why are you looking to leave your company?
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When I talk with recruiters, because I'm still employed, one of the first questions I am asked is "Why are you looking to leave your company?" ... well, money is the truth. I'm significantly underpaid (by tens of $k compared to co-workers of same or lesser roles) and looking for the pay raise that my managers have been failing to deliver for years (despite promises otherwise). My experiences so far have told me that recruiters don't like the truth. They aren't looking to help me get a raise. I've switched to just saying that I don't want to bash my current company and giving a false number when asked my current salary. That response is typically accepted and recruiters don't prod much beyond that, if at all. But I still don't like it. I really like honesty, but it seems like I have to lie about a number of aspects to actually be considered for positions. Thoughts?
CodeAddiction wrote:
recruiters
CodeAddiction wrote:
Thoughts?
Scum. All of them. It's a false industry feeding off of a communication failure, and they are out for themselves. Don't ever forget that, don't ever think they have your best interests at heart. Don't ever think they are actually listening to anything you say, or selecting you specifically for roles. I've been on both sides of this equation (hiring and job hunting) and I can tell you that they basically throw every CV they can get their hands on that matches a keyword search at the contacts they have and hope something sticks. Don't feel bad lying to them (They probably aren't listening anyway, they're just busy clicking forward on your CV to every company that does "IT"). Just be honest on your CV about your skills and experience and tell the truth when you get to the interview and have your future manager in front of you. There are actually two types of recruiters, and I'm going to quote here because Joel says it better[^]
- A contingency recruiter only gets paid if they place a candidate. Companies that use contingency recruiters tend to use dozens of them, because it's free until they actually find someone. The recruiter stands to make so much money that it's in their interest to spam the universe trying to throw any and all candidates at the company hoping that one of them sticks in which case they hit the jackpot and make, typically, 1/4-1/3 of the first year salary. - A retained search recruiter is paid to fill the position whether or not they are successful. The retained search relationship is also exclusive, meaning, only one recruiter will be hired by the company to find someone to fill a position.
The scum I'm talking about are contingency recruiters. I've only ever met the other kind once and they were totally different
Simon
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When I talk with recruiters, because I'm still employed, one of the first questions I am asked is "Why are you looking to leave your company?" ... well, money is the truth. I'm significantly underpaid (by tens of $k compared to co-workers of same or lesser roles) and looking for the pay raise that my managers have been failing to deliver for years (despite promises otherwise). My experiences so far have told me that recruiters don't like the truth. They aren't looking to help me get a raise. I've switched to just saying that I don't want to bash my current company and giving a false number when asked my current salary. That response is typically accepted and recruiters don't prod much beyond that, if at all. But I still don't like it. I really like honesty, but it seems like I have to lie about a number of aspects to actually be considered for positions. Thoughts?
I usually say, I have been with the company for a while now and while I'm not terribly unhappy, I am interested in exploring other opportunities. I have had to leave my job a few times to get good raises. Also, if you can avoid telling them what you make try that. Just say, I will need X amount of dollars to make a move.
I didn't get any requirements for the signature
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My current project is ending and it is time to move on. Edit: Also, never tell someone how much you are making. The current answer is, "For my next position I am expecting to make X"
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Ennis Ray Lynch, Jr. wrote:
My current project is ending and it is time to move on.
Yes, but never go into details of why it is ending. If asked, saying "the rumor that my low quality code killed the project is totally false" is enough. :)
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CodeAddiction wrote:
Thoughts?
Several. Naked women, my current project, what will I have for dinner?, naked women, I need to get a more comfortable chair, I wish I can afford a ferrari, naked women...
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Great minds think alike!
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When I talk with recruiters, because I'm still employed, one of the first questions I am asked is "Why are you looking to leave your company?" ... well, money is the truth. I'm significantly underpaid (by tens of $k compared to co-workers of same or lesser roles) and looking for the pay raise that my managers have been failing to deliver for years (despite promises otherwise). My experiences so far have told me that recruiters don't like the truth. They aren't looking to help me get a raise. I've switched to just saying that I don't want to bash my current company and giving a false number when asked my current salary. That response is typically accepted and recruiters don't prod much beyond that, if at all. But I still don't like it. I really like honesty, but it seems like I have to lie about a number of aspects to actually be considered for positions. Thoughts?
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Great minds think alike!
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:-D
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When I talk with recruiters, because I'm still employed, one of the first questions I am asked is "Why are you looking to leave your company?" ... well, money is the truth. I'm significantly underpaid (by tens of $k compared to co-workers of same or lesser roles) and looking for the pay raise that my managers have been failing to deliver for years (despite promises otherwise). My experiences so far have told me that recruiters don't like the truth. They aren't looking to help me get a raise. I've switched to just saying that I don't want to bash my current company and giving a false number when asked my current salary. That response is typically accepted and recruiters don't prod much beyond that, if at all. But I still don't like it. I really like honesty, but it seems like I have to lie about a number of aspects to actually be considered for positions. Thoughts?
If money is an important factor, tell them the truth. Tell you're being underpaid and prove you're good enough as your colleagues who are being paid well. You'll get a job that pays you well.
“Follow your bliss.” – Joseph Campbell
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CodeAddiction wrote:
and giving a false number when asked my current salary.
CodeAddiction wrote:
Thoughts?
Yeah, don't lie about your current salary. They will check. Lying is a very good reason not to hire somebody.
Um... they aren't ALLOWED to check. If they happen to contact your current employer all your current employer is allowed to say is that you work there. At least in the states anyway. The only people who are able to know what you make are your current employer, the IRS and your spouse. Everyone else has to go by what you tell them.
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Great minds think alike!
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Isn't it humorous how some people have absolutely no sense of humor?
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When I talk with recruiters, because I'm still employed, one of the first questions I am asked is "Why are you looking to leave your company?" ... well, money is the truth. I'm significantly underpaid (by tens of $k compared to co-workers of same or lesser roles) and looking for the pay raise that my managers have been failing to deliver for years (despite promises otherwise). My experiences so far have told me that recruiters don't like the truth. They aren't looking to help me get a raise. I've switched to just saying that I don't want to bash my current company and giving a false number when asked my current salary. That response is typically accepted and recruiters don't prod much beyond that, if at all. But I still don't like it. I really like honesty, but it seems like I have to lie about a number of aspects to actually be considered for positions. Thoughts?
CodeAddiction wrote:
compared to co-workers of same or lesser roles
They tell you the truth? Do you? "Don't ask; don't tell."
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CodeAddiction wrote:
compared to co-workers of same or lesser roles
They tell you the truth? Do you? "Don't ask; don't tell."
It's not hard to figure out where people are at based on spending habits and other things. Certainly when the disparity is as large as it is. Nobody has ever told me an actual number as to where their own salary is, but i know the range where everyone else is at. Plus, I helped a friend who is 23 and had no prior experience, degree or training get hired where I work. He was hired at a rate that is significantly above me (although contract and not perm). I helped him negotiate what to ask for ... and they took the first number he put down. That's another strong indicator, lol. I'm glad for him though, and he's working out great. ;)
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When I talk with recruiters, because I'm still employed, one of the first questions I am asked is "Why are you looking to leave your company?" ... well, money is the truth. I'm significantly underpaid (by tens of $k compared to co-workers of same or lesser roles) and looking for the pay raise that my managers have been failing to deliver for years (despite promises otherwise). My experiences so far have told me that recruiters don't like the truth. They aren't looking to help me get a raise. I've switched to just saying that I don't want to bash my current company and giving a false number when asked my current salary. That response is typically accepted and recruiters don't prod much beyond that, if at all. But I still don't like it. I really like honesty, but it seems like I have to lie about a number of aspects to actually be considered for positions. Thoughts?
Money is not always an answer though. Working with a good team, where your skills matter and you ideas are valued, can make for a much richer work experience than just for money. You can have a great paying job and hate every minute you are there and never have a chance to grow. Just my 7.5 cents worth ;)
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CodeAddiction wrote:
Thoughts?
Several. Naked women, my current project, what will I have for dinner?, naked women, I need to get a more comfortable chair, I wish I can afford a ferrari, naked women...
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Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:
Naked women, my current project, what will I have for dinner?, naked women, I need to get a more comfortable chair, I wish I can afford a ferrari, naked women...
If this isn't a proof as to why married life sucks, I don't know what it...
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Money is not always an answer though. Working with a good team, where your skills matter and you ideas are valued, can make for a much richer work experience than just for money. You can have a great paying job and hate every minute you are there and never have a chance to grow. Just my 7.5 cents worth ;)
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Inflation?
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Isn't it humorous how some people have absolutely no sense of humor?
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Yeah, welcome to our PC world. Bunch of fuckwits, frankly.
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Inflation?
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He probably just gets paid better. The hypocrite!
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Um... they aren't ALLOWED to check. If they happen to contact your current employer all your current employer is allowed to say is that you work there. At least in the states anyway. The only people who are able to know what you make are your current employer, the IRS and your spouse. Everyone else has to go by what you tell them.
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When I talk with recruiters, because I'm still employed, one of the first questions I am asked is "Why are you looking to leave your company?" ... well, money is the truth. I'm significantly underpaid (by tens of $k compared to co-workers of same or lesser roles) and looking for the pay raise that my managers have been failing to deliver for years (despite promises otherwise). My experiences so far have told me that recruiters don't like the truth. They aren't looking to help me get a raise. I've switched to just saying that I don't want to bash my current company and giving a false number when asked my current salary. That response is typically accepted and recruiters don't prod much beyond that, if at all. But I still don't like it. I really like honesty, but it seems like I have to lie about a number of aspects to actually be considered for positions. Thoughts?
I work with a few of very good recruiters. They don't care why you're switching as long as they get their commission (and I've done that for a few.)
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Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:
Naked women, my current project, what will I have for dinner?, naked women, I need to get a more comfortable chair, I wish I can afford a ferrari, naked women...
If this isn't a proof as to why married life sucks, I don't know what it...
JazzJackRabbit wrote:
If this isn't a proof as to why married life sucks, I don't know what it...
I fail to see your reasoning.
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