50 Best Sci-Fi TV shows of all time
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ragnaroknrol wrote:
Heroes broke it for me when Sylar began to flip flop more than a politician behind in the polls.
I actually like that... I don't like it when shows decide "Ok, this guy is 100% evil"... In real life, there's no such thing as "good" and "evil". I mean, look at Babylon 5... The "evil" guys were never really "evil"... Just different points of view. They're only "evil" because their views oppose those of the protagonists. It's cool how Sylar keeps jumping around... Sometimes he's just on a killing frenzy, and sometimes he's with the "good guys"... But when he's a "good guy," you're always wondering when he's going to switch sides again and betray them. I call that good writing.
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Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)Ian Shlasko wrote:
I don't like it when shows decide "Ok, this guy is 100% evil"... In real life, there's no such thing as "good" and "evil"
Hitler, Ghengis Khan, Pol Pot, Simon Cowell?
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Its different depending on where you go. http://www.justnews.com/slideshow/entertainment/13277110/detail.html[^] Xena was Sci-Fi? Buffy? The original Start Trek #1? http://www.boston.com/ae/tv/gallery/topscifishows/[^] Tales from the Crypt and Wonder Woman? The Greatest American Hero? So what is the CP top 50? Or maybe just the top 10?
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Its different depending on where you go. http://www.justnews.com/slideshow/entertainment/13277110/detail.html[^] Xena was Sci-Fi? Buffy? The original Start Trek #1? http://www.boston.com/ae/tv/gallery/topscifishows/[^] Tales from the Crypt and Wonder Woman? The Greatest American Hero? So what is the CP top 50? Or maybe just the top 10?
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wheres blakes 7 or quatermass? or red dwarf!!! come to think of it, based on some of these, where is the prisoner? tommorrow people? saffire and steel? joe 90 stingray captain scarlett the clangers - surely they should be top ten
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Ian Shlasko wrote:
I don't like it when shows decide "Ok, this guy is 100% evil"... In real life, there's no such thing as "good" and "evil"
Hitler, Ghengis Khan, Pol Pot, Simon Cowell?
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave
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wheres blakes 7 or quatermass? or red dwarf!!! come to think of it, based on some of these, where is the prisoner? tommorrow people? saffire and steel? joe 90 stingray captain scarlett the clangers - surely they should be top ten
Smile and the world smiles withyou, laugh and they think you are a nutter
Fireball XL5? Supercar? The Survivors? (okay, that was crap) Sadly there are so many and it is so subjective that it's unlikely that any 2 people would agree what should and should not be on the list.
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wheres blakes 7 or quatermass? or red dwarf!!! come to think of it, based on some of these, where is the prisoner? tommorrow people? saffire and steel? joe 90 stingray captain scarlett the clangers - surely they should be top ten
Smile and the world smiles withyou, laugh and they think you are a nutter
Alex hogarth wrote:
red dwarf
Forgot about that one. Good fun.
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Fireball XL5? Supercar? The Survivors? (okay, that was crap) Sadly there are so many and it is so subjective that it's unlikely that any 2 people would agree what should and should not be on the list.
me, me, me "The dinosaurs became extinct because they didn't have a space program. And if we become extinct because we don't have a space program, it'll serve us right!" Larry Niven
digital man wrote:
unlikely that any 2 people would agree
We both don't have to agree, you just have to agree with me ;P
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Not sure who Pol Pot was and I'm sure that Simon Cowell is just on there in jest but... You consider those people evil? I don't so much. Sure they were in-humane but not necesarily evil. In-humane != evil.
Hitler, Ghengis Khan, Pol Pot
kinar wrote:
You consider those people evil? I don't so much.
That has to be the dumbest and most ignorant thing I've read all day. They personify evil in a very real way: they used violence and killing as a means to an end and thought nothing of committing genocide and, apart from everything else they did, killed millions of innocent people. That's not evil? Only form their perspective, perhaps, but not from any sane point of view.
me, me, me "The dinosaurs became extinct because they didn't have a space program. And if we become extinct because we don't have a space program, it'll serve us right!" Larry Niven
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Ian Shlasko wrote:
I don't like it when shows decide "Ok, this guy is 100% evil"... In real life, there's no such thing as "good" and "evil"
Hitler, Ghengis Khan, Pol Pot, Simon Cowell?
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Evil is a matter of perspective. I doubt Hitler thought he was the "bad guy"... He thought he was "purifying" the human race, right? The whole "Aryan nation" garbage? Yeah, from OUR perspective, he was "evil", but really he just had a different point of view... And needed to die a painful death.
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digital man wrote:
unlikely that any 2 people would agree
We both don't have to agree, you just have to agree with me ;P
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Ah, if only, if only... :)
me, me, me "The dinosaurs became extinct because they didn't have a space program. And if we become extinct because we don't have a space program, it'll serve us right!" Larry Niven
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Its different depending on where you go. http://www.justnews.com/slideshow/entertainment/13277110/detail.html[^] Xena was Sci-Fi? Buffy? The original Start Trek #1? http://www.boston.com/ae/tv/gallery/topscifishows/[^] Tales from the Crypt and Wonder Woman? The Greatest American Hero? So what is the CP top 50? Or maybe just the top 10?
I know the language. I've read a book. - _Madmatt
X-Files Sci-fi channel's BSG Six Million Dollar Man
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ragnaroknrol wrote:
Heroes broke it for me when Sylar began to flip flop more than a politician behind in the polls.
I actually like that... I don't like it when shows decide "Ok, this guy is 100% evil"... In real life, there's no such thing as "good" and "evil". I mean, look at Babylon 5... The "evil" guys were never really "evil"... Just different points of view. They're only "evil" because their views oppose those of the protagonists. It's cool how Sylar keeps jumping around... Sometimes he's just on a killing frenzy, and sometimes he's with the "good guys"... But when he's a "good guy," you're always wondering when he's going to switch sides again and betray them. I call that good writing.
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)It wasn't about good or evil. It was about being wishy washy. He had no conviction. If you are going to be a monster, be a damn monster. But wanting to be a good guy, wanting to fix your addiction, embracing it, just being a jerk, being power mad, being the nicest guy around, and then something else wasn't consistent. I don't call it good writing. I call it "the good guys should have spaced him already, may not die, but he can enjoy a trip to mars for a few centuries to get some perspective. Bester was consistent. He did things for the corps. He did things for him. He wanted humanity on top, and psi-cops in charge of humanity when they time was right. Mordin was a self-serving genie. But you knew where he stood. All of the B-5 characters were pretty consistent. You may not have liked them, they may have gone through changes, but when they were there, you knew their motivations and goals. Sylar felt like a lost character looking for a niche because the writers were tired of the niche being "villain." His motivations felt external after the whole "you are brothers" thing. Heck, Mal has some weird honor code yet you never felt like he was doing things capriciously. Even when he was being a complete jerk or killed someone you could figure out why. "Darn."
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Well, I can give you my top 5... 1) Babylon 5 2) Firefly 3) ST: DS9 4) Heroes 5) ST: TNG Would probably have Dr. Who on that list, but I haven't seen much of it.
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Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)Gag, DS9 and TNG blew for the most part. Way too PC. The Borg episodes were reasonably cool though.
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Shows like Buffy (or anything dealin with vamps, warewolves, etc) don't make the list...thats fantasy, not scifi. Shows like Xena, Hercules, etc don't make it cause those are mythology shows, not scifi
kinar wrote:
or anything dealin with vamps, warewolves, etc
Unless the source of said vampires/werewolves is described as failed genetics or bio-warfare experiment, and their "special traits" are explained in scientific terms. Certain zombie movies have achieved this... I think it's been done to some degree with vampires, but no examples come to mind.
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels) -
Its different depending on where you go. http://www.justnews.com/slideshow/entertainment/13277110/detail.html[^] Xena was Sci-Fi? Buffy? The original Start Trek #1? http://www.boston.com/ae/tv/gallery/topscifishows/[^] Tales from the Crypt and Wonder Woman? The Greatest American Hero? So what is the CP top 50? Or maybe just the top 10?
I know the language. I've read a book. - _Madmatt
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kinar wrote:
or anything dealin with vamps, warewolves, etc
Unless the source of said vampires/werewolves is described as failed genetics or bio-warfare experiment, and their "special traits" are explained in scientific terms. Certain zombie movies have achieved this... I think it's been done to some degree with vampires, but no examples come to mind.
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)Ian Shlasko wrote:
I think it's been done to some degree with vampires, but no examples come to mind.
Blade. The hemotologist develops a retrovirus to cure herself of a bite.
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Not sure who Pol Pot was and I'm sure that Simon Cowell is just on there in jest but... You consider those people evil? I don't so much. Sure they were in-humane but not necesarily evil. In-humane != evil.
kinar wrote:
Not sure who Pol Pot was
Leader of the Khymer Rouge in Cambodia from the late 70's. Responsible for killing between 750,000 and 2,000,000 of his own people - all the clever ones he could catch. If we lived under his rule, then every member of this website would be under a death sentence, because we can read. See "The Killing Fields" for an idea of the political ideals of this "gentleman"!
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It wasn't about good or evil. It was about being wishy washy. He had no conviction. If you are going to be a monster, be a damn monster. But wanting to be a good guy, wanting to fix your addiction, embracing it, just being a jerk, being power mad, being the nicest guy around, and then something else wasn't consistent. I don't call it good writing. I call it "the good guys should have spaced him already, may not die, but he can enjoy a trip to mars for a few centuries to get some perspective. Bester was consistent. He did things for the corps. He did things for him. He wanted humanity on top, and psi-cops in charge of humanity when they time was right. Mordin was a self-serving genie. But you knew where he stood. All of the B-5 characters were pretty consistent. You may not have liked them, they may have gone through changes, but when they were there, you knew their motivations and goals. Sylar felt like a lost character looking for a niche because the writers were tired of the niche being "villain." His motivations felt external after the whole "you are brothers" thing. Heck, Mal has some weird honor code yet you never felt like he was doing things capriciously. Even when he was being a complete jerk or killed someone you could figure out why. "Darn."
ragnaroknrol wrote:
It wasn't about good or evil. It was about being wishy washy. He had no conviction. If you are going to be a monster, be a damn monster. But wanting to be a good guy, wanting to fix your addiction, embracing it, just being a jerk, being power mad, being the nicest guy around, and then something else wasn't consistent.
The point is that he's NOT a monster... His power comes with a strong addiction, and he's got an internal conflict... Sometimes he fights the addiction and tries to be normal, and sometimes he just gives into it and goes monster on everyone. Think of him as a borderline skitzo. I DO think the Sylar arc has gone on a little too long, though... Invincible characters just aren't any fun. That's one of the main rules I go by when writing my novels... Even though some of my characters are powerful enough to blow up entire planets, they can still die just like everyone else. At least Claire, despite being invincible, isn't ALSO super-powerful... So she can survive, but can't do much else.
ragnaroknrol wrote:
All of the B-5 characters were pretty consistent. You may not have liked them, they may have gone through changes, but when they were there, you knew their motivations and goals. Sylar felt like a lost character looking for a niche because the writers were tired of the niche being "villain." His motivations felt external after the whole "you are brothers" thing.
Ok, I admit, the "brothers" phase was a bit silly, and was really a low point for the writing. He went along with that way too easily.
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Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels) -
now your being silly
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ragnaroknrol wrote:
It wasn't about good or evil. It was about being wishy washy. He had no conviction. If you are going to be a monster, be a damn monster. But wanting to be a good guy, wanting to fix your addiction, embracing it, just being a jerk, being power mad, being the nicest guy around, and then something else wasn't consistent.
The point is that he's NOT a monster... His power comes with a strong addiction, and he's got an internal conflict... Sometimes he fights the addiction and tries to be normal, and sometimes he just gives into it and goes monster on everyone. Think of him as a borderline skitzo. I DO think the Sylar arc has gone on a little too long, though... Invincible characters just aren't any fun. That's one of the main rules I go by when writing my novels... Even though some of my characters are powerful enough to blow up entire planets, they can still die just like everyone else. At least Claire, despite being invincible, isn't ALSO super-powerful... So she can survive, but can't do much else.
ragnaroknrol wrote:
All of the B-5 characters were pretty consistent. You may not have liked them, they may have gone through changes, but when they were there, you knew their motivations and goals. Sylar felt like a lost character looking for a niche because the writers were tired of the niche being "villain." His motivations felt external after the whole "you are brothers" thing.
Ok, I admit, the "brothers" phase was a bit silly, and was really a low point for the writing. He went along with that way too easily.
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)I just stopped caring at that point and we lost interest. They could have turned the show around, but at that point we had a scientist that was the fly and now working as a bad guy, Hiro's best friend was probably going to be a bad guy, 2 invincible bad guys with ridiculous powers aside from that, and arguable the most powerful person had been stripped of his powers in a dues ex machina move by a guy that was one of those invincible bad guys. It had just gotten annoying. As for the monster thing: I liked him that way. Humanizing someone that left a trail of bodies with skulls cracked open wasn't exactly going to work. Him being a victim of his powers just seemed to easy an excuse to forgive a guy that was hunting children occasionally.
