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  • R Rob Graham

    It comes up in the top two for me when I search on "open office" or "openoffice". What terms are you using?

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    Shog9 0
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    Are you sure? I get the openoffice.org wikipedia page, and the openoffice.org page on sun.com, followed by a sketchy parked site at openoffice_.com_... (latter search only)

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    • T ToddHileHoffer

      How come Bing will not return a link to http://www.openoffice.org/ no matter what you search for?

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      R Giskard Reventlov
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      Bing[^] No problem: first hit.

      me, me, me "The dinosaurs became extinct because they didn't have a space program. And if we become extinct because we don't have a space program, it'll serve us right!" Larry Niven

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        Bing[^] No problem: first hit.

        me, me, me "The dinosaurs became extinct because they didn't have a space program. And if we become extinct because we don't have a space program, it'll serve us right!" Larry Niven

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        I see wikipedia... :~

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          I see wikipedia... :~

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          Dan Neely
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          Same here, along with a bunch of 3rd party sites whose urls flunk the smell check.

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            I see wikipedia... :~

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            R Giskard Reventlov
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            This is what I see (image on skydrive - work safe but slow): BIng and OPen Office[^]

            me, me, me "The dinosaurs became extinct because they didn't have a space program. And if we become extinct because we don't have a space program, it'll serve us right!" Larry Niven

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            • R Rob Graham

              It comes up in the top two for me when I search on "open office" or "openoffice". What terms are you using?

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              ToddHileHoffer
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              Double Check your links.

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                Are you sure? I get the openoffice.org wikipedia page, and the openoffice.org page on sun.com, followed by a sketchy parked site at openoffice_.com_... (latter search only)

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                Mustafa Ismail Mustafa
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                ditto, no links to openoffice.org

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                  That is strange though. It even manages to find pages on subdomains, while completely ignoring the front page. Meanwhile, Google pulls the whole menu straight into search results. :~

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                  ToddHileHoffer
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                  I didn't say it was malice. I just asked the question.

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                  • R R Giskard Reventlov

                    This is what I see (image on skydrive - work safe but slow): BIng and OPen Office[^]

                    me, me, me "The dinosaurs became extinct because they didn't have a space program. And if we become extinct because we don't have a space program, it'll serve us right!" Larry Niven

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                    ToddHileHoffer
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                    Yes, it says OpenOffice.org but click the link. You can't get to the homepage from Bing.

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                    • R R Giskard Reventlov

                      This is what I see (image on skydrive - work safe but slow): BIng and OPen Office[^]

                      me, me, me "The dinosaurs became extinct because they didn't have a space program. And if we become extinct because we don't have a space program, it'll serve us right!" Larry Niven

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                      That's a link to "www.freebase.com", a site I'm not terribly familiar with but which appears to be a wiki-thing. (Followed by the link to wikipedia).

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                      • T ToddHileHoffer

                        How come Bing will not return a link to http://www.openoffice.org/ no matter what you search for?

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                        Maximilien
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                        surprisingly, it works as expected. (Binged "Open Office" from Canada).

                        Watched code never compiles.

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                        • T ToddHileHoffer

                          How come Bing will not return a link to http://www.openoffice.org/ no matter what you search for?

                          I didn't get any requirements for the signature

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                          I get this link h://openoffice.org-suite.com/index.asp?aff=101&camp=gg_oo_us&se=google[^] As 3rd result from searching open office (with space, no quotes, with "Only English" turned on) I'm not yet sure what to think about this though edit: broken the link

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                            I get this link h://openoffice.org-suite.com/index.asp?aff=101&camp=gg_oo_us&se=google[^] As 3rd result from searching open office (with space, no quotes, with "Only English" turned on) I'm not yet sure what to think about this though edit: broken the link

                            modified on Monday, March 29, 2010 1:59 PM

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                            ToddHileHoffer
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                            Close. But why won't bing return a link to the homepage.

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                            • T ToddHileHoffer

                              How come Bing will not return a link to http://www.openoffice.org/ no matter what you search for?

                              I didn't get any requirements for the signature

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                              Ian Shlasko
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                              I have to vote in favor of the "censorship" theory... Even if you go into their advanced search, and specify that it should ONLY return results from openoffice.org, it STILL won't return the simple home page... Only subdomains... See here: http://www.bing.com/search?q=openoffice.org+site%3Aopenoffice.org&form=QBRE&qb=2[^]

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                              • T ToddHileHoffer

                                Yes, it says OpenOffice.org but click the link. You can't get to the homepage from Bing.

                                I didn't get any requirements for the signature

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                                R Giskard Reventlov
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                                Click on the first link that says: OpenOffice Suite Free and you're on the OpenOffice site.

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                                  I get this link h://openoffice.org-suite.com/index.asp?aff=101&camp=gg_oo_us&se=google[^] As 3rd result from searching open office (with space, no quotes, with "Only English" turned on) I'm not yet sure what to think about this though edit: broken the link

                                  modified on Monday, March 29, 2010 1:59 PM

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                                  Asks for an email before letting you download... Goes on about some sort of "membership"... sounds mighty sketchy (given that the openoffice.org site takes you directly to the download).

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                                    Asks for an email before letting you download... Goes on about some sort of "membership"... sounds mighty sketchy (given that the openoffice.org site takes you directly to the download).

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                                    And they're called org-suite.com.. Further investigation revealed that they ask payment for OpenOffice, and even that no legal action can be brought against such obvious assholes who deserve nothing better than to be slowly dismembered and then to be kept artificially alive, so Open Source people and sadists can put out burning cigarettes on the holes where their limbs used to be, every day. I know that wasn't bad enough.. I'm not really in a creative mood right now

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                                    • I Ian Shlasko

                                      I have to vote in favor of the "censorship" theory... Even if you go into their advanced search, and specify that it should ONLY return results from openoffice.org, it STILL won't return the simple home page... Only subdomains... See here: http://www.bing.com/search?q=openoffice.org+site%3Aopenoffice.org&form=QBRE&qb=2[^]

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                                      ToddHileHoffer
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                                      If it is censorship, that is very scary and we should use google instead.

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                                      • T ToddHileHoffer

                                        If it is censorship, that is very scary and we should use google instead.

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                                        Mustafa Ismail Mustafa
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                                        Todd, honestly, who in his or her right mind would use Bing willingly other for the sound effect caused by the name? I mean, really!

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                                        • T ToddHileHoffer

                                          How come Bing will not return a link to http://www.openoffice.org/ no matter what you search for?

                                          I didn't get any requirements for the signature

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                                          Joe Woodbury
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                                          I'm going to guess that it's simply an artifact of how Bing aggregates search data. There is a possibility that Google would be the same except the Open Office people have paid Google to have it show as first hit or the Open Office engineers have gamed the page to force Google to display it first. What's interesting is how so few pages get indexed on Google before you get to similar results as in Bing. This leads to a further theory that Bing was specifically programmed to ignore the common techniques used to game Google. Finally, note that one of the early hits takes you to a Sun, now Oracle, site. Is it possible that Oracle itself is manipulating search hits in order to direct them into their domain and that, in fact, it's Google that's artificially adjusting the search results? (Not altruistically, but to get Oracle to pony up some money? And please, don't say that Google wouldn't do this, it's exactly what they did just a few years ago.)

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