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  • I Ian Shlasko

    But look at my previous reply above... Even if you restrict the search to the openoffice.org domain, it only shows you subdomains... That, to me, says there's something fishy going on. Hmm... Now I want sushi.

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    Joe Woodbury
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    I really don't think so. I do think this is an artifact of how keywords are aggregated. I further suspect Oracle wants to dump the openoffice.org domain as a stand-alone entity and redirect traffic into it's own more clearly branded site. (I have no problem with this; Oracle is a business that wants to make money, Open Office is now their baby; have at it.) One important point you seem to be missing is that all the hits on Bing do lead a person to be able to download open office and the link into Oracle's site is arguably more useful than the home page for openoffice.org. (Note that the latter link is labeled OpenOffice.org. Oracle is clearly doing some branding here. And trying to sell StarOffice. In fact the more I look at this, the more I'm convinced that this is Oracle's doing, not Bing's and that Google is manipulating their results and forcing the openoffice.org home page to be the top result.)

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    • T ToddHileHoffer

      How come Bing will not return a link to http://www.openoffice.org/ no matter what you search for?

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      Lost User
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      When I type in Open Office, I get "Were you looking for: openoffice" which, when clicked, has openoffice.org as the second result (the first being the Wikipedia page for it). Cheers, Drew.

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        When I type in Open Office, I get "Were you looking for: openoffice" which, when clicked, has openoffice.org as the second result (the first being the Wikipedia page for it). Cheers, Drew.

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        ToddHileHoffer
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        The link openoffice.org does not go to openoffice.org though. Try it.

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        • T ToddHileHoffer

          How come Bing will not return a link to http://www.openoffice.org/ no matter what you search for?

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          tec goblin
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          I don't get exactly that, but I get many results within openoffice(scripts.openoffice) or with direct links (sun open office).

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          • T ToddHileHoffer

            How come Bing will not return a link to http://www.openoffice.org/ no matter what you search for?

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            Fabio Franco
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            openoffice.org won't show on mine either. The first results are the broffice.org, which is the brazilian version of open office. But no sign of openoffice.org On google I get almost the same results, except openoffice.org shows up in sixth place. Weird indeed.

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            • R R Giskard Reventlov

              Click on the first link that says: OpenOffice Suite Free and you're on the OpenOffice site.

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              BC3Tech
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              no, you're at http://office-suite2010.com/ver1a/index.php?source=CCN-CD277-MSN6127US2-openoffice&msnid=SAPHIE1[^]

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              • M Maximilien

                surprisingly, it works as expected. (Binged "Open Office" from Canada).

                Watched code never compiles.

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                Jim O C
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                Binging it from Ireland gets everything BUT the openoffice.org website.

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                • T ToddHileHoffer

                  How come Bing will not return a link to http://www.openoffice.org/ no matter what you search for?

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                  The Kings Servant
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                  I am in favour of the censorship answer for if I search for "south florida church" I get, as expected, in both Bing and Google, "http://southfloridachurch.org/" as the first result. But when I search bing for "openoffice.org" I still do not get "http://openoffice.org/" !?! I thought to myself, "what would happen if I searched for 'blogger' or 'orkut' on Bing?" "Blogger" did not return 'http://www.blogger.com/' nor did "orcut" return 'http://www.orkut.com/' (except in the sponsored link) on Bing. (I did get 'http://www.orkut.com/main' but I could not get the root back in a search result). I call that censorship. Just for giggles, I also searched Bing for "google" and Google for "bing" and got my giggles. CONCLUSION: Bing is not a search engine. It is a Microsoft marketing tool and propaganda engine.

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                  • T ToddHileHoffer

                    How come Bing will not return a link to http://www.openoffice.org/ no matter what you search for?

                    I didn't get any requirements for the signature

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                    MiddleTommy
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                    just use go-oo.org any way

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                    • T The Kings Servant

                      I am in favour of the censorship answer for if I search for "south florida church" I get, as expected, in both Bing and Google, "http://southfloridachurch.org/" as the first result. But when I search bing for "openoffice.org" I still do not get "http://openoffice.org/" !?! I thought to myself, "what would happen if I searched for 'blogger' or 'orkut' on Bing?" "Blogger" did not return 'http://www.blogger.com/' nor did "orcut" return 'http://www.orkut.com/' (except in the sponsored link) on Bing. (I did get 'http://www.orkut.com/main' but I could not get the root back in a search result). I call that censorship. Just for giggles, I also searched Bing for "google" and Google for "bing" and got my giggles. CONCLUSION: Bing is not a search engine. It is a Microsoft marketing tool and propaganda engine.

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                      MS sucks today.

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                      • T ToddHileHoffer

                        How come Bing will not return a link to http://www.openoffice.org/ no matter what you search for?

                        I didn't get any requirements for the signature

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                        Jason Christian
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                        Search on "OpenOffice website" gave me a link to website.openoffice.org. Tried other searches and got the same crap everyone else noticed. Nice that they give you a link to openoffice.com ad site, but not the actual homepage.

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                        • R R Giskard Reventlov

                          Click on the first link that says: OpenOffice Suite Free and you're on the OpenOffice site.

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                          earnshae
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                          http://es.openoffice.org/?intcmp=1480 Is in the list this is the spanish site... A and yet a direct query of "openoffice.org" returns no direct link...

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                          • T ToddHileHoffer

                            How come Bing will not return a link to http://www.openoffice.org/ no matter what you search for?

                            I didn't get any requirements for the signature

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                            Lance Milleson
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                            It appears to be the third option no one considered... http://searchengineland.com/openofficeorg-mia-in-bing-but-not-censorship-39004 [^]

                            modified on Tuesday, March 30, 2010 4:27 PM

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                            • B BC3Tech

                              no, you're at http://office-suite2010.com/ver1a/index.php?source=CCN-CD277-MSN6127US2-openoffice&msnid=SAPHIE1[^]

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                              Billy T
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                              Well, my search for open office returns openoffice.org.nz as the first result (yes I'm in NZ), then a bunch of pages on the openoffice.org domain. Oh yes then the wiki page (as hosted by bing) My guess is that bing has some personalisation in the search algorithm and has decided that you don't deserve to get served up the openoffice.org site...

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                              • R Rob Graham

                                It comes up in the top two for me when I search on "open office" or "openoffice". What terms are you using?

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                                CreepinJesus
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                                Bing from Australia - I get openoffice.org.au as the first result for "openoffice".

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                                • C CreepinJesus

                                  Bing from Australia - I get openoffice.org.au as the first result for "openoffice".

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                                  Tim Yen
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                                  yep fine for me too in australia

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                                  • D Dave Kreskowiak

                                    I tried the same thing and get everything OpenOffice, not just the wiki page.

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                                    From Ireland and Bing.com openoffice.org gives: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenOffice.org wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Main_Page java.com/en/about/openoffice.jsp as the top three results and no openoffice.org. Tried many things. No results.

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                                    • T ToddHileHoffer

                                      How come Bing will not return a link to http://www.openoffice.org/ no matter what you search for?

                                      I didn't get any requirements for the signature

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                                      I think the crawler got bugged. I just did a search for site:www.openoffice.org the first two pages look strange.. but page 3,4 and 5 are definitely bugged.. oh and bill gates probably deleted it too http://www.bing.com/search?q=site%3Awww.openoffice.org&first=1&FORM=PERE[^]

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                                      • L Lance Milleson

                                        It appears to be the third option no one considered... http://searchengineland.com/openofficeorg-mia-in-bing-but-not-censorship-39004 [^]

                                        modified on Tuesday, March 30, 2010 4:27 PM

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                                        The Kings Servant
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                                        Except that it is written:

                                        Sometimes this happens when the host notices overactive crawling from particular bots and blocks them. This is always something that a site owner who uses shared hosting should watch out for....

                                        How is it the site owners problem when a search engine's bot is "overactive"? If the problem is not censorship, it is the poor search algorithm which keeps searching the same root page and yet is not "overactive" on the non-root pages. Unless the bot visits the root and then the first link, goes back to the root then the second link, then back to the root.... Hence, every non-root page gets visited once but the root page gets as many visits as there are links from it and eventually, the bot gets blocked from the root page for "overactivity" but exactly whose fault is that? A smart bot would visit the home page once, get all the links and follow them once and remember where it came from and will not follow a link back to the home page. I blame the search bot! It happens for Microsoft also. No root page. :-D

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                                        • T ToddHileHoffer

                                          How come Bing will not return a link to http://www.openoffice.org/ no matter what you search for?

                                          I didn't get any requirements for the signature

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                                          cwp42
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                                          I can't agree - I found this: www.whydata.de/cwp42/Bing-Open-Office1.JPG

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