Your Degrees
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Hello, fellow Projecteers. I've been lurking on here some time now and I think this is the best place to ask my question. I graduated last June and started working a couple of months later. I'm working 4-5 months now as a Dynamics NAV (a.k.a. Navision) developer. Got hired to work out a .NET project, but two weeks into the job my boss says to drop it because it's too expensive for me to work out. He gives me several NAV assignments and wants me to specialize in NAV. Personally, I hate NAV. It's old, it's clunky, it won't work without a dozen hacks, the development language (C/AL) is limited and frustrating (I'm used to C# from school and personal projects). Now I'm looking for another job, but every interesting job I encounter asks for a masters degree or experience as a programmer. My question to you: What is your degree? What do you do / did you do as a programmer? How did you get to this point in your career? Do you think it's worth to obtain a masters degree?
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Hello, fellow Projecteers. I've been lurking on here some time now and I think this is the best place to ask my question. I graduated last June and started working a couple of months later. I'm working 4-5 months now as a Dynamics NAV (a.k.a. Navision) developer. Got hired to work out a .NET project, but two weeks into the job my boss says to drop it because it's too expensive for me to work out. He gives me several NAV assignments and wants me to specialize in NAV. Personally, I hate NAV. It's old, it's clunky, it won't work without a dozen hacks, the development language (C/AL) is limited and frustrating (I'm used to C# from school and personal projects). Now I'm looking for another job, but every interesting job I encounter asks for a masters degree or experience as a programmer. My question to you: What is your degree? What do you do / did you do as a programmer? How did you get to this point in your career? Do you think it's worth to obtain a masters degree?
KenBonny wrote:
Now I'm looking for another job...
What this would say to me as an employer is that when things get rough or don't go your way, you leave rather than try and work through them. If after a year things don't improve, then I think you'd be justified in leaving.
KenBonny wrote:
What is your degree?
All are in computer science.
KenBonny wrote:
Do you think it's worth to obtain a masters degree?
It all depends on your reason. I earned mine for myself not an employer. My current employer does not even know I have it.
KenBonny wrote:
How did you get to this point in your career?
Time. I also considered everything asked of me to be a learning experience, regardless of the tool used.
"One man's wage rise is another man's price increase." - Harold Wilson
"Fireproof doesn't mean the fire will never come. It means when the fire comes that you will be able to withstand it." - Michael Simmons
"Man who follows car will be exhausted." - Confucius
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KenBonny wrote:
Now I'm looking for another job...
What this would say to me as an employer is that when things get rough or don't go your way, you leave rather than try and work through them. If after a year things don't improve, then I think you'd be justified in leaving.
KenBonny wrote:
What is your degree?
All are in computer science.
KenBonny wrote:
Do you think it's worth to obtain a masters degree?
It all depends on your reason. I earned mine for myself not an employer. My current employer does not even know I have it.
KenBonny wrote:
How did you get to this point in your career?
Time. I also considered everything asked of me to be a learning experience, regardless of the tool used.
"One man's wage rise is another man's price increase." - Harold Wilson
"Fireproof doesn't mean the fire will never come. It means when the fire comes that you will be able to withstand it." - Michael Simmons
"Man who follows car will be exhausted." - Confucius
DavidCrow wrote:
What this would say to me as an employer is that when things get rough or don't go your way, you leave.
He said he was hired as a .NET developer... If he was told from the start that it was a .NET position, and they suddenly throw him a curve ball and stick him with something completely different, I think that's justification for looking elsewhere. At best, the employer just didn't know what they wanted. At worst, it was a bait-and-switch.
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Hello, fellow Projecteers. I've been lurking on here some time now and I think this is the best place to ask my question. I graduated last June and started working a couple of months later. I'm working 4-5 months now as a Dynamics NAV (a.k.a. Navision) developer. Got hired to work out a .NET project, but two weeks into the job my boss says to drop it because it's too expensive for me to work out. He gives me several NAV assignments and wants me to specialize in NAV. Personally, I hate NAV. It's old, it's clunky, it won't work without a dozen hacks, the development language (C/AL) is limited and frustrating (I'm used to C# from school and personal projects). Now I'm looking for another job, but every interesting job I encounter asks for a masters degree or experience as a programmer. My question to you: What is your degree? What do you do / did you do as a programmer? How did you get to this point in your career? Do you think it's worth to obtain a masters degree?
This has been discussed *many* times here before, if you do a search you'll find huge discussions on this in the past. If I recall correctly, about half of us think computer science degrees are a joke, the other half think they are essential. You have to ask yourself if you're the sort of person that is fascinated by the technology and tools themselves or more interested in what can be done with them. The people that like to GET THINGS DONE in the real world and don't care too much which tool they use and are not the sort of people who code for fun in their spare time tend to be the practical people that are running their own businesses or have a lot of freedom and independence in their job and very few of them have a degree or if they do see any real value in it in the real world. If, for you, the technology is what is bumming you out about your current job rather than the actual work itself, then it sounds like you fall on the ivory tower side of things in which case by all means go and get your master's degree as I'm sure there is a cubicle somewhere with your name on it just waiting for you where you can sit all day working on 1/9999th of a project in c# all day. ;)
Yesterday they said today was tomorrow but today they know better. - Poul Anderson
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KenBonny wrote:
Now I'm looking for another job...
What this would say to me as an employer is that when things get rough or don't go your way, you leave rather than try and work through them. If after a year things don't improve, then I think you'd be justified in leaving.
KenBonny wrote:
What is your degree?
All are in computer science.
KenBonny wrote:
Do you think it's worth to obtain a masters degree?
It all depends on your reason. I earned mine for myself not an employer. My current employer does not even know I have it.
KenBonny wrote:
How did you get to this point in your career?
Time. I also considered everything asked of me to be a learning experience, regardless of the tool used.
"One man's wage rise is another man's price increase." - Harold Wilson
"Fireproof doesn't mean the fire will never come. It means when the fire comes that you will be able to withstand it." - Michael Simmons
"Man who follows car will be exhausted." - Confucius
DavidCrow wrote:
What this would say to me as an employer is that when things get rough or don't go your way, you leave.
There is a different way to look at it. He signed on to do .net work. If his employer wishes to change development process/environment, the OP should be free to leave and I would never hold it against him. Of course if the OP will leave or suck it up is up to him, it's an issue of how soon he can find another .net job vs being unemployed vs staying at a job that he is not happy at. How many of you would start looking for a new job if your were suddenly made to support old VB and classic ASP projects?
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Hello, fellow Projecteers. I've been lurking on here some time now and I think this is the best place to ask my question. I graduated last June and started working a couple of months later. I'm working 4-5 months now as a Dynamics NAV (a.k.a. Navision) developer. Got hired to work out a .NET project, but two weeks into the job my boss says to drop it because it's too expensive for me to work out. He gives me several NAV assignments and wants me to specialize in NAV. Personally, I hate NAV. It's old, it's clunky, it won't work without a dozen hacks, the development language (C/AL) is limited and frustrating (I'm used to C# from school and personal projects). Now I'm looking for another job, but every interesting job I encounter asks for a masters degree or experience as a programmer. My question to you: What is your degree? What do you do / did you do as a programmer? How did you get to this point in your career? Do you think it's worth to obtain a masters degree?
KenBonny wrote:
Do you think it's worth to obtain a masters degree?
Depends on what you want to do. Define "worth"?
KenBonny wrote:
What is your degree?
Classical Music, BM & MM.
KenBonny wrote:
Personally, I hate NAV. It's old, it's clunky, it won't work without a dozen hacks, the development language (C/AL) is limited and frustrating (I'm used to C# from school and personal projects). Now I'm looking for another job, but every interesting job I encounter asks for a masters degree or experience as a programmer.
Of course it sucks. You just graduated. Everyone starts on the bottom. Welcome to Reality 101. Not to sound overly harsh or nasty, but that's the norm. My first programming job sucked, it was at an insurance company maintaining a 20+ year old compiled IBM BASIC system. It takes time to get good. Time, effort and patience.
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Hello, fellow Projecteers. I've been lurking on here some time now and I think this is the best place to ask my question. I graduated last June and started working a couple of months later. I'm working 4-5 months now as a Dynamics NAV (a.k.a. Navision) developer. Got hired to work out a .NET project, but two weeks into the job my boss says to drop it because it's too expensive for me to work out. He gives me several NAV assignments and wants me to specialize in NAV. Personally, I hate NAV. It's old, it's clunky, it won't work without a dozen hacks, the development language (C/AL) is limited and frustrating (I'm used to C# from school and personal projects). Now I'm looking for another job, but every interesting job I encounter asks for a masters degree or experience as a programmer. My question to you: What is your degree? What do you do / did you do as a programmer? How did you get to this point in your career? Do you think it's worth to obtain a masters degree?
KenBonny wrote:
What is your degree?
Computer science.
KenBonny wrote:
What do you do / did you do as a programmer? How did you get to this point in your career?
Honestly, some luck was involved. I started looking at about the right time to catch a good offer. In the current economy, you're going to have a little more trouble, because there's more competition for the good spots. You need to distinguish yourself from the others. If you have personal projects that aren't too embarrassing, put 'em on your resume to show that you're more than just an assembly line CS student.
KenBonny wrote:
Do you think it's worth to obtain a masters degree?
Personally, I don't think so, but it really depends on what you're doing. You don't need a masters to write database front-ends and fancy GUIs. For stuff like that, your degree gets you the first job, and that first job gets you the second.
KenBonny wrote:
I graduated last June and started working a couple of months later. I'm working 4-5 months now
This is your weak point. 4-5 months doesn't look good, even though you seem to have a valid reason for moving on so soon. Unless you can manage to leave on very good terms and get a great reference, you'll have trouble explaining that to a potential employer. No one wants to hire a guy that they think will jump ship less than a year down the road. You can call it a bait-and-switch, but you really don't want to badmouth a former employer, especially when it's your only one.
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels) -
KenBonny wrote:
Do you think it's worth to obtain a masters degree?
Depends on what you want to do. Define "worth"?
KenBonny wrote:
What is your degree?
Classical Music, BM & MM.
KenBonny wrote:
Personally, I hate NAV. It's old, it's clunky, it won't work without a dozen hacks, the development language (C/AL) is limited and frustrating (I'm used to C# from school and personal projects). Now I'm looking for another job, but every interesting job I encounter asks for a masters degree or experience as a programmer.
Of course it sucks. You just graduated. Everyone starts on the bottom. Welcome to Reality 101. Not to sound overly harsh or nasty, but that's the norm. My first programming job sucked, it was at an insurance company maintaining a 20+ year old compiled IBM BASIC system. It takes time to get good. Time, effort and patience.
¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF! Personal 3D projects Just Say No to Web 2 Point Blow
I have to agree with Jim on this one, its taken me 3 different jobs and 10 years to get into a decent job. And looking back my first job sucked.. i thought they couldn't get any lower every month but they did.
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Hello, fellow Projecteers. I've been lurking on here some time now and I think this is the best place to ask my question. I graduated last June and started working a couple of months later. I'm working 4-5 months now as a Dynamics NAV (a.k.a. Navision) developer. Got hired to work out a .NET project, but two weeks into the job my boss says to drop it because it's too expensive for me to work out. He gives me several NAV assignments and wants me to specialize in NAV. Personally, I hate NAV. It's old, it's clunky, it won't work without a dozen hacks, the development language (C/AL) is limited and frustrating (I'm used to C# from school and personal projects). Now I'm looking for another job, but every interesting job I encounter asks for a masters degree or experience as a programmer. My question to you: What is your degree? What do you do / did you do as a programmer? How did you get to this point in your career? Do you think it's worth to obtain a masters degree?
KenBonny wrote:
What is your degree?
BA in Film
KenBonny wrote:
How did you get to this point in your career?
Self taught, learned Windows inside and out. Perseverance. I maintain that nobody can truly be a senior developer with less than seven years solid experience. I also accepted low paying jobs at first. Really low paying. Too many graduates are spoiled into thinking they can start right out with a bang. Some do; we have a guy working for us right now who's still going to school. To be fair, he worked all sorts of crummy jobs at this company before moving onto the team I'm on.
KenBonny wrote:
Do you think it's worth to obtain a masters degree?
(For a CS masters degree in US definition) If you want to go into management, it may pay off. Otherwise, no. The time spent on the degree would be better spent teaching yourself and/or taking specific classes in technologies. As a developer, it will take years to recoup your costs of a post-graduate degree. On the other hand, if you really want to go into management, get an MBA. Not because it's worth anything by itself (it's one of the most useless degrees ever invented) but it impresses higher ups, especially ones with MBAs. One more thing: be very careful about bailing now. The single biggest method to eliminate candidates without a ton of experience is how long they've stayed at a job. If you end up with a few jobs of a few months each, you WILL be unemployable. I've had the misfortune of working for several companies that went under. This has hurt me in getting jobs and in negotiating salaries. (Note to any college students here: My advice is simple--upon graduation find a job at the biggest damn company you find, no matter how loathsome. Forget salary completely and stick with them at least three years and get at least ONE good management reference. While there, take advantage of every continuing education benefit the company offers. Do remember, though, that what this will do is get you in the door for an interview, that's it. You better have actually learned how to do engineering, designing, programming, testing or whatever it is you want to do.)
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Hello, fellow Projecteers. I've been lurking on here some time now and I think this is the best place to ask my question. I graduated last June and started working a couple of months later. I'm working 4-5 months now as a Dynamics NAV (a.k.a. Navision) developer. Got hired to work out a .NET project, but two weeks into the job my boss says to drop it because it's too expensive for me to work out. He gives me several NAV assignments and wants me to specialize in NAV. Personally, I hate NAV. It's old, it's clunky, it won't work without a dozen hacks, the development language (C/AL) is limited and frustrating (I'm used to C# from school and personal projects). Now I'm looking for another job, but every interesting job I encounter asks for a masters degree or experience as a programmer. My question to you: What is your degree? What do you do / did you do as a programmer? How did you get to this point in your career? Do you think it's worth to obtain a masters degree?
What is your degree? Computer Science What do you do / did you do as a programmer? How did you get to this point in your career? Developer for an insurance underwriters - this is my 4th job since leaving uni and the best so far Do you think it's worth to obtain a masters degree? depends on your master plan
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Hello, fellow Projecteers. I've been lurking on here some time now and I think this is the best place to ask my question. I graduated last June and started working a couple of months later. I'm working 4-5 months now as a Dynamics NAV (a.k.a. Navision) developer. Got hired to work out a .NET project, but two weeks into the job my boss says to drop it because it's too expensive for me to work out. He gives me several NAV assignments and wants me to specialize in NAV. Personally, I hate NAV. It's old, it's clunky, it won't work without a dozen hacks, the development language (C/AL) is limited and frustrating (I'm used to C# from school and personal projects). Now I'm looking for another job, but every interesting job I encounter asks for a masters degree or experience as a programmer. My question to you: What is your degree? What do you do / did you do as a programmer? How did you get to this point in your career? Do you think it's worth to obtain a masters degree?
Degree was in physics, and did me no good directly, but was useful to employers as it showed a glimmering of intelligence. I went on to join the Army and ended up as an accountant. A masters would only be of use if you intend to work in the field you have the degree in, but generally experience is worth as much.
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Hello, fellow Projecteers. I've been lurking on here some time now and I think this is the best place to ask my question. I graduated last June and started working a couple of months later. I'm working 4-5 months now as a Dynamics NAV (a.k.a. Navision) developer. Got hired to work out a .NET project, but two weeks into the job my boss says to drop it because it's too expensive for me to work out. He gives me several NAV assignments and wants me to specialize in NAV. Personally, I hate NAV. It's old, it's clunky, it won't work without a dozen hacks, the development language (C/AL) is limited and frustrating (I'm used to C# from school and personal projects). Now I'm looking for another job, but every interesting job I encounter asks for a masters degree or experience as a programmer. My question to you: What is your degree? What do you do / did you do as a programmer? How did you get to this point in your career? Do you think it's worth to obtain a masters degree?
my degree : 37.2 (in the morning) (*) (*) hopefully a french film buff will see the reference. :-D
Watched code never compiles.
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Hello, fellow Projecteers. I've been lurking on here some time now and I think this is the best place to ask my question. I graduated last June and started working a couple of months later. I'm working 4-5 months now as a Dynamics NAV (a.k.a. Navision) developer. Got hired to work out a .NET project, but two weeks into the job my boss says to drop it because it's too expensive for me to work out. He gives me several NAV assignments and wants me to specialize in NAV. Personally, I hate NAV. It's old, it's clunky, it won't work without a dozen hacks, the development language (C/AL) is limited and frustrating (I'm used to C# from school and personal projects). Now I'm looking for another job, but every interesting job I encounter asks for a masters degree or experience as a programmer. My question to you: What is your degree? What do you do / did you do as a programmer? How did you get to this point in your career? Do you think it's worth to obtain a masters degree?
KenBonny wrote:
What is your degree?
Software Engineering, it's like CS, only design is a major aspect of the topics covered.
KenBonny wrote:
What do you do / did you do as a programmer? How did you get to this point in your career?
I'm currently at my first job as a software developer, given I was the first one in house I've been able to influence a lot of the programing practices and impose whatever process actually proves to be useful within the company. Once you take a fifteen minute report and reduce it to fifteen seconds, which they paid a contractor a good amount of money to write you get a lot of latitude. Most of what we do is .net based web applications, managing a call center and the reporting on those activities.
KenBonny wrote:
Do you think it's worth to obtain a masters degree?
Perhaps, but probably not in CS or even SE. The biggest issue I've had in getting software done has been more about actually getting them to say what they want in terms that someone outside of management can understand. I'm fairly good at getting them to draw diagrams, I have a loose business background, but when push comes to shove I find more of the recent custom reporting requests to be completely mystifying as to what purpose they could serve. So I'm seriously considering an masters in business, see if I can get any insight into the mindset I'm dealing with here.
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Hello, fellow Projecteers. I've been lurking on here some time now and I think this is the best place to ask my question. I graduated last June and started working a couple of months later. I'm working 4-5 months now as a Dynamics NAV (a.k.a. Navision) developer. Got hired to work out a .NET project, but two weeks into the job my boss says to drop it because it's too expensive for me to work out. He gives me several NAV assignments and wants me to specialize in NAV. Personally, I hate NAV. It's old, it's clunky, it won't work without a dozen hacks, the development language (C/AL) is limited and frustrating (I'm used to C# from school and personal projects). Now I'm looking for another job, but every interesting job I encounter asks for a masters degree or experience as a programmer. My question to you: What is your degree? What do you do / did you do as a programmer? How did you get to this point in your career? Do you think it's worth to obtain a masters degree?
B.Eng Electronics and Computer Engineering MSc Computer Science I was supposed to have started my PhD but see, there's this thing called life that got in the way :) I've met programmers who have PhDs that aren't worth the ink on their certificates and I've worked with programmers who haven't finished high school who were scary awesome and whom I would have loved to sit at their feet simply to learn. Quite a bit of the second kind are right here on CP. I worked with Microsoft straight out of University (B.Eng only at the time) and after 2 years left them to come back to the Middle East where my family was, then I worked all over. That was 8 years ago almost. Since day one, I've been busting my ass day in and day out. Not every time are you going to get something really cool to work with, something that will really spark your interest, but everyday you will learn something new. You just have to keep at it. I got my Masters degree not for career advancement; I had and still have plans to carry on with my PhD. In fact, I should have been in either Georgia or Missouri last summer. If you're planning on going into research or academia, then yes. If your job requires a fine understanding of the science behind it then yes. If its a matter of finding a job then no. Keep at it, you're still starting new, you'll get your break yet :)
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Hello, fellow Projecteers. I've been lurking on here some time now and I think this is the best place to ask my question. I graduated last June and started working a couple of months later. I'm working 4-5 months now as a Dynamics NAV (a.k.a. Navision) developer. Got hired to work out a .NET project, but two weeks into the job my boss says to drop it because it's too expensive for me to work out. He gives me several NAV assignments and wants me to specialize in NAV. Personally, I hate NAV. It's old, it's clunky, it won't work without a dozen hacks, the development language (C/AL) is limited and frustrating (I'm used to C# from school and personal projects). Now I'm looking for another job, but every interesting job I encounter asks for a masters degree or experience as a programmer. My question to you: What is your degree? What do you do / did you do as a programmer? How did you get to this point in your career? Do you think it's worth to obtain a masters degree?
KenBonny wrote:
Do you think it's worth to obtain a masters degree?
What are your reasons behind doing so? If it's just to increase your prospects of finding a job then, to be blunt, no. Note - this is based on the UK rather than the states. I'm of the opinion that there are too many people entering higher education to obtain not only masters but also bachelor degrees. An example that highlights this is that to work in a garage now you need some form of qualification - what was wrong with doing an apprenticeship? Degrees always used to be earned by the people in the top of their fields - it wasn't something you did after sixth form simply because it was there - you had to be good at what you wanted to do. Even more so for a masters degree and PhDs above that. I might be being overly cynical here considering I'm currently doing a Masters in Electrical and Electronic Engineering but it is the way that I feel. Part of the problem is not the education system but rather the employers. I had a great experience working on a summer placement last summer (I'll be heading back there this summer and hopefully to a job there afterwards if they follow through on their promise) and although I was studying a Masters at Imperial it was the experience I'd gained previously that was more interesting to them - basically the degree got me through HR's screening and was then disregarded. My advice would be to continue looking for alternatives if you want but stick it out and try to learn some stuff while you're there. Keep pushing to introduce new stuff and if it fails you can always use it later on saying that you thought it was the best way to go but management didn't approve it - might earn you some brownie points at an interview. At least if you stick it out then you can show you can work with the worst of them... :-) Trust me - not everyone gets to use the latest shiny toys for writing code. You haven't experienced frustration until you have to work on restricted / classified material. There was one instance where I was working on a network which had no outside connections and needed something to basically monitor a serial port in hex on Linux - there are a few things out there but none really suitable for what I required. I ended up writing a program for it and then suggested to my Project Manager if there was a library of useful utilities / code snippets available to dump it incase someone else wanted it. Although people kept their own libraries
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Hello, fellow Projecteers. I've been lurking on here some time now and I think this is the best place to ask my question. I graduated last June and started working a couple of months later. I'm working 4-5 months now as a Dynamics NAV (a.k.a. Navision) developer. Got hired to work out a .NET project, but two weeks into the job my boss says to drop it because it's too expensive for me to work out. He gives me several NAV assignments and wants me to specialize in NAV. Personally, I hate NAV. It's old, it's clunky, it won't work without a dozen hacks, the development language (C/AL) is limited and frustrating (I'm used to C# from school and personal projects). Now I'm looking for another job, but every interesting job I encounter asks for a masters degree or experience as a programmer. My question to you: What is your degree? What do you do / did you do as a programmer? How did you get to this point in your career? Do you think it's worth to obtain a masters degree?
My degree is in Sociology. I have never had a college level programming class but I have been employed as a programmer for almost a decade now. Most jobs do require experience as a programmer. It gets a lot easier once you have 3-5 years of experience. However, you should still be able to find a junior level programming job. Just keep looking. BTW, since my degree was in Sociology, I started at an entry level Support Position. At that job I learned SQL and Crystal reports, they billed out my time to write custom Crystal Reports. One year later, I was hired as Crystal Report writer. At that job, I went to Learning Tree for a one week class in ASP.Net (VB.Net). I worked at that company for about 3 years. My next position was as an application developer programming ASP.Net VB.Net. At that job we convinced the boss to let us switch to C#. I forced myself to learn C# by only coding in it. After a six months, I couldn't stand VB anymore. After landing another job, they gave me a 10K raise to stay. 3 years later and I am now a senior application developer at a new position. BTW, I had a similar thing happen to me. I got what I thought was a .net job and it turned out to be VB6. So I found another job with in six weeks.
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DavidCrow wrote:
What this would say to me as an employer is that when things get rough or don't go your way, you leave.
There is a different way to look at it. He signed on to do .net work. If his employer wishes to change development process/environment, the OP should be free to leave and I would never hold it against him. Of course if the OP will leave or suck it up is up to him, it's an issue of how soon he can find another .net job vs being unemployed vs staying at a job that he is not happy at. How many of you would start looking for a new job if your were suddenly made to support old VB and classic ASP projects?
I landed what I thought was a .net job. They lied, it was really VB6. I found another position within six weeks.
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This has been discussed *many* times here before, if you do a search you'll find huge discussions on this in the past. If I recall correctly, about half of us think computer science degrees are a joke, the other half think they are essential. You have to ask yourself if you're the sort of person that is fascinated by the technology and tools themselves or more interested in what can be done with them. The people that like to GET THINGS DONE in the real world and don't care too much which tool they use and are not the sort of people who code for fun in their spare time tend to be the practical people that are running their own businesses or have a lot of freedom and independence in their job and very few of them have a degree or if they do see any real value in it in the real world. If, for you, the technology is what is bumming you out about your current job rather than the actual work itself, then it sounds like you fall on the ivory tower side of things in which case by all means go and get your master's degree as I'm sure there is a cubicle somewhere with your name on it just waiting for you where you can sit all day working on 1/9999th of a project in c# all day. ;)
Yesterday they said today was tomorrow but today they know better. - Poul Anderson
John C wrote:
I'm sure there is a cubicle somewhere with your name on it just waiting for you where you can sit all day working on 1/9999th of a project in c# all day
You don't need a masters degree to code C# all day. You just need to get a junior level programming job and move on after a few years. My degree is in Sociology and I've never had a college level computer class.
I didn't get any requirements for the signature
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Hello, fellow Projecteers. I've been lurking on here some time now and I think this is the best place to ask my question. I graduated last June and started working a couple of months later. I'm working 4-5 months now as a Dynamics NAV (a.k.a. Navision) developer. Got hired to work out a .NET project, but two weeks into the job my boss says to drop it because it's too expensive for me to work out. He gives me several NAV assignments and wants me to specialize in NAV. Personally, I hate NAV. It's old, it's clunky, it won't work without a dozen hacks, the development language (C/AL) is limited and frustrating (I'm used to C# from school and personal projects). Now I'm looking for another job, but every interesting job I encounter asks for a masters degree or experience as a programmer. My question to you: What is your degree? What do you do / did you do as a programmer? How did you get to this point in your career? Do you think it's worth to obtain a masters degree?
KenBonny wrote:
What is your degree?
Bachelor's of Science and Master's of Science in Computer Science
KenBonny wrote:
What do you do / did you do as a programmer?
I work as a consultant with my own start up company.
KenBonny wrote:
How did you get to this point in your career?
Experience working in software development shops while pursuing my degrees.
KenBonny wrote:
Do you think it's worth to obtain a masters degree?
It depends on what you define as worth ( time, money, or competitive edge? ) and also what you plan on doing with the Master's Degree.
"The clue train passed his station without stopping." - John Simmons / outlaw programmer "Real programmers just throw a bunch of 1s and 0s at the computer to see what sticks" - Pete O'Hanlon "Not only do you continue to babble nonsense, you can't even correctly remember the nonsense you babbled just minutes ago." - Rob Graham
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Hello, fellow Projecteers. I've been lurking on here some time now and I think this is the best place to ask my question. I graduated last June and started working a couple of months later. I'm working 4-5 months now as a Dynamics NAV (a.k.a. Navision) developer. Got hired to work out a .NET project, but two weeks into the job my boss says to drop it because it's too expensive for me to work out. He gives me several NAV assignments and wants me to specialize in NAV. Personally, I hate NAV. It's old, it's clunky, it won't work without a dozen hacks, the development language (C/AL) is limited and frustrating (I'm used to C# from school and personal projects). Now I'm looking for another job, but every interesting job I encounter asks for a masters degree or experience as a programmer. My question to you: What is your degree? What do you do / did you do as a programmer? How did you get to this point in your career? Do you think it's worth to obtain a masters degree?
My degree is B.S. in Engineering Technology (A.Sc. in Mechanical Engineering Technology) and computers were still in big rooms when I got that degree. I am a DBA at a small company but have done programming for large manufacturer never needing the degree in computer science.