50 Best Sci-Fi TV shows of all time
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Its different depending on where you go. http://www.justnews.com/slideshow/entertainment/13277110/detail.html[^] Xena was Sci-Fi? Buffy? The original Start Trek #1? http://www.boston.com/ae/tv/gallery/topscifishows/[^] Tales from the Crypt and Wonder Woman? The Greatest American Hero? So what is the CP top 50? Or maybe just the top 10?
I know the language. I've read a book. - _Madmatt
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Well, I can give you my top 5... 1) Babylon 5 2) Firefly 3) ST: DS9 4) Heroes 5) ST: TNG Would probably have Dr. Who on that list, but I haven't seen much of it.
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Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)I like the oldies: 1. Twighlight Zone 2. Star Trek (of course) 3. Dr Who (the older ones) I used to like Battle Star Galactica but when I watch it now I have to laugh... By the way, you gotta love how these threads start out with one topic and morph into something totally unrelated. How did a SciFi discussion turn into a discussion about "Good and Evil"?
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Its different depending on where you go. http://www.justnews.com/slideshow/entertainment/13277110/detail.html[^] Xena was Sci-Fi? Buffy? The original Start Trek #1? http://www.boston.com/ae/tv/gallery/topscifishows/[^] Tales from the Crypt and Wonder Woman? The Greatest American Hero? So what is the CP top 50? Or maybe just the top 10?
I know the language. I've read a book. - _Madmatt
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digital man wrote:
kinar wrote: Just because someone perpetrates evil acts doesn't mean that those people are necesarily evil. That makes no sense.
Since we're on a WWII kick... In 1945, the US nuked Hiroshima and Nagasaki, basically obliterating two cities. Why? To end the war and prevent the greater loss of life that would have resulted from a full invasion. Does that make the US an "Evil Empire," like some radicals call us? We did a horrible thing, causing a large amount of pain and suffering for a lot of people, but we did it for what we thought was a good reason. Maybe it was, maybe it wasn't, but the act itself was still "evil." History still considers us to be the good guys.
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Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)Maybe it was, maybe it wasn't, but the act itself was still "evil." I don't how anyone can argue with Ian. You are 100% correct, killing innocent people (men, women and children) and causing pain and suffering for generations to come cannot be classified as anything but evil. I don't understand why Americans (Of which I am) think that everything they do is justified and everything everyone else does is wrong. Webster's explanation of evil: 1 a : morally reprehensible : sinful, wicked <an evil impulse> b : arising from actual or imputed bad character or conduct <a person of evil reputation> 2 a archaic : inferior b : causing discomfort or repulsion : offensive <an evil odor> c : disagreeable <woke late and in an evil temper> 3 a : causing harm : pernicious <the evil institution of slavery> b : marked by misfortune :
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Ian Shlasko wrote:
I don't like it when shows decide "Ok, this guy is 100% evil"... In real life, there's no such thing as "good" and "evil"
Hitler, Ghengis Khan, Pol Pot, Simon Cowell?
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave
I have read all of the other posts, down to Mr. Crafton's very astute observation: "Sorry to call bullsh*t on this!". That put the punctuation on this topic for me. I am sorry to read some of the opinions that I have seen here. They sting. I am already sorry for posting this, but the hindsight that I am seeing employed here is such a luxury. A luxury, I am compelled to point out, that has been afforded to you by "evil" young men from America, doing nasty business in unpleasant places. I am so very grateful to all of the "evil" Americans. I am grateful to those Americans that have pulled triggers everywhere on this planet where other "evil" folks were enslaving their populations, invading their neighbors, murdering in the name of purity or religion or politics. Thank you, you "evil" American soldier. My favorite SF show was a 1960 TV production of Night of the Auk. Not the acting or the production, but the story.
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Well, I can give you my top 5... 1) Babylon 5 2) Firefly 3) ST: DS9 4) Heroes 5) ST: TNG Would probably have Dr. Who on that list, but I haven't seen much of it.
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)Heroes? Seriously? The writers of heroes have shown utter contempt for the audience and dizzying heights of sheer laziness. They constantly use lazy writing tricks to invalidate everything that they've written before. It's easily the most lazy and contemptuous writing of any tv show in the history of television.
Yesterday they said today was tomorrow but today they know better. - Poul Anderson
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Heh...classic interwebs argument. IMO, much like your post was your opinnion, an evil person is someone who takes pleasure in evil acts. Just because someone perpetrates evil acts doesn't mean that those people are necesarily evil. I don't discount the possiblity that those people were evil. But I don't look at history and make that judgement either. Hitler wasn't killing Jews because he enjoyed killing jews. He did it because he thought he was creating a better world by eliminating what he saw as a problem. That doesn't sound too evil to me. Ghengis Khan existed in a completely different world. In his world, what he did wasn't even considered immoral, let alone evil. It is very easy to look back at history and decide, based upon current world assumptions, what was good and what was evil. Because we are now "civilized", we consider killing things evil. Well guess what, there is evidence to suggest that we are outgrowing our planet and the lack of killing things is causing global warming and the lack of natural resources. We very well might look back in 100-500 years and see that the actions of entire populations of the 20th and 21st centuries were "evil" because we wiped out most of our population. Of course I am not advocating genocide here, I'm simply not about to judge someone as evil just because I don't agree with thier actions...especially when I really don't know why or under what circumstances they performed those actions. Doing so would be ignorant.
kinar wrote:
Hitler wasn't killing Jews because he enjoyed killing jews.
*facepalm* Read Mein Kampf, or as much of it as you can stand. He most certainly enjoyed killing Jews - he said so many times, and then made an industry of it. I mean, seriously, how much more proof do you need? This has to be one of the most surreal conversation I've ever seen on CP. Are we really entertaining the idea that Hitler, the man who killed 6 million Jews, 10(?) million others, and started a war that took millions (20, 50 million?) more lives, was not evil? If you*, like me, find it scary that this kind of moral relativism is running rampant in the world today, consider this: it is exactly the philosophical cancer that primed the German people to carry out the horrors in Germany in the 40's.
kinar wrote:
Of course I am not advocating genocide here, I'm simply not about to judge someone as evil just because I don't agree with thier actions...especially when I really don't know why or under what circumstances they performed those actions. Doing so would be ignorant.
If you can honestly entertain the idea that there exists a valid reason to murder millions of innocent people, then you are truly a dangerous person. (*referring to the reader - the person I quoted is *way* too far gone to be reasoned with.)
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Just to bring in one of Ian's arguments to your claim... Would you consider Harry S Truman, the 33th President of the USA, evil? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_bombings_of_Hiroshima_and_Nagasaki[^] Of course your post mentioned millions and Mr Truman only killed 150,000-250,000 (mostly innocents) in a matter of days so maybe he doesn't qualify as evil? If not, at what point does killing innocents become evil?
A body of people is always responsible for what their leaders do, by virtue of the fact that they outnumber the leaders, hundreds of thousands to one. The Japanese let their rulers start a war with the US - to call them innocent is to twist the facts, and to equate the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki to Hitler murdering millions of his own people based on arbitrary criteria (i.e. being Jewish) is obscene.
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Its different depending on where you go. http://www.justnews.com/slideshow/entertainment/13277110/detail.html[^] Xena was Sci-Fi? Buffy? The original Start Trek #1? http://www.boston.com/ae/tv/gallery/topscifishows/[^] Tales from the Crypt and Wonder Woman? The Greatest American Hero? So what is the CP top 50? Or maybe just the top 10?
I know the language. I've read a book. - _Madmatt
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are you saying US is being the good guy by killing thousands of innocent people in those cities and destroyed the life of thousands more with the radioactive side effects? well dats surely evil to me... pure evil... you dont go killing innocent people and call yourself a good guy... are you sure the USA didnt start the war? in face USA and Europe started the war long before dat when they invade Asia countries and made it their own... this is the same as what Japan did... they invade the Asia countries to put them all under one flag... so US and others are as evil as Japan itself if u look at it... u are saying USA bomb the two cities to stop the war... why dont they just bomb the army camp only and leave the innocent people alone... army are meant to go to war and civilians are just civilians... i think they have evil deep down in their heart...
While in fact FDR did want to get the US involved in WW2 because of the threat that Germany posed in Europe, that in no way implicates the US as a perpetrator. Before WW2, the US had no interest in becoming a world leader and most of the citizen resisted efforts to become involved feeling that WW2 was not our war. Had Japan not attacked Pearl Harbor the US likely would have entered WW2 in a limited way, probably only assisting in the elimination of Hitler in Europe. You must remember that at the time, the US knew nothing of the genocide that was being done by Hitler and had even fewer concerns about the Japanese expansion. As for the Japanese army, they were tenacious in the defense of their territories. A full scale invasion of the Japanese island likely would have resulted in a long protracted war. Even when the first atomic bomb was dropped, the leaders could have ended hostilities, but it wasn't until the second bomb was dropped that the Japanese surrendered. The rest of what you said is drivel and bears no relationship to anything historical at the time in question.
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Its different depending on where you go. http://www.justnews.com/slideshow/entertainment/13277110/detail.html[^] Xena was Sci-Fi? Buffy? The original Start Trek #1? http://www.boston.com/ae/tv/gallery/topscifishows/[^] Tales from the Crypt and Wonder Woman? The Greatest American Hero? So what is the CP top 50? Or maybe just the top 10?
I know the language. I've read a book. - _Madmatt
* Dr. Who (The original incarnation carries the weight on this one. Looking forward to the non-Russel T. era) * DS9 * Farscape (Each episode rocked, but the series was too short) * Hitchhiker's Guide (BBC Version) * TNG * Aeon Flux * Incredible Hulk * (Any Gilligan's Island episode resolved by an invention of the professor's.)
Hey! Where's Perry?