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  • M Maximilien

    surprisingly, it works as expected. (Binged "Open Office" from Canada).

    Watched code never compiles.

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    Jim O C
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    Binging it from Ireland gets everything BUT the openoffice.org website.

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    • T ToddHileHoffer

      How come Bing will not return a link to http://www.openoffice.org/ no matter what you search for?

      I didn't get any requirements for the signature

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      The Kings Servant
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      I am in favour of the censorship answer for if I search for "south florida church" I get, as expected, in both Bing and Google, "http://southfloridachurch.org/" as the first result. But when I search bing for "openoffice.org" I still do not get "http://openoffice.org/" !?! I thought to myself, "what would happen if I searched for 'blogger' or 'orkut' on Bing?" "Blogger" did not return 'http://www.blogger.com/' nor did "orcut" return 'http://www.orkut.com/' (except in the sponsored link) on Bing. (I did get 'http://www.orkut.com/main' but I could not get the root back in a search result). I call that censorship. Just for giggles, I also searched Bing for "google" and Google for "bing" and got my giggles. CONCLUSION: Bing is not a search engine. It is a Microsoft marketing tool and propaganda engine.

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      • T ToddHileHoffer

        How come Bing will not return a link to http://www.openoffice.org/ no matter what you search for?

        I didn't get any requirements for the signature

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        MiddleTommy
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        just use go-oo.org any way

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        • T The Kings Servant

          I am in favour of the censorship answer for if I search for "south florida church" I get, as expected, in both Bing and Google, "http://southfloridachurch.org/" as the first result. But when I search bing for "openoffice.org" I still do not get "http://openoffice.org/" !?! I thought to myself, "what would happen if I searched for 'blogger' or 'orkut' on Bing?" "Blogger" did not return 'http://www.blogger.com/' nor did "orcut" return 'http://www.orkut.com/' (except in the sponsored link) on Bing. (I did get 'http://www.orkut.com/main' but I could not get the root back in a search result). I call that censorship. Just for giggles, I also searched Bing for "google" and Google for "bing" and got my giggles. CONCLUSION: Bing is not a search engine. It is a Microsoft marketing tool and propaganda engine.

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          ToddHileHoffer
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          MS sucks today.

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          • T ToddHileHoffer

            How come Bing will not return a link to http://www.openoffice.org/ no matter what you search for?

            I didn't get any requirements for the signature

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            Jason Christian
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            Search on "OpenOffice website" gave me a link to website.openoffice.org. Tried other searches and got the same crap everyone else noticed. Nice that they give you a link to openoffice.com ad site, but not the actual homepage.

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            • R R Giskard Reventlov

              Click on the first link that says: OpenOffice Suite Free and you're on the OpenOffice site.

              me, me, me "The dinosaurs became extinct because they didn't have a space program. And if we become extinct because we don't have a space program, it'll serve us right!" Larry Niven

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              earnshae
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              http://es.openoffice.org/?intcmp=1480 Is in the list this is the spanish site... A and yet a direct query of "openoffice.org" returns no direct link...

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              • T ToddHileHoffer

                How come Bing will not return a link to http://www.openoffice.org/ no matter what you search for?

                I didn't get any requirements for the signature

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                Lance Milleson
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                It appears to be the third option no one considered... http://searchengineland.com/openofficeorg-mia-in-bing-but-not-censorship-39004 [^]

                modified on Tuesday, March 30, 2010 4:27 PM

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                • B BC3Tech

                  no, you're at http://office-suite2010.com/ver1a/index.php?source=CCN-CD277-MSN6127US2-openoffice&msnid=SAPHIE1[^]

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                  Billy T
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                  Well, my search for open office returns openoffice.org.nz as the first result (yes I'm in NZ), then a bunch of pages on the openoffice.org domain. Oh yes then the wiki page (as hosted by bing) My guess is that bing has some personalisation in the search algorithm and has decided that you don't deserve to get served up the openoffice.org site...

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                  • R Rob Graham

                    It comes up in the top two for me when I search on "open office" or "openoffice". What terms are you using?

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                    CreepinJesus
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                    Bing from Australia - I get openoffice.org.au as the first result for "openoffice".

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                    • C CreepinJesus

                      Bing from Australia - I get openoffice.org.au as the first result for "openoffice".

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                      Tim Yen
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                      yep fine for me too in australia

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                      • D Dave Kreskowiak

                        I tried the same thing and get everything OpenOffice, not just the wiki page.

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                        From Ireland and Bing.com openoffice.org gives: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenOffice.org wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Main_Page java.com/en/about/openoffice.jsp as the top three results and no openoffice.org. Tried many things. No results.

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                        • T ToddHileHoffer

                          How come Bing will not return a link to http://www.openoffice.org/ no matter what you search for?

                          I didn't get any requirements for the signature

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                          werD
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                          I think the crawler got bugged. I just did a search for site:www.openoffice.org the first two pages look strange.. but page 3,4 and 5 are definitely bugged.. oh and bill gates probably deleted it too http://www.bing.com/search?q=site%3Awww.openoffice.org&first=1&FORM=PERE[^]

                          DrewG MCSD .Net

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                          • L Lance Milleson

                            It appears to be the third option no one considered... http://searchengineland.com/openofficeorg-mia-in-bing-but-not-censorship-39004 [^]

                            modified on Tuesday, March 30, 2010 4:27 PM

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                            The Kings Servant
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                            Except that it is written:

                            Sometimes this happens when the host notices overactive crawling from particular bots and blocks them. This is always something that a site owner who uses shared hosting should watch out for....

                            How is it the site owners problem when a search engine's bot is "overactive"? If the problem is not censorship, it is the poor search algorithm which keeps searching the same root page and yet is not "overactive" on the non-root pages. Unless the bot visits the root and then the first link, goes back to the root then the second link, then back to the root.... Hence, every non-root page gets visited once but the root page gets as many visits as there are links from it and eventually, the bot gets blocked from the root page for "overactivity" but exactly whose fault is that? A smart bot would visit the home page once, get all the links and follow them once and remember where it came from and will not follow a link back to the home page. I blame the search bot! It happens for Microsoft also. No root page. :-D

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                            • T ToddHileHoffer

                              How come Bing will not return a link to http://www.openoffice.org/ no matter what you search for?

                              I didn't get any requirements for the signature

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                              cwp42
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                              I can't agree - I found this: www.whydata.de/cwp42/Bing-Open-Office1.JPG

                              cwp42

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                              • T ToddHileHoffer

                                How come Bing will not return a link to http://www.openoffice.org/ no matter what you search for?

                                I didn't get any requirements for the signature

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                                FireFly_74
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                                www.openoffice.org - if I type it into the address bar, has been sitting "loading" for about two minutes. I'd say there is a problem with the site. If Bing has recently tried to index the site and got nothing back, then you can't blame bing for removing it from the index.

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                                • F FireFly_74

                                  www.openoffice.org - if I type it into the address bar, has been sitting "loading" for about two minutes. I'd say there is a problem with the site. If Bing has recently tried to index the site and got nothing back, then you can't blame bing for removing it from the index.

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                                  ToddHileHoffer
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                                  True but the site was working fine and it is working fine now. I'm not sure that was the issue.

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                                  • T ToddHileHoffer

                                    True but the site was working fine and it is working fine now. I'm not sure that was the issue.

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                                    FireFly_74
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                                    Bit strange, it's still not working for me. Firefox (or IE) just hangs with "Waiting..."

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                                    • T ToddHileHoffer

                                      How come Bing will not return a link to http://www.openoffice.org/ no matter what you search for?

                                      I didn't get any requirements for the signature

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                                      mrchief_2000
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                                      It's there, just at the bottom. :)

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