Would you take a "false" promotion?
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That's not a promotion; that's merely someone who is shifting with responsibilities. There's the question "why" these responsibilities need to shift, and the question why they think that you're going to do something extra without any form of compensation therefore. How would this person feel if you asked for more salary without doing any extra work? :)
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What's wrong with that? Senior executives makes much more just making decision - that's the extra work?
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devvvy wrote:
What's wrong with that? Senior executives makes much more just making decision - that's the extra work?
The question was about getting more responsibility; it implied no extra influence. There's also a slight difference in the perception of the workload on those decisions. Someone might be thinking that they're doing you a favor if you get to choose - not realising that the decision requires arguments and extra documentation. The point I'm making is that it is work that they're handing out, not just influence.
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But this is such normal practice. It's the norm of businesses, how they operate. Just like the bullshit with Multi-tasking (aka Many-Tasking) Your boss must be thinking you have very limited social intelligence to accept an "Offer" such as this.
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devvvy wrote:
What's wrong with that? Senior executives makes much more just making decision - that's the extra work?
The question was about getting more responsibility; it implied no extra influence. There's also a slight difference in the perception of the workload on those decisions. Someone might be thinking that they're doing you a favor if you get to choose - not realising that the decision requires arguments and extra documentation. The point I'm making is that it is work that they're handing out, not just influence.
I are Troll :suss:
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Roger Wright wrote:
still in school. No authority, less pay
You were still better off than me. I was never paid in school. :)
I had no choice in the matter. If I didn't work, I couldn't go to school. ;P
"A Journey of a Thousand Rest Stops Begins with a Single Movement"
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Would you take a "false" promotion? i.e. one without a raise, or without increment corresponding title or without relevant authority to fire/hire/review salary/appraisal All there is is responsiblity to "look after" the new unit, and "be responsible"? I've seen so many powerless team leads and unit managers that such arrangement seems to be quite standard these days.
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As others say, do you have a choice? If its work you'd like to do; or could lead to something you think is better (pay and our authority) after proving yourself, why not? Get an agreement about what it would take to get what you want. Note if you're "responsible", you want some way to get your decisions enforced through your authority or management backup...
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Would you take a "false" promotion? i.e. one without a raise, or without increment corresponding title or without relevant authority to fire/hire/review salary/appraisal All there is is responsiblity to "look after" the new unit, and "be responsible"? I've seen so many powerless team leads and unit managers that such arrangement seems to be quite standard these days.
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I would take on the extra work. Then with a year of that experience, I'd apply to other leadership positions at other places, and tell them you have over a year experiences in managment at your current job. I personally find it hard to get a promotion at a certain location. I usually do a lot of job hopping to get what I want. People always say that looks bad on your resume, but that hasn't stopped me from moving around so far and I make well more than people back at my first job that had been working for the department for over 15 years.
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Would you take a "false" promotion? i.e. one without a raise, or without increment corresponding title or without relevant authority to fire/hire/review salary/appraisal All there is is responsiblity to "look after" the new unit, and "be responsible"? I've seen so many powerless team leads and unit managers that such arrangement seems to be quite standard these days.
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Never forget the scapegoat possibility. Should the project fail, they'll need someone (here's looking at YOU, kid) to fall on a sword. I've worked at more than one place that had a "always have a scapegoat in waiting" policy. Especially at companies where witch hunting is their favorite sport.
Psychosis at 10 Film at 11
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Would you take a "false" promotion? i.e. one without a raise, or without increment corresponding title or without relevant authority to fire/hire/review salary/appraisal All there is is responsiblity to "look after" the new unit, and "be responsible"? I've seen so many powerless team leads and unit managers that such arrangement seems to be quite standard these days.
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This is uncanny! Twice already in the past two weeks people have tried to convince me that 10 minus 2 equals 11. My situation is pretty much blatantly a battle of wits or more accurately, battle of the witless. I was offered a position with a 5% raise, and when given the salary details, determined it was a 10% drop in pay. Repeated communication with the company just resulted with them confirming it was a promotion. Who would want to work for a company which is either 1) confused, or 2) deceptive? I just said NO... Then today, I was going over my statement with my bank, and the conversation went something like this: Me, "I'm being charged $300 interest." Bank, "No, it shows here you are only being charged $80 interest" Me, "Okay, my previous balance was $1,000" Bank, "Uh huh." Me, "My payment was $400." Bank, "Uh huh." Me, "And now my balance is how much?" Bank, "$900." Me, "Okay, and that's a difference of how much?" Bank, "Uh... Hold on." Needless to say, sometimes people see something on their computer screen and it becomes like a scene from that movie The Invention Of Lying, they believe the screen over basic math. Their brain no longer needs to perform functions such as addition and subtraction. Scary world we live in. And this is non-fiction!!!
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This is uncanny! Twice already in the past two weeks people have tried to convince me that 10 minus 2 equals 11. My situation is pretty much blatantly a battle of wits or more accurately, battle of the witless. I was offered a position with a 5% raise, and when given the salary details, determined it was a 10% drop in pay. Repeated communication with the company just resulted with them confirming it was a promotion. Who would want to work for a company which is either 1) confused, or 2) deceptive? I just said NO... Then today, I was going over my statement with my bank, and the conversation went something like this: Me, "I'm being charged $300 interest." Bank, "No, it shows here you are only being charged $80 interest" Me, "Okay, my previous balance was $1,000" Bank, "Uh huh." Me, "My payment was $400." Bank, "Uh huh." Me, "And now my balance is how much?" Bank, "$900." Me, "Okay, and that's a difference of how much?" Bank, "Uh... Hold on." Needless to say, sometimes people see something on their computer screen and it becomes like a scene from that movie The Invention Of Lying, they believe the screen over basic math. Their brain no longer needs to perform functions such as addition and subtraction. Scary world we live in. And this is non-fiction!!!
Last week I attempted to buy some milk from a supermarket chain and was told, "sorry, I can't sell you this milk because it is passed its use-by date." A look at the date on the bottle revealed it still had 3 days left before it would expire. After pointing this out to the cashier, she scanned it again and told me the same thing. It took 10 minutes to find someone in the store who would over-ride the system and sell me the milk! I guess even the greatest new technology (it's a good idea, in theory) is still only as good as the humans using it.
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Management has nothing to do with it?
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They probably couldn't handle it.
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They probably couldn't handle it.
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I would take on the extra work. Then with a year of that experience, I'd apply to other leadership positions at other places, and tell them you have over a year experiences in managment at your current job. I personally find it hard to get a promotion at a certain location. I usually do a lot of job hopping to get what I want. People always say that looks bad on your resume, but that hasn't stopped me from moving around so far and I make well more than people back at my first job that had been working for the department for over 15 years.
I agree with this answer. particularly if you are young. With smaller IT departments and an excess of middle management in a shaky world economy it becomes difficult to advance your career past a certain point. Build up your skills, update your resume, and move on when you reach a limit at your current employer. I have many friends who are trapped at their jobs because they became comfortable and sat on their existing skills. Now those skills are no longer in demand, their current employer is replacing old technology, and they have no place to go. I personally had this problem after the .com crash ~2000-2001. I realized I was working with a dying technology (Progress database) and wanted to make a transition to .NET. The problem was I had very little experience and the market was flooded with ex .comers. It took me several years to make the transition and now I am a .NET developer with a great job market. Bottom line, if you think you can benefit in the short term by developing new skills and adding to your resume you should go for it. It may pay off in the long term. You might also ask for leadership training in exchange for taking the promotion. See if you can find a way to make it a win for you.