Censorship or Bing's poor search algorithm
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This is what I see (image on skydrive - work safe but slow): BIng and OPen Office[^]
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It comes up in the top two for me when I search on "open office" or "openoffice". What terms are you using?
Double Check your links.
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Are you sure? I get the openoffice.org wikipedia page, and the openoffice.org page on sun.com, followed by a sketchy parked site at openoffice_.com_... (latter search only)
ditto, no links to openoffice.org
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That is strange though. It even manages to find pages on subdomains, while completely ignoring the front page. Meanwhile, Google pulls the whole menu straight into search results. :~
I didn't say it was malice. I just asked the question.
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This is what I see (image on skydrive - work safe but slow): BIng and OPen Office[^]
me, me, me "The dinosaurs became extinct because they didn't have a space program. And if we become extinct because we don't have a space program, it'll serve us right!" Larry Niven
That's a link to "www.freebase.com", a site I'm not terribly familiar with but which appears to be a wiki-thing. (Followed by the link to wikipedia).
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This is what I see (image on skydrive - work safe but slow): BIng and OPen Office[^]
me, me, me "The dinosaurs became extinct because they didn't have a space program. And if we become extinct because we don't have a space program, it'll serve us right!" Larry Niven
Yes, it says OpenOffice.org but click the link. You can't get to the homepage from Bing.
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How come Bing will not return a link to http://www.openoffice.org/ no matter what you search for?
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surprisingly, it works as expected. (Binged "Open Office" from Canada).
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How come Bing will not return a link to http://www.openoffice.org/ no matter what you search for?
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I get this link h://openoffice.org-suite.com/index.asp?aff=101&camp=gg_oo_us&se=google[^] As 3rd result from searching open office (with space, no quotes, with "Only English" turned on) I'm not yet sure what to think about this though edit: broken the link
modified on Monday, March 29, 2010 1:59 PM
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I get this link h://openoffice.org-suite.com/index.asp?aff=101&camp=gg_oo_us&se=google[^] As 3rd result from searching open office (with space, no quotes, with "Only English" turned on) I'm not yet sure what to think about this though edit: broken the link
modified on Monday, March 29, 2010 1:59 PM
Close. But why won't bing return a link to the homepage.
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How come Bing will not return a link to http://www.openoffice.org/ no matter what you search for?
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I have to vote in favor of the "censorship" theory... Even if you go into their advanced search, and specify that it should ONLY return results from openoffice.org, it STILL won't return the simple home page... Only subdomains... See here: http://www.bing.com/search?q=openoffice.org+site%3Aopenoffice.org&form=QBRE&qb=2[^]
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Yes, it says OpenOffice.org but click the link. You can't get to the homepage from Bing.
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Click on the first link that says: OpenOffice Suite Free and you're on the OpenOffice site.
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I get this link h://openoffice.org-suite.com/index.asp?aff=101&camp=gg_oo_us&se=google[^] As 3rd result from searching open office (with space, no quotes, with "Only English" turned on) I'm not yet sure what to think about this though edit: broken the link
modified on Monday, March 29, 2010 1:59 PM
Asks for an email before letting you download... Goes on about some sort of "membership"... sounds mighty sketchy (given that the openoffice.org site takes you directly to the download).
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Asks for an email before letting you download... Goes on about some sort of "membership"... sounds mighty sketchy (given that the openoffice.org site takes you directly to the download).
And they're called org-suite.com.. Further investigation revealed that they ask payment for OpenOffice, and even that no legal action can be brought against such obvious assholes who deserve nothing better than to be slowly dismembered and then to be kept artificially alive, so Open Source people and sadists can put out burning cigarettes on the holes where their limbs used to be, every day. I know that wasn't bad enough.. I'm not really in a creative mood right now
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I have to vote in favor of the "censorship" theory... Even if you go into their advanced search, and specify that it should ONLY return results from openoffice.org, it STILL won't return the simple home page... Only subdomains... See here: http://www.bing.com/search?q=openoffice.org+site%3Aopenoffice.org&form=QBRE&qb=2[^]
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Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)If it is censorship, that is very scary and we should use google instead.
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How come Bing will not return a link to http://www.openoffice.org/ no matter what you search for?
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I'm going to guess that it's simply an artifact of how Bing aggregates search data. There is a possibility that Google would be the same except the Open Office people have paid Google to have it show as first hit or the Open Office engineers have gamed the page to force Google to display it first. What's interesting is how so few pages get indexed on Google before you get to similar results as in Bing. This leads to a further theory that Bing was specifically programmed to ignore the common techniques used to game Google. Finally, note that one of the early hits takes you to a Sun, now Oracle, site. Is it possible that Oracle itself is manipulating search hits in order to direct them into their domain and that, in fact, it's Google that's artificially adjusting the search results? (Not altruistically, but to get Oracle to pony up some money? And please, don't say that Google wouldn't do this, it's exactly what they did just a few years ago.)
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If it is censorship, that is very scary and we should use google instead.
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Todd, honestly, who in his or her right mind would use Bing willingly other for the sound effect caused by the name? I mean, really!
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Are you sure? I get the openoffice.org wikipedia page, and the openoffice.org page on sun.com, followed by a sketchy parked site at openoffice_.com_... (latter search only)
I tried the same thing and get everything OpenOffice, not just the wiki page.
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I'm going to guess that it's simply an artifact of how Bing aggregates search data. There is a possibility that Google would be the same except the Open Office people have paid Google to have it show as first hit or the Open Office engineers have gamed the page to force Google to display it first. What's interesting is how so few pages get indexed on Google before you get to similar results as in Bing. This leads to a further theory that Bing was specifically programmed to ignore the common techniques used to game Google. Finally, note that one of the early hits takes you to a Sun, now Oracle, site. Is it possible that Oracle itself is manipulating search hits in order to direct them into their domain and that, in fact, it's Google that's artificially adjusting the search results? (Not altruistically, but to get Oracle to pony up some money? And please, don't say that Google wouldn't do this, it's exactly what they did just a few years ago.)
But look at my previous reply above... Even if you restrict the search to the openoffice.org domain, it only shows you subdomains... That, to me, says there's something fishy going on. Hmm... Now I want sushi.
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But look at my previous reply above... Even if you restrict the search to the openoffice.org domain, it only shows you subdomains... That, to me, says there's something fishy going on. Hmm... Now I want sushi.
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Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)I really don't think so. I do think this is an artifact of how keywords are aggregated. I further suspect Oracle wants to dump the openoffice.org domain as a stand-alone entity and redirect traffic into it's own more clearly branded site. (I have no problem with this; Oracle is a business that wants to make money, Open Office is now their baby; have at it.) One important point you seem to be missing is that all the hits on Bing do lead a person to be able to download open office and the link into Oracle's site is arguably more useful than the home page for openoffice.org. (Note that the latter link is labeled OpenOffice.org. Oracle is clearly doing some branding here. And trying to sell StarOffice. In fact the more I look at this, the more I'm convinced that this is Oracle's doing, not Bing's and that Google is manipulating their results and forcing the openoffice.org home page to be the top result.)
