Would you take a "false" promotion?
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devvvy wrote:
Would you take a "false" promotion?
Do you have a choice? The only other choice you have is to look for a different job.
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Sounds like marriage. All the responsibility, and none of the authority! ;) Marc
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Would you take a "false" promotion? i.e. one without a raise, or without increment corresponding title or without relevant authority to fire/hire/review salary/appraisal All there is is responsiblity to "look after" the new unit, and "be responsible"? I've seen so many powerless team leads and unit managers that such arrangement seems to be quite standard these days.
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"Of course, it's all about Team Work" - another standard corporate bullshxt invented by ladies in HR
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couldn't agree more. When I think of their IQ(the HR laddies)... it makes me wanna throw a
System.Terrorright on their computers. But i would have to undo it :( [added] But then again they are paid to be calm, polite, and to smile while fireing some poor guys/gals .... Hate them. I really do. Can't stand them. :mad: From the heart of my bottom :) [/added]modified on Sunday, April 11, 2010 5:27 AM
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It's nothing new. I was appointed "technical coordinator" (aka, lead engineer) for a group of 8 engineers while I was still in school. No authority, less pay than the rest, and all the responsibility for maikng the project work. That was over 30 years ago, and kids are still falling for it. :laugh:
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Would you take a "false" promotion? i.e. one without a raise, or without increment corresponding title or without relevant authority to fire/hire/review salary/appraisal All there is is responsiblity to "look after" the new unit, and "be responsible"? I've seen so many powerless team leads and unit managers that such arrangement seems to be quite standard these days.
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I'd keep my eye open for a job somewhere else. A company that does that doesn't inspire loyalty from me.
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Would you take a "false" promotion? i.e. one without a raise, or without increment corresponding title or without relevant authority to fire/hire/review salary/appraisal All there is is responsiblity to "look after" the new unit, and "be responsible"? I've seen so many powerless team leads and unit managers that such arrangement seems to be quite standard these days.
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That's not a promotion; that's merely someone who is shifting with responsibilities. There's the question "why" these responsibilities need to shift, and the question why they think that you're going to do something extra without any form of compensation therefore. How would this person feel if you asked for more salary without doing any extra work? :)
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That's not a promotion; that's merely someone who is shifting with responsibilities. There's the question "why" these responsibilities need to shift, and the question why they think that you're going to do something extra without any form of compensation therefore. How would this person feel if you asked for more salary without doing any extra work? :)
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What's wrong with that? Senior executives makes much more just making decision - that's the extra work?
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devvvy wrote:
What's wrong with that? Senior executives makes much more just making decision - that's the extra work?
The question was about getting more responsibility; it implied no extra influence. There's also a slight difference in the perception of the workload on those decisions. Someone might be thinking that they're doing you a favor if you get to choose - not realising that the decision requires arguments and extra documentation. The point I'm making is that it is work that they're handing out, not just influence.
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But this is such normal practice. It's the norm of businesses, how they operate. Just like the bullshit with Multi-tasking (aka Many-Tasking) Your boss must be thinking you have very limited social intelligence to accept an "Offer" such as this.
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devvvy wrote:
What's wrong with that? Senior executives makes much more just making decision - that's the extra work?
The question was about getting more responsibility; it implied no extra influence. There's also a slight difference in the perception of the workload on those decisions. Someone might be thinking that they're doing you a favor if you get to choose - not realising that the decision requires arguments and extra documentation. The point I'm making is that it is work that they're handing out, not just influence.
I are Troll :suss:
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Roger Wright wrote:
still in school. No authority, less pay
You were still better off than me. I was never paid in school. :)
I had no choice in the matter. If I didn't work, I couldn't go to school. ;P
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Would you take a "false" promotion? i.e. one without a raise, or without increment corresponding title or without relevant authority to fire/hire/review salary/appraisal All there is is responsiblity to "look after" the new unit, and "be responsible"? I've seen so many powerless team leads and unit managers that such arrangement seems to be quite standard these days.
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As others say, do you have a choice? If its work you'd like to do; or could lead to something you think is better (pay and our authority) after proving yourself, why not? Get an agreement about what it would take to get what you want. Note if you're "responsible", you want some way to get your decisions enforced through your authority or management backup...
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Would you take a "false" promotion? i.e. one without a raise, or without increment corresponding title or without relevant authority to fire/hire/review salary/appraisal All there is is responsiblity to "look after" the new unit, and "be responsible"? I've seen so many powerless team leads and unit managers that such arrangement seems to be quite standard these days.
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I would take on the extra work. Then with a year of that experience, I'd apply to other leadership positions at other places, and tell them you have over a year experiences in managment at your current job. I personally find it hard to get a promotion at a certain location. I usually do a lot of job hopping to get what I want. People always say that looks bad on your resume, but that hasn't stopped me from moving around so far and I make well more than people back at my first job that had been working for the department for over 15 years.
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Would you take a "false" promotion? i.e. one without a raise, or without increment corresponding title or without relevant authority to fire/hire/review salary/appraisal All there is is responsiblity to "look after" the new unit, and "be responsible"? I've seen so many powerless team leads and unit managers that such arrangement seems to be quite standard these days.
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Never forget the scapegoat possibility. Should the project fail, they'll need someone (here's looking at YOU, kid) to fall on a sword. I've worked at more than one place that had a "always have a scapegoat in waiting" policy. Especially at companies where witch hunting is their favorite sport.
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Would you take a "false" promotion? i.e. one without a raise, or without increment corresponding title or without relevant authority to fire/hire/review salary/appraisal All there is is responsiblity to "look after" the new unit, and "be responsible"? I've seen so many powerless team leads and unit managers that such arrangement seems to be quite standard these days.
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This is uncanny! Twice already in the past two weeks people have tried to convince me that 10 minus 2 equals 11. My situation is pretty much blatantly a battle of wits or more accurately, battle of the witless. I was offered a position with a 5% raise, and when given the salary details, determined it was a 10% drop in pay. Repeated communication with the company just resulted with them confirming it was a promotion. Who would want to work for a company which is either 1) confused, or 2) deceptive? I just said NO... Then today, I was going over my statement with my bank, and the conversation went something like this: Me, "I'm being charged $300 interest." Bank, "No, it shows here you are only being charged $80 interest" Me, "Okay, my previous balance was $1,000" Bank, "Uh huh." Me, "My payment was $400." Bank, "Uh huh." Me, "And now my balance is how much?" Bank, "$900." Me, "Okay, and that's a difference of how much?" Bank, "Uh... Hold on." Needless to say, sometimes people see something on their computer screen and it becomes like a scene from that movie The Invention Of Lying, they believe the screen over basic math. Their brain no longer needs to perform functions such as addition and subtraction. Scary world we live in. And this is non-fiction!!!